NextGen Deep Impact

flynnibus

flynnibus

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RSoxNo1 said:
That's because it's much harder to quantify the effect of adding an attraction
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That's kind of the point.. posters have no problem justifying spending on an attraction - which they can't really justify the ROI on explicitly. Yet when talking infrastructure and services.. posters are demanding 'well there needs to be a clear ROI or they wouldn't be doing it...' type of thoughts to justify why they think Disney is gonna milk you.

They are willing to give ROI a pass if it's an attraction.. but not if its something else. That's not how the world turns...
 
MerlinTheGoat

MerlinTheGoat

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Lee said:
I do seem to recall them from years ago....
Haven't seem too many good new ones lately, other than some simple animated figures.

I even remember a ride that had nearly 200 of them. Seems they got tossed out and replaced by mostly screens...
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The one with 200 of them, which was that? World of Motion? That's not even to mention others now lost like Horizons and Journey into Imagination.

And agreed 100%. Disney's attractions built nowadays are unfortunately lacking any sort of substantial amounts of decent AA's. The ones that still have them were built 20 years ago and farther back. You're lucky if you get more than a tiny handful of decent ones in new attractions, ones that do more than just a single motion (like the majority of figures in Mermaid that just wobble or twist around vaguely).

It's been so long since we got an attraction with a large quantity of these figures. As I recall, Splash Mountain was really the last one to go all out in that regard, and it's now over 20 years old and quite literally in dire neglect and falling apart.

It's really a shame because that WAS one of the major things that set Disney apart from the rest IMO. Key word being was.
 
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td1129

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Lee said:
I do seem to recall them from years ago....
Haven't seem too many good new ones lately, other than some simple animated figures.

I even remember a ride that had nearly 200 of them. Seems they got tossed out and replaced by mostly screens...
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Not to bring facts into play, but...

C3po
Mr potato head
Scuttle x3
Ariel x5
Eric x2
Triton
Sebastian x2
Ursula
Yeti (RIP)
Wardrobe
Lumiere
Luxo
Remi
Jack sparrow x3
Obama
Dwarfs x at least 7

How does that stack up to Universal? Just curious.
 
Lee

Lee

Adventurer
Doesn't take much to top Universal in the AA department, though they have quite a few. (And it isn't how I gauge the quality of an attraction.)

But, of the ones on that list, far too many are not what I consider to be worthy of the AA name. Animated figures, with limited or little motion are not worth mentioning. (And you might as well take Yeti and Luxo off.)
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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td1129 said:
Anamatronics are all garner holt
Test track 2 is all gm
FLE is all Burbank
Star tours 2 is all Lucas

Tdo has nothing to do with anything in its parks.

We get it, wdwmagic. We get it.
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Did you miss the story about Disney selling to Garner Holt Productions? It's not a Team Disney Orlando thing, its a Walt Disney Parks and Resorts thing.
 
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MickeyPeace

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So from the guests point of view, NextGen has created an artificially inflated desire to ride attractions, most of which are decades old. You will now be rewarded with what used to be the norm, a Fastpass. Are Fastpasses really enough of a reward on which to base this system? Not for me. But I guess part of the reason of cutting EMH is to make things even more hectic during regular park hours thus increasing the desire for a FP. There is a point when I step back from the experience and say this is not for me. Again, time will tell once this is rolled out.

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Sans Souci

Sans Souci

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Wdwprince said:
So from the guests point of view, NextGen has created an artificially inflated desire to ride attractions, most of which are decades old. You will now be rewarded with what used to be the norm, a Fastpass. Are Fastpasses really enough of a reward on which to base this system? Not for me. But I guess part of the reason of cutting EMH is to make things even more hectic during regular park hours thus increasing the desire for a FP. There is a point when I step back from the experience and say this is not for me. Again, time will tell once this is rolled out.

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This is exactly where I am with this. I know some people like the idea of securing rides before they leave home and that's great for them. We go to WDW and get on whichever bus shows up first at the resort. I need to see how this will affect us before I make the determination that continued WDW vacations are for us.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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flynnibus said:
That's kind of the point.. posters have no problem justifying spending on an attraction - which they can't really justify the ROI on explicitly. Yet when talking infrastructure and services.. posters are demanding 'well there needs to be a clear ROI or they wouldn't be doing it...' type of thoughts to justify why they think Disney is gonna milk you.

They are willing to give ROI a pass if it's an attraction.. but not if its something else. That's not how the world turns...
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This is an excellent point. I am guilty of this for sure. From a selfish standpoint we are OK with ignoring ROI for a new ride if it's something we want. I think with Nextgen a lot of people seem to feel it will reduce the quality of their WDW vacation, not increase it so there must be some great financial benefit for the company. Personally, I think we have to see how FP+ actually works and the other components before judging the whole project. Here's a crazy thought, maybe years from now we will be looking back at Nextgen and FP+ and saying, wow what a great idea that was. I wonder how many people were upset, outraged, disappointed, confused, etc... when fast pass first came put. If they were how many view it negatively now? We didn't have a place like this (at least I didn't know about it if there was one) so its hard to know what others were thinking.
 
nytimez

nytimez

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GoofGoof said:
This is an excellent point. I am guilty of this for sure. From a selfish standpoint we are OK with ignoring ROI for a new ride if it's something we want. I think with Nextgen a lot of people seem to feel it will reduce the quality of their WDW vacation, not increase it so there must be some great financial benefit for the company. Personally, I think we have to see how FP+ actually works and the other components before judging the whole project. Here's a crazy thought, maybe years from now we will be looking back at Nextgen and FP+ and saying, wow what a great idea that was. I wonder how many people were upset, outraged, disappointed, confused, etc... when fast pass first came put. If they were how many view it negatively now? We didn't have a place like this (at least I didn't know about it if there was one) so its hard to know what others were thinking.
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It's not a selfish standpoint at all. You're free to like and dislike what you want for any reason you want, ROI doesn't enter into it.

If the company makes something you enjoy, and enough people enjoy it, the ROI will (hopefully) follow.
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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td1129 said:
I suppose your definition of groundbreaking technology is the most attractions with the biggest screens?
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No, more like integrating high definition screens along with actual physical sets and innovative ride systems.
Lee said:
I do seem to recall them from years ago....
Haven't seem too many good new ones lately, other than some simple animated figures.

I even remember a ride that had nearly 200 of them. Seems they got tossed out and replaced by mostly screens...
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Nah, they have them. There are decent animatronics in Journey of the Little Mermaid and many have been underwhelmed. At this point if I'm Disney I'd be somewhat frustrated because people don't like the animatronic based attractions and then they complain about screen based attractions as well. The problem is Disney hasn't attempted to raise the bar. Animatronics, while exciting are no longer as impressive as they used to be. They need to be used where appropriate to help raise the bar.
flynnibus said:
That's kind of the point.. posters have no problem justifying spending on an attraction - which they can't really justify the ROI on explicitly. Yet when talking infrastructure and services.. posters are demanding 'well there needs to be a clear ROI or they wouldn't be doing it...' type of thoughts to justify why they think Disney is gonna milk you.

They are willing to give ROI a pass if it's an attraction.. but not if its something else. That's not how the world turns...
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I actually think that's part of the problem with Next Gen - to sell it to the bean counters they needed a money making item that can be rolled in with the beneficial infrastructure items. That money making item seems to be Fastpass+.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

Premium Member
GoofGoof said:
Personally, I think we have to see how FP+ actually works and the other components before judging the whole project. Here's a crazy thought, maybe years from now we will be looking back at Nextgen and FP+ and saying, wow what a great idea that was. I wonder how many people were upset, outraged, disappointed, confused, etc... when fast pass first came put.
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Concur - much of the arguments being made here could have applied directly to FP's initial roll-out. From costs vs ROI, to messy changes to existing rides, to class warefare, to what Disney could do for onsite vs offsite, tiering, etc.

FP rolled out during my hiatus from Disney, so I don't have first hand knowledge. But given the vigor many have STILL over the program (tho they aren't shy about benefiting from it) I'd wager some were resistant then too.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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RSoxNo1 said:
I actually think that's part of the problem with Next Gen - to sell it to the bean counters they needed a money making item that can be rolled in with the beneficial infrastructure items. That money making item seems to be Fastpass+.
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I'm sorry - until someone comes up with something beyond what they THINK the company will do.. this just reeks of speculation being touted as fact.

Speculation - that IMO - flies blindly against what we do know about the company. Merch is king.. and FP is a cost of business. Where is there anything to suggest those tables have flipped?

People are so darn fixated on FP+ - they can't see past it.
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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flynnibus said:
I'm sorry - until someone comes up with something beyond what they THINK the company will do.. this just reeks of speculation being touted as fact.

Speculation - that IMO - flies blindly against what we do know about the company. Merch is king.. and FP is a cost of business. Where is there anything to suggest those tables have flipped?

People are so darn fixated on FP+ - they can't see past it.
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Homogenization of merchandise is another problem and it's another area where Harry Potter is kicking Mickey's @$$
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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RSoxNo1 said:
Homogenization of merchandise is another problem and it's another area where Harry Potter is kicking Mickey's @$$
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Shouldn't this help with that? If you have all of this data to mine and the data shows people like/buy unique merchandise and pass on generic crap then in theory we should see more of what we want in the parks. Maybe I'm just over simplifying it.
 

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