NextGen Launch?

[Thrill Seeker]

Yes, yes, yes.

I don't post a whole lot on these boards, at least not as much as some, but when a conversation like this comes up, I usually say something about this. The "small" tickets are what flesh out the Disney experience. You're not jumping from headliner to headliner like you would at say Six Flags. Riding TTA, the train, and the tea cups along with parades and shows-- those things separate Disney from the rest.

AK and Studios need some good quality dark rides. I'd say put a nice Up dark ride or Ratatouille at Studios and maybe Jungle Book or Rescuers Down Under at AK. Heck, an original concept one would work too, especially in Asia. I'd like to see a dark ride devoted to the culture of Asian countries.

 

[inluvwithbeast]

AK and Studios need some good quality dark rides. I'd say put a nice Up dark ride or Ratatouille at Studios and maybe Jungle Book or Rescuers Down Under at AK. Heck, an original concept one would work too, especially in Asia. I'd like to see a dark ride devoted to the culture of Asian countries.

I think that would really work. Maelstrom or Gran Fiesta but all anthropology/nature-ized. Eat people, get them out of the heat and out of other queues, keep them in the park longer to buy more gifts and eat more food.

 

[juniorthomas]

yea but they could add some smaller mountains & caves off to the side since it is a huge mountain anyway. I think thats a really cool idea, it would give smaller kids a chance to experience EE in a way.

Absolutely. I like the idea of making rides a little more open to different ages WITHOUT compromising the actual ride.

And you would have to think that a baby yeti would be willing to work a little more than a grown up, pre-occupied yeti.

 

[juniorthomas]

Actually, that is the point. It is what makes the MK or Disneyland feel to rich while a park like AK or MGM feels like it is underpopulated with things to do. There are rides in the MK just to get you excited about other rides (WDW Railroad and the TTA). Low tech stuff, high tech stuff, it is a very a strong mix.... There are lots and lots of minor attractions that give the returning visitor so many possible avenues to explore.



We could lose that dumb train out to Rafiki's Planet Watch and instead have your idea.... LOVE it!



This is a great thought... like the TTA / Peoplemover is a ride for kids to experience Space Mountain before they are able or brave enough. I remember having that exact experience riding on the Peoplemover in tomorrowland as a young kid and I always had that sense of wonder when we passed through space mountain.

This is the "richness" I'm trying to describe. Would the TTA get built today... no way. People would complain about it not being exciting enough, or technological enough, or impressive enough for "Disney to waste their money on when we should have a new E-ticket."

I've watched these boards for years. The Disney nuts like us are as much to blame about the lack of B-C ticket additions as anyone. The expectation level has stifled the development of the parks some.

I'll pass on those first two.

I don't think WDI is scouring these boards and taking our insistence on bigger and better E-tickets as reason to discredit the value/cease production of B-C ticket attractions. FLE is basically going to be B-C's all while the world is screaming for a response to WWoHP. Shock and Awe FLE is not.

Disney does what they want. More often than not, what they come up with works too.

 

[juniorthomas]

AK and Studios need some good quality dark rides. I'd say put a nice Up dark ride or Ratatouille at Studios and maybe Jungle Book or Rescuers Down Under at AK. Heck, an original concept one would work too, especially in Asia. I'd like to see a dark ride devoted to the culture of Asian countries.

Why not an Up ride at DAK? You could build Paradise Falls.

It's such a simple idea that would really pay off. You fold in existing characters and theming, then add animals - its a great idea. A great addition to DAK.

 

[erasure fan1]

I'll pass on those first two.

I don't think WDI is scouring these boards and taking our insistence on bigger and better E-tickets as reason to discredit the value/cease production of B-C ticket attractions. FLE is basically going to be B-C's all while the world is screaming for a response to WWoHP. Shock and Awe FLE is not.

Disney does what they want. More often than not, what they come up with works too.

Yes, I totally agree. If Disney at all listened to us the answer to WWoHP would be something more in line with the beastly kingdom, not FLE.

 

[SeaCastle]

To be fair, a lot of those "attractions" counted to get to the 40 number are very minor, or not really attractions at all.

I would consider Magic Kingdom to have 35 rides/attractions at a stretch, and even then you are including in the 35 figure small walk-through "attractions" like Minnie's House, Mickey's House, Toontown Hall of Fame, Donald's Boat, etc.

To get up to the 40 attractions figure, you have to add in to that already padded 35 figure really minor stuff like Ariel's Grotto, Fairytale Garden storytime, Town Square Expo Hall, and start counting each of the Main Street Vehicles (Omnibus, Horseless Carriage, Horse-Drawn Streetcars) as separate "rides" instead of just clumping them together as one.

Add up the "attractions" at Magic Kingdom where you get in a moving ride vehicle or sit in a theater and watch a movie and/or animatronics perform (plus the Treehouse for good measure) and you get a grand total of 31 Attractions for the Magic Kingdom, which I think is a much more appropriate way to count that sort of thing.

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Not counting "minor" attractions (walk-throughs, Vehicles, meet and greets, spectaculars, etc.), here are the counts for Disneyland and the Magic Kingdom:

DL: 34
MK: 29

 

[NoChesterHester]

I'll pass on those first two.

I don't think WDI is scouring these boards and taking our insistence on bigger and better E-tickets as reason to discredit the value/cease production of B-C ticket attractions. FLE is basically going to be B-C's all while the world is screaming for a response to WWoHP. Shock and Awe FLE is not.

Disney does what they want. More often than not, what they come up with works too.

WDI doesn't make decisions on what attractions get built. Corporate executives make those decisions based on multiple factors. Guest feedback is one of them.

I wasn't suggesting they were scouring the boards looking for our opinions on what needs to occur, but you are fooling yourself if you think they don't listen. Fantasyland changes come out of the blue???? Now I'm not foolish enough to believe that they actually go looking for suggestions, but fan feedback makes a difference.

Yes, I believe that the fan and media scrutiny and expectation level has stifled the smaller attraction development in the parks. It is such a circus every time they announce anything. It has to be such a big splash that the individual attraction budgets balloon out of control. They can't take a risk on a middle level attraction unless it is a replacement or rolled out in concert with a bigger ticket. Name me the last real 'C' that didn't either open with a park or that replaced another attraction.

I will not address the WWoHP comment... That will spiral this thread out of control quickly.

 

[themeparkone]

With the way he worded his tweets, I thought he was reporting on a new pyro show, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Clever.

 

[juniorthomas]

Yes, I totally agree. If Disney at all listened to us the answer to WWoHP would be something more in line with the beastly kingdom, not FLE.

I've never once owned and operated a themepark. At this point, I'm willing to accept whatever Disney comes up with as a good idea. I may not be able to go on all the FLE rides, but if it makes money for the parks, we may get some rides in the future that we can go on.

It all works out in the end.

 

[juniorthomas]

WDI doesn't make decisions on what attractions get built. Corporate executives make those decisions based on multiple factors. Guest feedback is one of them.

I wasn't suggesting they were scouring the boards looking for our opinions on what needs to occur, but you are fooling yourself if you think they don't listen. Fantasyland changes come out of the blue???? Now I'm not foolish enough to believe that they actually go looking for suggestions, but fan feedback makes a difference.

Yes, I believe that the fan and media scrutiny and expectation level has stifled the smaller attraction development in the parks. It is such a circus every time they announce anything. It has to be such a big splash that the individual attraction budgets balloon out of control. They can't take a risk on a middle level attraction unless it is a replacement or rolled out in concert with a bigger ticket. Name me the last real 'C' that didn't either open with a park or that replaced another attraction.

I will not address the WWoHP comment... That will spiral this thread out of control quickly.

Guest feedback is used during soft openings and after the ride is open. You can't have guest feedback on something that doesn't exist. Legally Disney isn't allowed to take ideas from the public to prevent the risk of litigation.

Sure you can read comment cards about wanting more bathrooms and gift shops, but you aren't going to get the next big ride from one of those.

And http://www.wdwmagic.com/Attractions/The-Sum-of-All-Thrills.htm

 

[cynic710]

attractions should be derived from the orignal sourse, i.e Disney animation and movies. I think the public view of these sources is partially credited for what is next at the parks, but its the imagineers who have the most influence.

take tron for instance, and the almost-not-a-rumor that a ride is being made in its theme. as far as the box office is concerned tron didnt do all that well for the high standard it was given, but the imagineers can have a field day with a ride based off it, and thus, we give you awesome tron ride.

i have faith in the sources that create the future attractions, but i will never believe that we the people dont have some sort of influence on them.

walt was out to make us happy.

 

[Vernonpush]

WDI doesn't make decisions on what attractions get built. Corporate executives make those decisions based on multiple factors. Guest feedback is one of them.

I wasn't suggesting they were scouring the boards looking for our opinions on what needs to occur, but you are fooling yourself if you think they don't listen. Fantasyland changes come out of the blue???? Now I'm not foolish enough to believe that they actually go looking for suggestions, but fan feedback makes a difference.

Yes, I believe that the fan and media scrutiny and expectation level has stifled the smaller attraction development in the parks. It is such a circus every time they announce anything. It has to be such a big splash that the individual attraction budgets balloon out of control. They can't take a risk on a middle level attraction unless it is a replacement or rolled out in concert with a bigger ticket. Name me the last real 'C' that didn't either open with a park or that replaced another attraction.I will not address the WWoHP comment... That will spiral this thread out of control quickly.

Aladdin's Flying Carpets?:shrug: Or is that a "B" or "A"?

 

[SeaCastle]

Clever.

So, is that a yes?

 

[juniorthomas]

Aladdin's Flying Carpets?:shrug: Or is that a "B" or "A"?

I was beginning to think nobody was going to help me out on that. I'd say its at least a B

 

[RSoxNo1]

I would say that Aladdin is a B, and the Fantasyland style dark rides are C's. You can also put Primeval Whirl and The Seas with Nemo and Friends into the category of C-tickets as well.

 

[NoChesterHester]

Aladdin's Flying Carpets?:shrug: Or is that a "B" or "A"?

True, an addition! Aladdin's Flying Carpets was added in May 2001. My alias on this site is the location of another two.... Triceratops Spin and Primeval Whirl. Those were added March of 2002. I really can't think of any others. Nine years for three minor attractions.

In that time we have also added: Expedition Everest, Soarin, Mission Space, Toy Story... just off the top of my head. There are more.

All three of these are awful eyesore additions too. There is a way to add some lower level attractions that aren't off the shelf monstrosities.

It isn't that important if we classify an attraction D or E, my point is still valid. They are really focused on adding bigger tickets to the parks and skipping the development of smaller attractions.

BTW - Nemo may be considered a C, but it was a replacement. That seems to be the M.O.

 

[WDWFREAK53]

True, an addition! Aladdin's Flying Carpets was added in May 2001. My alias on this site is the location of another two.... Triceratops Spin and Primeval Whirl. Those were added March of 2002. I really can't think of any others. Nine years for three minor attractions.

In that time we have also added: Expedition Everest, Soarin, Mission Space, Toy Story... just off the top of my head. There are more.

All three of these are awful eyesore additions too. There is a way to add some lower level attractions that aren't off the shelf monstrosities.

It isn't that important if we classify an attraction D or E, my point is still valid. They are really focused on adding bigger tickets to the parks and skipping the development of smaller attractions.

BTW - Nemo may be considered a C, but it was a replacement. That seems to be the M.O.

Mission:Space and Toy Story were also replacements. (Horizons and WWTBAMPI)

 

[juniorthomas]

Mission:Space and Toy Story were also replacements. (Horizons and WWTBAMPI)

And let the record state, I wanted to be a millionaire. Didn't really want to win pins and hats though...