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Stepmc

Member
There's a great line I heard Denis Leary use earlier this year, "we were too poor to have feelings." Everybody is offended by everything today. Yes, you're not a threat, but the security team doesn't know that. As long as the team is respectful and does their job in a professional manner your complaining sounds like whining.

In this respect, the terrorists have won. They've affected our way of life where every day people are being "harassed" for looking potentially suspicious. But I'd much rather have a few people feel "harassed" than the alternative.
I'm sorry, but it goes way beyond a vague feeling of being "harassed" for some people. How about the woman who has to disclose a medical device to a male attendant in full view of other people just to walk into an amusement park with her grandchildren and is embarrassed to do so? I knew of a woman years ago who used a breast prosthesis that included some metal that could set off detectors. How do you "respectfully" embarrass her? What about the young woman who feels profoundly uncomfortable having her body under scrutiny-even in a seemingly benign way-by the same male guard? These aren't imaginary complaints. These are real live complaints that I've heard from people who see this as a far greater intrusion than you.
Putting people's bodies under scrutiny-in front on their kids, no less-is far different than checking bags and for some is one intrusion too many considering the activity in question. Plus, what about the kids? Surely they'll be selected too or the whole exercise is meaningless. Teaching them this is normal is ok? What happens if a gun gets past random screening, which it surely can? Admit it's a waste of time? No, of course not, they'll amp it up to something else. The point is where does it end? I'd rather try to take a stand now-even against a few people being harassed needlessly-then progress to a world where freedom of movement without "harassment" is a thing of the past.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
I'm sorry, but it goes way beyond a vague feeling of being "harassed" for some people. How about the woman who has to disclose a medical device to a male attendant in full view of other people just to walk into an amusement park with her grandchildren and is embarrassed to do so? I knew of a woman years ago who used a breast prosthesis that included some metal that could set off detectors. How do you "respectfully" embarrass her? What about the young woman who feels profoundly uncomfortable having her body under scrutiny-even in a seemingly benign way-by the same male guard? These aren't imaginary complaints. These are real live complaints that I've heard from people who see this as a far greater intrusion than you.
Putting people's bodies under scrutiny-in front on their kids, no less-is far different than checking bags and for some is one intrusion too many considering the activity in question. Plus, what about the kids? Surely they'll be selected too or the whole exercise is meaningless. Teaching them this is normal is ok? What happens if a gun gets past random screening, which it surely can? Admit it's a waste of time? No, of course not, they'll amp it up to something else. The point is where does it end? I'd rather try to take a stand now-even against a few people being harassed needlessly-then progress to a world where freedom of movement without "harassment" is a thing of the past.

I understand what you are saying...but the same arguments have been made for airport check-points and the TSA. I am not defending this practice, but this has already been played out at other venues that are voluntary to visit.
 

s8film40

Well-Known Member
I understand what you are saying...but the same arguments have been made for airport check-points and the TSA. I am not defending this practice, but this has already been played out at other venues that are voluntary to visit.
That argument carries a little more weight in the case of the TSA as they search everyone, at the very least even if they are missing some things that at least provides a deterrent. What the theme parks are doing has zero affect on security. I think many could stomach being harassed and the inconvenience of all this if it at least served some purpose.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
That argument carries a little more weight in the case of the TSA as they search everyone, at the very least even if they are missing some things that at least provides a deterrent. What the theme parks are doing has zero affect on security. I think many could stomach being harassed and the inconvenience of all this if it at least served some purpose.

You're preaching to the choir. I was just referring to the argument about it being intrusive and embarrassing. These were things being talked about when full-body scanners started popping up at airports. When people complained (can't remember if there were court cases or not), the alternative was for a full-body pat down. Now at airports, you can select the gender of the person giving you the pat down. I wonder if you can opt out of the metal detector at WDW and do the same. Has this been discussed already?
 

s8film40

Well-Known Member
You're preaching to the choir. I was just referring to the argument about it being intrusive and embarrassing. These were things being talked about when full-body scanners started popping up at airports. When people complained (can't remember if there were court cases or not), the alternative was for a full-body pat down. Now at airports, you can select the gender of the person giving you the pat down. I wonder if you can opt out of the metal detector at WDW and do the same. Has this been discussed already?
Yeah I agree with you about that not being the best argument against them. They have to have a system in place for people who are unable to go through the metal detectors. I have a friend who has a pacemaker and can't go through, when he goes to HHN they do a light pat down. I wouldn't be surprised if the alternative at WDW is they just let you go through unchecked, it's all "random" anyway.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Plus, what about the kids? Surely they'll be selected too or the whole exercise is meaningless. Teaching them this is normal is ok?

Yes
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Funny, when people were so self-concious about things.. we used to say 'get a tougher skin'
Now we say 'how can we bend everyone else to fit you'
 

Nubs70

Well-Known Member
I'm sorry, but it goes way beyond a vague feeling of being "harassed" for some people. How about the woman who has to disclose a medical device to a male attendant in full view of other people just to walk into an amusement park with her grandchildren and is embarrassed to do so? I knew of a woman years ago who used a breast prosthesis that included some metal that could set off detectors. How do you "respectfully" embarrass her? What about the young woman who feels profoundly uncomfortable having her body under scrutiny-even in a seemingly benign way-by the same male guard? These aren't imaginary complaints. These are real live complaints that I've heard from people who see this as a far greater intrusion than you.
Putting people's bodies under scrutiny-in front on their kids, no less-is far different than checking bags and for some is one intrusion too many considering the activity in question. Plus, what about the kids? Surely they'll be selected too or the whole exercise is meaningless. Teaching them this is normal is ok? What happens if a gun gets past random screening, which it surely can? Admit it's a waste of time? No, of course not, they'll amp it up to something else. The point is where does it end? I'd rather try to take a stand now-even against a few people being harassed needlessly-then progress to a world where freedom of movement without "harassment" is a thing of the past.
As with any security measures as condition of admission, if the inconvenience of the inspection outweigh the value proposition of admission, you are free to not seek admission.

Some here feel that costume restrictions outweigh the value proposition of admission of the Halloween Party. As such, they are questioning/canceling plans to attend.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
Well I would agree with this if the "alternative" was a worse situation. The metal detectors provide absolutely no measure of added security. I don't personally carry guns, if I did the only reason I wouldn't take them into WDW parks is the inconvenience. I would have absolutely no problem taking a gun into the park. I wouldn't be deterred by this and very likely not stopped.

The reality of the situation here is they are harassing people to make ignorant people who don't understand the situation feel safer.
You're right that this is largely to make people "feel" more comfortable, but there is a safety component here as well.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
I'm sorry, but it goes way beyond a vague feeling of being "harassed" for some people. How about the woman who has to disclose a medical device to a male attendant in full view of other people just to walk into an amusement park with her grandchildren and is embarrassed to do so? I knew of a woman years ago who used a breast prosthesis that included some metal that could set off detectors. How do you "respectfully" embarrass her? What about the young woman who feels profoundly uncomfortable having her body under scrutiny-even in a seemingly benign way-by the same male guard? These aren't imaginary complaints. These are real live complaints that I've heard from people who see this as a far greater intrusion than you.
Putting people's bodies under scrutiny-in front on their kids, no less-is far different than checking bags and for some is one intrusion too many considering the activity in question. Plus, what about the kids? Surely they'll be selected too or the whole exercise is meaningless. Teaching them this is normal is ok? What happens if a gun gets past random screening, which it surely can? Admit it's a waste of time? No, of course not, they'll amp it up to something else. The point is where does it end? I'd rather try to take a stand now-even against a few people being harassed needlessly-then progress to a world where freedom of movement without "harassment" is a thing of the past.
A good friend of mine has two prosthetic legs and they asked him if he had any metal on his body... I get it. He's not crying about it. He dealt with it and continued about his day.
 

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
Just thought I'd mention I've been here a week now and been asked to randomly go through a metal detector ONCE. It's not a big deal and if anything, with people finally getting the new MagicBand scanners at the park entry, my time from the bus to the inside of the theme park has improved over two years ago.
 

Stepmc

Member
As with any security measures as condition of admission, if the inconvenience of the inspection outweigh the value proposition of admission, you are free to not seek admission.

Some here feel that costume restrictions outweigh the value proposition of admission of the Halloween Party. As such, they are questioning/canceling plans to attend.
That's my point. I won't seek admission anymore. I just plan to tell them why in the hope that it will change a policy I don't like. I hope others will do the same and not just quietly stop going or limit their complaints to a message board. As to not going to places that are voluntary if you disagree with the terms of admission, pretty much every public place is voluntary. How many restrictions on where we can go comfortably should people who feel like I do accept before everyone else feels "safe?" Restaurants? Outdoor cafés? Grocery stores? Drug stores? Shopping malls? The library? Church?
 

Stepmc

Member
Yes
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Funny, when people were so self-concious about things.. we used to say 'get a tougher skin'
Now we say 'how can we bend everyone else to fit you'
But people who want the metal detectors want those who don't to just deal with it and bend to fit them, right? Why can't they get a tougher skin and quit being so afraid of every public space?
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
But people who want the metal detectors want those who don't to just deal with it and bend to fit them, right? Why can't they get a tougher skin and quit being so afraid of every public space?

Logic.. fail

But whatever.. for anyone who fears the trauma of going through a security screening.. please stay away. You wouldn't even be able to GOTO WORK at many places in this town if this experience makes you that uncomfortable. It's drama over nothing. Stop being so fragile.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
But people who want the metal detectors want those who don't to just deal with it and bend to fit them, right? Why can't they get a tougher skin and quit being so afraid of every public space?

Well..... I can't exactly say thats a fair statement, given what has transpired over the past five years. Elaborating further on my part takes this political and thats verboten around here....
 

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