Norway Pavilion Frozen construction - Frozen Ever After ride

[wdisney9000]

i can see it's gonna be pointless to talk to u about the topic. "odd" isnt a nice really...it has a negative conotation. so I'll just wish u well and pray for u. (SMH)

its pointless because we dont agree? Im not trying to convince you of anything, especially in a right or wrong manor. I dont care how people live their lives. They have every right to live how they want. The same way I have every right to think a little boy in a Disney Princess costume is ridiculous. Its just my opinion. It would only threaten you if you have a lack of self confidence.

 

[doctornick]

Anecdotally, that's great stuff. In reality, despite the gender neutral, everything is okay approach to things - DHS's offerings and future offerings will be geared more to the male side of things. And that's not a bad thing. It really is okay that boys prefer some things and girls another. We really are different.

How so? The already existing offerings that are staying are pretty much all gender neutral -- GMR, ToT, RNR, TSMM, Disney Jr, Fantasmic!, MuppetVision. More Toy Story is certainly gender neutral. BatB and VOTLM skew female certainly, though they are apparently going to be replaced -- but the only rumor we heard of was a villains show, which again, is pretty neutral.

The Frozen sing-a-long seems to be staying for the time being and it's female oriented. Indiana Jone and LMA are kinda male oriented, but both are rumored to be leaving in the near future. The hot rumors for an expanded Pixar presence seem to be Monsters Inc and The Incredibles, both of which relatively neutral -- maybe you could argue that superheros in general are boy stuff, but The Incredibles is so family oriented that I think you'd be hard pressed to suggest that it is not accessible to girls. Yes, if they build Cars stuff instead, you can make a better case for it being a boy oriented addition, but that may very well not be in the cards.

The argument basically boils down to Star Wars. Which, sure, is a boy oriented franchise. But it's so big and so well received that it's basically neutral at this point. Tons of women love Star Wars and are interested in it. And even if you want to say it's a "boy" addition, so what? That is just a portion of the park, with plenty else that would be neutral.

I just don't see the park skewing that much towards either gender.

 

[msteel]

Worldviews are interesting things. They color our perceptions in many ways, and sometimes we don't even perceive that.
One person has a worldview that is based on the existence of absolutes outside himself, and those absolutes require gender distinction, and views the choices of others as right or wrong. Another person has a worldview that denies the existence of absolutes and says that every person should do what makes that person happy and views the absolutes of others as hateful and wrong.

Both have decided what the other believes is wrong. Can they both be right?

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

Particularly for young children, parents get the responsibility and opportunity to share their beliefs with their children. Whether others agree with their choices or not is not the point.

 

[Next Big Thing]

I think the best way to use that land would be to put a ride entrance where the Storybook Circus tents are and then connect that to a show building back in that area.

Agreed.

 

[UpAllNight]

My guess is that it will be the standard mess for a year (see Radiator Springs Racers) and then it will become more manageable. If Disney does it right, they will limit the number of advanced FP+ reservations and leave a block per hour available for day guests.

Not sure....despicable me is quite poor capacity and that was still a complete mess this year.

 

[ABQ]

So.....anyone know if the dip wad that climbed the Mexico pavilion got any good views of the Norway pavilion construction site?

 

[Animaniac93-98]

So.....anyone know if the dip wad that climbed the Mexico pavilion got any good views of the Norway pavilion construction site?

Well it was dark...and he was drunk...but I'm sure he thought it looked great!

 

[unkadug]

So.....anyone know if the brave adventurer that climbed the Mexico pavilion got any good views of the Norway pavilion construction site?

Fixed that for you

 

[ABQ]

Fixed that for you

Lol, I'm sure he exclaimed "Kungaloosh!" when he reached the top.

 

[Brer Panther]

What, were the views from the top of Spaceship Earth not good enough?

Also, congratulations! We've reached one hundred pages!

 

[RSoxNo1]

Just a guess here, but the decision for Frostrom was made before they finally opened their eyes to the plight of HS and realized they needed to spend real money and build on a larger scale (not to mention APPROPRIATE setting). Perhaps the execs (or whoever cares) looked at the Frozen project and just decided that even though it goes against the current process of expansion to spreading out crowds, it allows something new for Epcot while they are spending at HS and AK. Again, just a guess.

I don't doubt this at all, but this decision making process happened so soon after construction began in Norway that they could have back tracked and made a better choice. I think Frozen belongs in Fantasyland, but I would certainly accept it as part of whatever they're going to call Hollywood Studios.

 

[UpAllNight]

Frozen in World Showcase still makes more sense to me than Nemo in Future World. It's the fact that both properties are a bit unique in their placement that adds to Epcot appearing incohesive and messy. Throw in a Jacko tribute and an unimaginative ride about imagination and things really do look wierd.

My opinion on Epcot isn't a popular one around here because I hold no nostalgia for the place, but I would rather see other properties incorporated well into world showcase, such as Ratatouille in France and remove them from Future World. If these character areas are done well, they can be genuinely authentic and celebrate a country such as the rat area in France which displays French architecture and culture through food and music and general ambiance.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

Frozen in World Showcase still makes more sense to me than Nemo in Future World. It's the fact that both properties are a bit unique in their placement that adds to Epcot appearing incohesive and messy. Throw in a Jacko tribute and an unimaginative ride about imagination and things really do look wierd.

My opinion on Epcot isn't a popular one around here because I hold no nostalgia for the place, but I would rather see other properties incorporated well into world showcase, such as Ratatouille in France and remove them from Future World. If these character areas are done well, they can be genuinely authentic and celebrate a country such as the rat area in France which displays French architecture and culture through food and music and general ambiance.

While I do not like the Nemo ride itself, I think Turtle Talk with Crush is actually a really good attraction for kids, as he actually teaches about the sea life while cracking jokes.

 

[doctornick]

While I do not like the Nemo ride itself, I think Turtle Talk with Crush is actually a really good attraction for kids, as he actually teaches about the sea life while cracking jokes.

And min terms of the ride, I've always been of the opinion that the use of the IP isn't the problem as much as the execution -- you have this weird rehashing of the movie plot (though I think it's a sequel where Nemo is lost again?!?). Since Nemo and friends are real types of fish in a real environment, it isn't that awful of a combination for The Living Seas (as opposed to when they were contemplating a Little Mermaid overlay), but the ride should have been something like Mr. Ray talking about the environment of the ocean with Nemo playing the wide eyed inquisitive child role. And then ending with them inviting you to Seabase Alpha where you can learn more about the Living Seas.

 

[wdisney9000]

My opinion on Epcot isn't a popular one around here because I hold no nostalgia for the place, but I would rather see other properties incorporated well into world showcase, such as Ratatouille in France and remove them from Future World. If these character areas are done well, they can be genuinely authentic and celebrate a country such as the rat area in France which displays French architecture and culture through food and music and general ambiance.

Its understandable why people want more rides in WS. I wouldnt mind them either but I dont think they need to be IP based. Sure, its a Disney park and it makes sense, but part of what makes Epcot enjoyable is the reason that its not a clone of MK. Its great to change the pace of your trip with a visit to Epcot because it has the charm of a Disney park without the IPs. Same for AK. Dinosaur, Safari, Everest and Khali are great rides and they dont utilize an IP. You can go to MK or HS to get your fix of characters.

Attractions such as Maelstrom, SSE, TT, Soarin' are great, and again, no IP involved. Disney is great at building attractions without characters so I say let them do it. Its a good balance. I dont understand why people desire to see characters so badly in WS

 

[wdwmagic]

Can we please remain on topic. Just deleted a few 100 posts that have not relevance to the thread.

 

[Cesar R M]

Sorry if it's a bit offtopic and i'm risking sounding like an armchair imagineer here, but i'll repost an image I made showing seemingly unused land that could possibly be used for expansion at MK.

I'm not sure if every plot of land I marked can be realistically used (perhaps with enough money and ambition any of it). But look specifically at the land marked to the east of the Circus area (outside the train track), which was actually an officially designated expansion plot for future use when the park was first built. One assumes a pathway either underneath or over the track would connect the area. Assuming they could fill in and reroute the water to use the entire area, there's enough space to almost double the size of Fantasyland if so desired (it's a bit bigger than all of New Fantasyland including the Circus area). Lots of room for a Frozen miniland with plenty of space left over.

tons of these areas are for "buffer" zones imho. The onext next to space mountain for example. Lose that, and you lose a lot magic.

 

[marni1971]

tons of these areas are for "buffer" zones imho. The onext next to space mountain for example. Lose that, and you lose a lot magic.

Apart from behind fantasyland they are indeed designated expansion areas.

 

[montyz81]

Apart from behind fantasyland they are indeed designated expansion areas.

Doesn't that cut into the engineered berm that helps hid the outside world? Although I did read somewhere it was intentional for guests to be able to see the Contemporary and Monorail from Tomorroland.