News New Theater to be built at the Magic Kingdom - now cancelled?

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
This is absolutely ridiculous that the theater got cut. Actually, I’m surprised they even considered giving us entertainment for “free”. I guess they realized in between now and last years D23 that they could send the show to Disney Springs and charge for it. Silly me for thinking we would actually get it. They better bring us something very worth it in the MK to make up for it.

You realize that the billions of dollars spent for Pandora, RoL, DHS fireworks, TSL, SWL and all the other new and upgraded rides (TRON, MMRR, GotG, Rat, UK) -- plus the millions that will be spent on staffing and maintenance -- is "free" entertainment, right?
 

Gringrinngghost

Well-Known Member
As far as I can ascertain it was cancelled when the funding went elsewhere. Should the funding be restored in the future it will be happening again.
If anything, they are going to get the site plan re-evaluated. Apparently it was discovered there are too many utility cables and such underneath the proposed plan site that wasn’t in the plans that the cost of re-routing them would have been a lot higher than estimates. There were also apparently issues with logistics with Main Street Bypass being open continuously especially with events like Mickey's Not So Scary and Very Merry as well as during the construction period. .
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
If anything, they are going to get the site plan re-evaluated. Apparently it was discovered there are too many utility cables and such underneath the proposed plan site that wasn’t in the plans that the cost of re-routing them would have been a lot higher than estimates. There were also apparently issues with logistics with Main Street Bypass being open continuously especially with events like Mickey's Not So Scary and Very Merry as well as during the construction period. .
I believe that’s false info.
 

JohnD

Well-Known Member
I don't know.. What do you count as a "ride"? For example, is the Tiki Room a ride? How about Carousel of Progress? Tom Sawyer Island? Enchanted Tales with Belle? Are you only excluding character meet-and-greets and "scheduled" shows like Enchanted Tales, or are you excluding continuous running shows like Bug's Life, Muppets 3D, and Philharmagic? Do you exclude "walking" attractions like the Tree Houses, the walking trails at AK, etc?

A "ride" is a ride. If it doesn't move, it's an "attraction", rides being "attractions" also. Put another way, they're all "attractions". Attractions that move are "rides". As for COP, could be a "ride" as it revolves around to 4 sets.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
A "ride" is a ride. If it doesn't move, it's an "attraction", rides being "attractions" also. Put another way, they're all "attractions". Attractions that move are "rides". As for COP, could be a "ride" as it revolves around to 4 sets.

Is a 4D theater like Magic Eye a ride? The chairs shake and go up and down, but they don't go anywhere.

And is Star Tours a ride? The chairs shake and go up and down, but they don't go anywhere.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
A small plot west of Crystal Palace, south and west of the Pirates show building, west of BTM (long term), north of the new Tron site and south of Space Mountain.

That's just the plots they're eyeing as easy candidates and the first to develop if they need to, right?

From their land suitability study, it's a little more. In the map below, the whitewash areas are considered in-use even if there's a wooded lot or a lake. They can readily build there (minus any sinkholes). It also means they can demolish any existing building, attraction, river, or back lot usage and re-make it as an attraction. In the same way, what's marked as red is also readily suitable for building. The light green is 'marginal suitability' and the dark green is 'unsuitable.' A lack of suitability means dealing with conservation offsets and building in low-lying swampy areas.

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There's a lot of land to the north they can develop... theoretically... if they hadn't already utilized it for back stage stuff and utilities and blocked it off with a phallanx of NFL showbuildings and RoA.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
That's just the plots they're eyeing as easy candidates and the first to develop if they need to, right?

From their land suitability study, it's a little more. In the map below, the whitewash areas are considered in-use even if there's a wooded lot or a lake. They can readily build there (minus any sinkholes). It also means they can demolish any existing building, attraction, river, or back lot usage and re-make it as an attraction. In the same way, what's marked as red is also readily suitable for building. The light green is 'marginal suitability' and the dark green is 'unsuitable.' A lack of suitability means dealing with conservation offsets and building in low-lying swampy areas.

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There's a lot of land to the north they can develop... theoretically... if they hadn't already utilized it for back stage stuff and utilities and blocked it off with a phallanx of NFL showbuildings and RoA.
While the Reedy Creek Improvement District is a de facto part of the company, the Building Department still serves the role of a governing agency and is not publishing how the land will be developed. These maps are based on geotechnical analysis and don’t consider any other factors that would impact Disney’s decisions to build.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
While the Reedy Creek Improvement District is a de facto part of the company, the Building Department still serves the role of a governing agency and is not publishing how the land will be developed. These maps are based on geotechnical analysis and don’t consider any other factors that would impact Disney’s decisions to build.

You mean like how they took land that was deemed an unsuitable marsh, and lying in a 100 year flood plain, and had to be filled in with tons and tons of dirt, and had to be offset with new conservation wetlands, and then made it into an expansion of DHS?

https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/maps-of-the-reedy-creek-2010-2020-plan.935133/#post-7935693
 

Biff215

Well-Known Member
Hey @marni1971 Is there any reason they didnt re-use the theatre in Tomorrowland by Buzz Lightyear? Either enclose it and use that or demolish it and use the land it was on? Marie
I thought about that theater recently as well, and then I reminded myself how many upgrades that facility would have needed. It was fine for small shows like what we see on the castle stage, but that’s about it. It’s been gone for a while and the new theater would have used some of its old land. Another problem was being in TL which would limit its show themes. I’m not sure MS was the best location either, but at least it was a better use of available space.
 

George

Liker of Things
Premium Member
A small plot west of Crystal Palace, south and west of the Pirates show building, west of BTM (long term), north of the new Tron site and south of Space Mountain.

Not that simple. I've seen these lists before and tried building a storage shed on that spot near CP and Disney had a cow. Really uptight. I was all like, "marni1971 says building can occur on this site" and they were all like, "we're calling the cops." Weird.
 

George

Liker of Things
Premium Member
Is a 4D theater like Magic Eye a ride? The chairs shake and go up and down, but they don't go anywhere.

And is Star Tours a ride? The chairs shake and go up and down, but they don't go anywhere.

How about this - if you go on a fantastic adventure or journey if you will in your imagination, its a ride. If you feel rooted to the spot after the entertainment is done (attracted to the venue...) then it's an attraction. If both occur, the journey and the attraction, then its a "ridaction" or ride + attraction. Pretty simple really.
 

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