Norway Pavilion Frozen construction - Frozen Ever After ride

[ToTBellHop]

that definitively looks like a full exterior redo

I've seen them put up that kind of scaffolding for repainting and replacement of rot (like Country Bears or Main Street). I think a full demo would require the walls be even further back.

 

[danlb_2000]

I've seen them put up that kind of scaffolding for repainting and replacement of rot (like Country Bears or Main Street). I think a full demo would require the walls be even further back.

Exactly, I don't think they would be able to do major demolition with this configuration.

 

[fngoofy]

As the toonification continues, that jarring thematic changes from outside to inside will be more stark. The example next door in Mexico is a weird and unwelcome mess. Going from a gorgeously themed building inside and out, to a cartoon screen presentation boat ride....hey wait.... that's the new formula.... Nice execution outside, cartoon head snap inside. {sarcasm} Marvelous imagineering and excellent animation truly representing a country and it's people. {/sacrsm}
*1023*

You can't complain about cartoon characters being anywhere in WDW, you just can't. They tried that in EPCOT back in the day and people did not like it.
If you are wanting some culture, architecture, and experiences that have less cartoon flavor to them, might I suggest going to NORWAY.
justsayinzall

 

[wm49rs]

You can't complain about cartoon characters being anywhere in WDW, you just can't. They tried that in EPCOT back in the day and people did not like it.
If you are wanting some culture, architecture, and experiences that have less cartoon flavor to them, might I suggest going to NORWAY.
justsayinzall

He wasn't talking about anywhere in WDW; he was speaking to EP specifically. And perhaps instead of continuing down this road, TWDC could build a proper land for Frozen and other IPs, instead of (as this case) cramming it and the accompanying M&G building into the land that "inspired" the film. I'm just saying....

 

[Cesar R M]

I've seen them put up that kind of scaffolding for repainting and replacement of rot (like Country Bears or Main Street). I think a full demo would require the walls be even further back.

I didn't mean a full "demolition".
full redo as in changing most of the facade looks could be done by changing details, changing paint, blocking windows.. oropening windows.
kinda reminds me of the main street repairs.

 

[aladdin2007]

I wouldn't be surprised to see a whole new entrance configuration, meaning the original doors will be gone and that whole front entirely redone with new doors and placement, some of this may also have to do without queue configuration and working inside extending outside for work space etc. Was there today and that scaffolding goes up pretty high, I'd like to just say its only a paint job, but I think its more involved than that. With all that being said Norwegian theme is still supposed to be maintained on the outside. will see.

Personally Im concerned the viking boats will come back with flowers painted all over them etc.

But wondering more now if the waterfall will be entirely scrapped, they have had issues with it for awhile now and this may be their chance. Would hate to see that happen, martin? anyone else? Is that entirely out in left field or not so much? Does the flume track really require that waterfall area?

 

[danlb_2000]

http://orlparkpass.com/2015/11/epcot-helicopter-photo-update/

 

[RSoxNo1]

You can't complain about cartoon characters being anywhere in WDW, you just can't. They tried that in EPCOT back in the day and people did not like it.
If you are wanting some culture, architecture, and experiences that have less cartoon flavor to them, might I suggest going to NORWAY.
justsayinzall

I'm willing to accept characters in appropriate country garb in World Showcase as walk around characters. When they're put in attractions that's more jarring.

 

[roj2323]

http://orlparkpass.com/2015/11/epcot-helicopter-photo-update/

I wonder what the stand offs on the roof are for.. There seems to be quite a few of them.

 

[fngoofy]

He wasn't talking about anywhere in WDW; he was speaking to EP specifically. And perhaps instead of continuing down this road, TWDC could build a proper land for Frozen and other IPs, instead of (as this case) cramming it and the accompanying M&G building into the land that "inspired" the film. I'm just saying....

Well, Norway did "inspire" the film's look and feel (the Stave Church is filled with a presentation on just that.)
Also, I don't know that we need a whole land devoted to Frozen, and a land full of just a mishmash of IP would not be a good solution either.
I was referring to EPCOT when I mentioned that they tried not having characters before and most complained.
Seriously though, I for one want to see Remy in France, Mary Poppins in UK, the 3 Caballeros in Mexico, etc. I like seeing both cultural representations of the country and having it spiced up with other attractions using appropriate characters.

AND

I know that Disney does lots and lots of research. You are welcome to your opinion, but you can be pretty sure that you are in the minority based on the research they have conducted.

 

[unkadug]

I wonder what the stand offs on the roof are for.. There seems to be quite a few of them.

Plumbing vent pipes?
Lots of toilets?

 

[NearTheEars]

Well, Norway did "inspire" the film's look and feel (the Stave Church is filled with a presentation on just that.)
Also, I don't know that we need a whole land devoted to Frozen, and a land full of just a mishmash of IP would not be a good solution either.
I was referring to EPCOT when I mentioned that they tried not having characters before and most complained.
Seriously though, I for one want to see Remy in France, Mary Poppins in UK, the 3 Caballeros in Mexico, etc. I like seeing both cultural representations of the country and having it spiced up with other attractions using appropriate characters.

AND

I know that Disney does lots and lots of research. You are welcome to your opinion, but you can be pretty sure that you are in the minority based on the research they have conducted.

I'm among the minority on this site that actually does not see it as that big of a stretch to have a Frozen ride in Norway for all of the typical "the film was inspired by... the architecture... the trolls yada yada yada," reasons.

However, that doesn't mean I'm actually OK with the decision. I think it is much better suited for a mini land with a ride, restaurant and shop In Fantasyland.

RIP Maelstrom.

 

[wm49rs]

Well, Norway did "inspire" the film's look and feel (the Stave Church is filled with a presentation on just that.)
Also, I don't know that we need a whole land devoted to Frozen, and a land full of just a mishmash of IP would not be a good solution either.
I was referring to EPCOT when I mentioned that they tried not having characters before and most complained.
Seriously though, I for one want to see Remy in France, Mary Poppins in UK, the 3 Caballeros in Mexico, etc. I like seeing both cultural representations of the country and having it spiced up with other attractions using appropriate characters.

AND

I know that Disney does lots and lots of research. You are welcome to your opinion, but you can be pretty sure that you are in the minority based on the research they have conducted.

I'm sure the billions spent on Frozen merchandise was research enough. And as for your supposed "mishmash," picking and choosing what supposed parts of a country's culture TWDC purportedly is representing isn't that far removed. I'm just saying....

 

[Haymarket2008]

I wonder what the stand offs on the roof are for.. There seems to be quite a few of them.

I'm looking at the concept art and it looks like a mountain or a hill of some kind is in the area you are talking about. I'm not quite sure though.

 

[FigmentForver96]

Well, Norway did "inspire" the film's look and feel (the Stave Church is filled with a presentation on just that.)
Also, I don't know that we need a whole land devoted to Frozen, and a land full of just a mishmash of IP would not be a good solution either.
I was referring to EPCOT when I mentioned that they tried not having characters before and most complained.
Seriously though, I for one want to see Remy in France, Mary Poppins in UK, the 3 Caballeros in Mexico, etc. I like seeing both cultural representations of the country and having it spiced up with other attractions using appropriate characters.

AND

I know that Disney does lots and lots of research. You are welcome to your opinion, but you can be pretty sure that you are in the minority based on the research they have conducted.

Epcot Center was designed with a different purpose then a cutsey theme park with all your favorite Disney friends in their country. Was their complaining about no characters being there...maybe a little. Yet after a day at Epcot Center people would go spend a day at Magic Kingdom just a monorail ride away. Epcot Center was made to educate, immerse visitors in the wonders of technology and glamorized versions of real countries. The argument has been made from every angle, and it loses every time when people state that Frozen belongs in Epcot. It just does not. It didn't yesterday, it doesn't today, it wont tomorrow and it still wont fit in 2016 when it opens. Many tourist and mommy bloggers will come in floods to wait hours on end for a value ride that has no creativity and no imagination in it. I mean they are using the SAME TRACK as the old ride.

Frozen as a whole land is based on opinion. Tokyo is doing it so we will see soon enough if it will work. But when you take a movie that has made over a billion dollars and shove it in a corner of Epcot like it somehow is the missing piece of puzzle, you are disrespecting the movie Frozen, shaming the imagineers of Disney, spitting on the vision of Epcot, and slapping every Epcot Center fan in the face. What they have done to with this ride is in no way an ok decision no matter what kind of research they did.

I also want to take a moment to think about the research part. Honestly no I don't think they did do much research. I would say nobody on this Earth would say "Hey I think a Frozen ride in Norway would be amazing! What better way to learn about the cultural aspects of Norway then on a boat ride through a movie that has nothing to truly do with Norway". No if they had asked people would have probably liked to see a new imaginative dark ride in Magic Kingdom, or maybe a sub land in Magic Kingdom or maybe a land and show at Hollywood Studios. The putting Frozen in Epcot decision was made upon the idea of fast money and saving money. Nothing but money inspired them to do this...nothing.

 

[AmUK]

We'll all ride it, but putting this into Epcot world showcase is really silly - short term thinking.

I still have no idea why they wanted to be a do a budget job for such a huge franchise - which is what it is. I mean they have used the Frozen theme to pad out all other parks, especially Hollywood studios, yet didn't feel it warranted enough to give it a standalone attraction - as a place it belonged too.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You can't complain about cartoon characters being anywhere in WDW, you just can't. They tried that in EPCOT back in the day and people did not like it.
If you are wanting some culture, architecture, and experiences that have less cartoon flavor to them, might I suggest going to NORWAY.
justsayinzall

That just isn't true. EPCOT Center was plenty popular, a huge cultural moment and continued on being popular. Even when Walt Disney Productions was at its financial worst it was the parks, including extremely expensive EPCOT Center, that were profitable to the point that their profits made up for the losses at the floundering studio and kept the whole company profitable. Roy E. was a studio guy and blamed the parks, especially the big new project, for the failures at the studio to justify his revolt and a business shift highly obsessed with film that has built up to this false narrative that themed entertainment is an inferior medium that needs [film-based] intellectual property to function.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

You can't complain about cartoon characters being anywhere in WDW, you just can't. They tried that in EPCOT back in the day and people did not like it.
If you are wanting some culture, architecture, and experiences that have less cartoon flavor to them, might I suggest going to NORWAY.
justsayinzall

For how long has EPCOT been the world's most visited non-castle park without a cartoon in a W'S attraction?
A) Never
B) Dunno, a few weeks?
C) Decades

 

[lazyboy97o]

For how long has EPCOT been the world's most visited non-castle park without a cartoon in a W'S attraction?
A) Never
B) Dunno, a few weeks?
C) Decades

Boring EPCOT Center was more popular than Epcot.

 

[Horizons '83]

1 fact we know: This attraction is happening whether we like it or not.

Maybe we can focus on the potential of ride? Who knows, maybe Disney will knock our socks off with immersive themeing and a fun ride.