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[fosse76]

(Woman approaches security post)
Woman: "I have a medical device that will set off the detectors."
Security: "Thank you."
(Scans woman and woman enters park)

Easy.



(Woman approaches security post)
Woman: "I have a medical device in my chest that will set off the detectors."
Security: "Thank you."
(Scans woman and woman enters park)

Easy.




(Woman approaches security post)
Woman: "I have a medical device in my chest that will set off the detectors."
Security: "Thank you. Nancy! Would you come over here to take care of this female. Thanks."
(Woman scans woman and woman enters park)

Easy.



Welcome to the world in which we live. If you are embarrassed by going through something like this in front of your children then you should probably not travel.



Again, welcome to the world in which we live. Yes. It is normal.



Maybe they will go to something else, but to act like they are going to go to full cavity searches is pretty extreme thinking. After all, that is along the way things are going in your perspective.



Let us know how that works out. While you fight the good fight I will comply and simply walk through a stupid metal detector and/or get wanded then go enjoy a theme park. We don't live in the 1800's. This is the reality that we DO live in. We as a people have created this reality by doing stupid crap like:
Los Angeles Times bombing
Wall Street bombing
Unabomber attacks
Attacks by the Jewish Defense League
Oklahoma City bombing
Centennial Olympic Park bombing
Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting
Southern California shootings
Boston Marathon bombing
Charleston South Carolina Church shooting
San Bernardino shooting

And those are just the people in THIS country trying to kill us.

You shout from the rooftops about the injustice of someone daring to scan you for metal. I'm going to go ride something.

NO ONE should be required to disclose bodily medical equipment to enter a theme park. If I had a prosthetic leg, it isn't Disney's business (only in the case in which there is a danger of having an artificial limb does Disney have any right to inquire about it, and entering the park is not one of them).

If you are afraid of being attacked in a public place maybe you should just stay home.

 

[wdisney9000]

 

[GrammieBee]

Good golly. This forum has become like arguing relegion, politics and gun control. No matter what your own point of view, others have a different point of view and don't hesitate to tell you how misguided you are. Some will vent and argue their point of view ad nauseum.
We get it! Some don't mind screening and/or feel it might at least do some good. Others feel it is a complete waste of time, stops nothing, and steps all over individual liberty and freedom.
Fortunately, or unfortunately, all of this back and forth has absolutely no impact on what Disney does,will do in the future, does not do now and in the future or how we each perceive and react to the world around us.

 

[s8film40]

NO ONE should be required to disclose bodily medical equipment to enter a theme park. If I had a prosthetic leg, it isn't Disney's business (only in the case in which there is a danger of having an artificial limb does Disney have any right to inquire about it, and entering the park is not one of them).

If you are afraid of being attacked in a public place maybe you should just stay home.

Agreed, the only right Disney has is to deny you access to their property anything else is just a request. Obviously they're trying to run a business and turning people away isn't good for that.

 

[AEfx]

Good golly. This forum has become like arguing relegion, politics and gun control. No matter what your own point of view, others have a different point of view and don't hesitate to tell you how misguided you are. Some will vent and argue their point of view ad nauseum.
We get it! Some don't mind screening and/or feel it might at least do some good. Others feel it is a complete waste of time, stops nothing, and steps all over individual liberty and freedom.
Fortunately, or unfortunately, all of this back and forth has absolutely no impact on what Disney does,will do in the future, does not do now and in the future or how we each perceive and react to the world around us.

Would you like a hand stepping down from that horse? It's awfully high, don't want you to fall or anything.

 

[s8film40]

Fortunately, or unfortunately, all of this back and forth has absolutely no impact on what Disney does,will do in the future, does not do now and in the future or how we each perceive and react to the world around us

This applies to pretty much every topic in this discussion forum. The only purpose the discussion has other than venting someone's frustration or showing appreciation is to as a group understand how and why these things work. A few people are contemplating discontinuing their business with Disney, that would have some impact although probably not much.

For me personally as a local it probably impacts me more as I often decide to go to the parks for an hour or only to do one thing. It seems this doesn't affect getting into the parks too much right now, because they went with a route that's ineffective from a security standpoint. If this changes and becomes something that adds longer waits then it becomes a big factor for me.

 

[G00fyDad]

That seems reasonable. Of course it assumes the people there know hot to operate and understand the machines.

I do think if someone were going to try to bring something in they would simply avoid the metal detectors altogether or hide it in something that isn't searched.

THAT is the real issue.

 

[G00fyDad]

Nice attempt at wit and deflection.

You still haven't answered his question....

I did answer it. Good try at wit on your end as well.

 

[G00fyDad]

This applies to pretty much every topic in this discussion forum. The only purpose the discussion has other than venting someone's frustration or showing appreciation is to as a group understand how and why these things work. A few people are contemplating discontinuing their business with Disney, that would have some impact although probably not much.

For me personally as a local it probably impacts me more as I often decide to go to the parks for an hour or only to do one thing. It seems this doesn't affect getting into the parks too much right now, because they went with a route that's ineffective from a security standpoint. If this changes and becomes something that adds longer waits then it becomes a big factor for me.

That is when it would get to be annoying for me too. If it took longer to get into the parks. The "intrusion" or "harassment" issue is just ridiculous in my opinion.

 

[GrammieBee]

Would you like a hand stepping down from that horse? It's awfully high, don't want you to fall or anything.

No thank you. The view is much better from up here.

 

[wdisney9000]

No thank you. The view is much better from up here.

So would you mind if the discussion continued? Seeing how discussion is the point of the forum, which you added to by stating your neutral stance on the issue, (which is perfectly fine). Or should the mods just close the whole site down because people have different opinions?

 

[wdisney9000]

I did answer it.

I never got an answer in regards to guns being made from stainless steel, amongst other metals that the magical metal detector wand can so easily distinguish between, or not even detect in the case of a 3-D printed weapon.

 

[flynnibus]

To those who fear being killed in a terrorist attack, please stay home instead. Then we won't need to have ineffective security measures to mollify the paranoid. You're more likely to be crushed by furniture than you are to be killed by a terrorist. Maybe Disney should remove all the furniture from their hotel rooms too. Everyone can just sleep in sleeping bags. You're more likely to die of a heart condition, maybe Disney should require doctor's notes before letting you on property.

This is hyperboyle and adds nothing to the actual discussion. It's fallacy to say 'its not 100% effective, so its pointless to do'.

And I wasn't discussing the effectiveness of the solution, but rather the absurdity of people acting out like they've been traumatized because they had to go through a security screening. Seriously... get out some more.

To goto a NFL game.. you get screened. To goto Kings Dominion.. you get screened. To goto the airport.. you get screened. To go on an international flight, you may get questioned in very awkward ways.. same thing with CBP. To goto the courthouse.. you get screened. To walk into any federal building... you get screened. You think this is bad... wait for the probe you get trying to enter many DoD buildings, or even civilian agencies now. It's a hassle, it may be ineffective, but no one is having a mental breakdown or crying in their pillow over it.

Those people are able to function and not have to go consult with their friends about how their feel weird and shamed because of it.

The reality is that a terrorist is not going to let these types of security measures stop them. Yet innocent people are being harassed and subjected to searches simply to appease fear mongerers or the overly paranoid. It doesn't matter how little time it takes or even how customer friendly the staff is. It is still an invasion. I'm happy for yopu that you don't mind being subjected to a search. I do mind. And while I stopped visiting WDW 2 years ago for other reasons, this nonsense would be a reason for me to consider not going.

Find my opinion on the effectiveness of this all the way back on page 1

If I were to be a gun toting terrorist.... Why would I walk through the front gate.... When there are hundreds of entry points where I can pose as almost anything and get onsite?

I think this is yet another 'show them something...'

Does anyone think it would be that hard for someone to simply get hired to work there and do something after simply getting backstage?

This kind of stuff isn't going to do anything to stop the determined... Only the irrational stupid ones. I bet they fear ex employees more than isis

I don't think this will stop the determined... but it does add value (just like Disney's past security was not 100% effective, but did add value in intercepting contraband). If you think that value is worth it, or you should just free-range things is a personal opinion.

This argument of 'if its not 100% prevention.. its pointless' is absurd though. It's why virtually every solution involves multiple elements and layers to try to achieve it's goals. Very rarely in any problem do you have a 'one answer solves all'.

I personally find the screening a negative to what should be a simple vacation experience... and I don't like it... but I'm not going to let myself be _hurt_ or offended by something as simple as being asked aside to go through some screening.

 

[G00fyDad]

I never got an answer in regards to guns being made from stainless steel, amongst other metals that the magical metal detector wand can so easily distinguish between, or not even detect in the case of a 3-D printed weapon.

Sorry. I didn't see that one.

Now you're talking about people that are going above and beyond. As it has been said here before, this system is not fool proof. The original post I was replying to talked about implant metal and the embarrassment/harassment issues. Not the sneakiness of someone determined to get a gun inside the parks. Do I think for even one minute that this is a great system? No. Disney is just trying to be seen doing something. That way they can sit back when/if something does happen and say "Well, we did what we could."

My entire personal issue with this whole thing is people that say their civil liberties are getting trampled on and coming up with scenarios to back up and bolster their high and mightier than thou sense of self-importance. These people want to have safety and security without giving up anything to get that security. Disney's metal detectors are not going to do much to prevent a real threat from a determined person/group, but it is at least something of a deterrent. I guarantee you that if something happened and Disney did not have this in place people would be flipping out because Disney didn't try to stop it.

 

[G00fyDad]

So would you mind if the discussion continued? Seeing how discussion is the point of the forum, which you added to by stating your neutral stance on the issue, (which is perfectly fine). Or should the mods just close the whole site down because people have different opinions?

MY point of view is the only point of view worth having!

/sarcasm

 

[ford91exploder]

So.... They made all the runners go thru a metal detector, right?

Speaking as one of the runners - NOPE, Just a cursory glance if we were not carrying a bag which I do not, Can't speak to the line where people brought bags with them.

 

[ford91exploder]

Guns and knives are made of many different types of metals....including stainless steel. And dont forget 3-D printers. So how will the "lady walking up to security" scenario play out now?

Ceramic knife will not be found by metal detector and easy to conceal even in long hair.

 

[Nubs70]

NO ONE should be required to disclose bodily medical equipment to enter a theme park. If I had a prosthetic leg, it isn't Disney's business (only in the case in which there is a danger of having an artificial limb does Disney have any right to inquire about it, and entering the park is not one of them).

If you are afraid of being attacked in a public place maybe you should just stay home.

But what if the prosthetic limb in my wife's purse goes off. Do they have a right to inquire?

 

[wdisney9000]

Sorry. I didn't see that one.

Now you're talking about people that are going above and beyond.

A person attempting or even planning to attempt get a gun into MK is already going above and beyond.

The original post I was replying to talked about implant metal and the embarrassment/harassment issues.

True, but you used the scenario of a woman approaching security to disclose her implant, which would result in security allowing her in and the problem was solved. This scenario was a defense as to why the metal detectors/wands are not a violation towards medical patients w/ implants and you even ended your statement with, "Easy. " in an effort to display how simple the system works. I merely pointed out how that same scenario would be an extremely easy way for a criminal to circumvent being detained with a weapon. You claimed the metal detectors would know the difference between a gun vs implant. I pointed out that they would not.

I was just curious to know what your response would be as to how Disney would scan a medical patient considering that it would not be as easy as your scenario described. A simple disclosure of having a medical chest implant would most likely not result in automatic admittance. Should Disney disrobe the person? (we all know that wouldnt happen) Should they ask for medical documentation? (that could easily be forged) Should Disney deny them entrance? Im honestly curious and not trying to be a smart ***. I appreciate that youve remained level headed in this discussion (as most of us have) which truly helps people understand each others viewpoints even if they disagree. Oddly enough, the only people acting upset are the ones asking people to stop talking about it.

 

[wdisney9000]

But what if the prosthetic limb in my wife's purse goes off. Do they have a right to inquire?

I had an old school phone with a long cord in my backpack when we entered AK. The security guard pulled it out with the most odd look on his face. I stood there in silence to see what his reaction would be or what questions he would have. After a brief moment of us akwardly starring at each other, he pretended to make a call on it to the other CM standing next to him. It was pretty funny. He put it back in my bag and told me how they see a lot of weird things in bags but it was definitely the first time he had seen that. He never asked why I had it.