Norway Pavilion Frozen construction - Frozen Ever After ride

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marni1971

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Doesn't that cut into the engineered berm that helps hid the outside world? Although I did read somewhere it was intentional for guests to be able to see the Contemporary and Monorail from Tomorroland.
Every area except Tomorrowland south would have enough room to ensure any new berm was intact. Tland souths view was indeed intentionally left open across to the Contemproary - something the damn stage makes every effort to ruin. The proposal I saw for using this plot was a show building who's entrance was between the CoP and skyway. The building itself was beyond the railroad and would in effect become a new berm. Let me post this again:

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ToTBellHop

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Every area except Tomorrowland south would have enough room to ensure any new berm was intact. Tland souths view was indeed intentionally left open across to the Contemproary - something the damn stage makes every effort to ruin. The proposal I saw for using this plot was a show building who's entrance was between the CoP and skyway. The building itself was beyond the railroad and would in effect become a new berm. Let me post this again:

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Never knew Cosmic Ray's used to be Tomorrowland Terrace and Tomorrowland Terrace was Plaza Pavilion. Interesting! Was Cosmic Ray's introduced with the 1990s refurb?
 

*Q*

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Every area except Tomorrowland south would have enough room to ensure any new berm was intact. Tland souths view was indeed intentionally left open across to the Contemproary - something the damn stage makes every effort to ruin. The proposal I saw for using this plot was a show building who's entrance was between the CoP and skyway. The building itself was beyond the railroad and would in effect become a new berm. Let me post this again:

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Apologies if you have explained this in the past, but that diagram seems to indicate a PeopleMover expansion over the RaceWay? And some sort of adjoining structures near Space Mountain?
 

Cesar R M

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Apologies if you have explained this in the past, but that diagram seems to indicate a PeopleMover expansion over the RaceWay? And some sort of adjoining structures near Space Mountain?
I wonder the same, thats a big increase in track.
 

marni1971

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Apologies if you have explained this in the past, but that diagram seems to indicate a PeopleMover expansion over the RaceWay? And some sort of adjoining structures near Space Mountain?
Yep. Plans and proposals that never happened.

The Peoplemover was a bit outlandish, having a route similar to the original 1970-1 plans. Show buildings next to the skyway and also 20k. What could have been a dining building by Space Mountain and the planned but scrapped Tomorowland railroad station

The strange thing is this is from 1980, when the WEDway had been up and running for 5 years.
 

MerlinTheGoat

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Apart from behind fantasyland they are indeed designated expansion areas.
Just for clarification, I realize that only certain pieces of land have been officially designated for expansion (the ones you posted about above). But are any of the other areas I marked in red (besides the Tomorrowland plot) actually possible to expand on at all? I am certain that major work would be needed to get a lot of that land ready for expansion if possible (such as re-routing retention ponds and such), but that's a ton of land there that i'm curious about.

I've only seen these pieces of land being addressed regarding fan-generated layouts (such as Randy Savage's ideas), it would be nice to know just how possible actually using them would be if Disney actually wanted to expand.
 
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marni1971

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Just for clarification, I realize that only certain pieces of land have been officially designated for expansion (the ones you posted about above). But are any of the other areas I marked in red (besides the Tomorrowland plot) actually possible to expand on at all?
If you like, maybe start a thread in general discussion? This thread is veering off topic again :)

Then maybe Steve can kindly move posts 1965 to this one into it.
 

Next Big Thing

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Ha...you greatly overestimate the construction speed of those under contract with Disney.

"Slow down, there's no rush" is their mantra.
They go slow because they are ordered to go slow. Spread costs.

But if they really want to get something up and built they can do it in a reasonable time. Normally there's just no sense of urgency with Disney because.... well, people are always going to come.
 

MerlinTheGoat

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They go slow because they are ordered to go slow. Spread costs.

But if they really want to get something up and built they can do it in a reasonable time. Normally there's just no sense of urgency with Disney because.... well, people are always going to come.
I think it's actually both issues- that they are ordered to go slow AND that they are simply slow at building compared to the past. Shanghai is struggling along and has failed to meet the deadline already for instance.
 
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