G00fyDad
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Oh, you're still thinking about a theme park. I agree. That chance is very small. I was talking about people in general and their feelings on how safe they are in the day-to-day world.
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Oh, you're still thinking about a theme park. I agree. That chance is very small. I was talking about people in general and their feelings on how safe they are in the day-to-day world.
FigmentsFangirl
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So these things {trhe metal detectors run by an outside company when it SHOULD be Disney's own security} I take it are now perm ?
Now, if it is indeed perm, my only downside I am seeing is EXACTLY what Walt himself saw when he opened DL back in the 50s, he hired outside help, hired the parking from a differnet group, different security, he figured out in the FIRST MONTH OR SO alone that it didn't work, so he had his own guys trained, from janitorial to security to parking attendants to waitstaff. Having an outside company run part of security at Disney Parks is a dumb move; Walt's most likely making enough electrictical power to power Coruscant at this point
Now, if it is indeed perm, my only downside I am seeing is EXACTLY what Walt himself saw when he opened DL back in the 50s, he hired outside help, hired the parking from a differnet group, different security, he figured out in the FIRST MONTH OR SO alone that it didn't work, so he had his own guys trained, from janitorial to security to parking attendants to waitstaff. Having an outside company run part of security at Disney Parks is a dumb move; Walt's most likely making enough electrictical power to power Coruscant at this point
FigmentsFangirl
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In front of a height chart, maybe
FigmentsFangirl
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I wonder if Disney knows there is a loophole here
"Costumes that are layered {EG: Jedi ROBES}"
I bring this up because; WHAT exactly defines Jedi Robes ? Is it the brown hooded thing ? Or the tunic ? If I were to go to Disney dressed as a Jedi MINUS the brown overrobe, would I still be let in ? Possibly because it'd be considered normal clothing because it honestly looks like normal clothing if colored right, and depending on who wears it as well.
Just my two cents and confusion
"Costumes that are layered {EG: Jedi ROBES}"
I bring this up because; WHAT exactly defines Jedi Robes ? Is it the brown hooded thing ? Or the tunic ? If I were to go to Disney dressed as a Jedi MINUS the brown overrobe, would I still be let in ? Possibly because it'd be considered normal clothing because it honestly looks like normal clothing if colored right, and depending on who wears it as well.
Just my two cents and confusion
FigmentsFangirl
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So its not 100% confirmed that the detectors are staying ? I can understand no guns in the parks, toys and whatnot, that makes sense, but everything else...{apparently they allow swords, so I MIGHT bring along my lightsaber hilt...... or would that violate something ? But they really need to clear up what they mean by certain parts of costumes, {No masks, got it, no Jedi Robes.... wait what can you clearify why Obi-Wan and Luke aren't allowed in the parks anymore ?}} Does not make any sense
Plus the last time I was at Disney I saw a lot of people in their native clothing {and not just India or Chinese or the like, but Native Americans, facepaint and all; nothing against them mind you, my younger brother is adopted {he's Cherokee native but does not dress like a Native America, dresses more like a gangster in a nice zoot suit}}, so what will happen to those folks ? Will their clothing be mistaken for costumes because of the facepaint {which is part of their culture} or what ?
At least we've yet to get confirmation that the metal detectors are not 100% here for good
PhotoDave219
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In the end, where will it stop? What amount of security measures will need to be taken to make the most frightened individual "feel" safe? "Feeling" safe is merely an illusion. There is no guaranteed way to prevent bad things from happening. Disney could have EVERY security measure ever created to keep guns and weapons out of the parks but then something falls from the sky like a stray bullet fired into the air from miles away and it hits you or a sinkhole opens up on MSUSA, or even.... a fire on Seven Dwarves Mine Train
Shouldnt people be just as frightened by that as much as they are by a gun? Granted, the chances of those are unlikely, but theyre as likely as a mass shooting in Magic Kingdom, which hasnt happened either.No matter what they do, evil people will find away around it. If they stop guns, bad guys will use knives. If they stop knives, bad guys will use fire or explosives. If they find a way to stop that, the bad guys will use liquid stuff, then underwear boms and so on and so on.
I don't think it's confusing all all.
Costumes with layered clothing basically means any clothing that would allow you to hide a weapon or detonator/bomb jacket under it.
If you come in as a jedi without a brown hoodie or cape/robe then you should be fine.
Tigger1988
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Not sure how ther could be any confusion over what a Jedi robe is. It's a specific term.
MrHappy
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Since I don't wear costumes to the parks, nor do I care about an extra few minutes of waiting in lines for "security" before the actual fun begins and the "security" at the front gate is forgotten about.....I'm fine with whatever Disney feels they need to do. When I'm eating at BOG and riding Pirates, the "extra security" and thought that an adult was denied his/her Jedi robe or Elsa dress is loooonnngggg forgotten.
Perhaps its easy to forget once your in the parks. However, what about the larger picture at play? Not just Disney, but everywhere. People are too quick too say, "this is the world we live in now", and excuse it all. IMO, it is only the world we live in because we allow it. And thats not a vote for everybody to tote their .357 into MK either. Its simply allowing the fear mongering to win by accepting the fact that everybody is now guilty until proven innocent.
The people of this world that are for peace and happiness FAR outweigh those who would desire terror and fear, yet we allow them to have the upper hand by capitulating. The evil people in the world NEED us to not trust each other to the point where everybody thinks everybody is possibly a bad guy and eventually we live in a world where you are scared of your own neighbors. While we are not there quite yet, just look how much the world has changed since the Twin Towers in every aspect from flying in airplane to our own gov spying on its citizens. Nothing has gotten better, only more rules and more fear. That was 15 years ago and we "allowed" all the extra security in our every day lives but its only gotten worse.
So while people are eating at BOG and riding POTC not caring that they had to go thru metal detectors that day, its at the expense of allowing a new "world we live in" to be created. A world that their children and grandchildren will be a part of and who will most likely have to go through much more than a metal detector when they take their children to WDW. That is if we are not at Thunder Dome level by then.
I couldn't agree more! But we need to stop capitulating or our kids will be going through much worse just to go to any public place. If, as I do, you oppose this change to Disney, let them know, LOUD AND CLEAR. Protest with your pocketbook and let them know if you're reconsidering a trip. It has to stop somewhere, or there will be no end to it.
note2001
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So, did you cancel a booked trip due to these new security screening stations?
I appreciate your enthusiasm but you cant blame Disney for (as @EOD K9 mentioned ), they are simply mitigating what they can. They must cater to both those who are afraid of terror and those who wish to fight it. Denying them my money would solve nothing and quite frankly be another win for evil in the world. I wont blame Disney and its even more difficult to blame the guests. I blame the fear pron that the media pushes every day to frighten people into capitulation. Its a shame that we can longer rely on the professionals who are supposed to provide us with reliable information and not agendas of political endeavors.
PhotoDave219
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My gut feeling says they are here to stay.
twilight mitsuk
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They were trained to allow native attire as part of this policy
draybook
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We will be, if they disallow costumes on people 14+ at the Halloween parties. I've already notified them and we're waiting to see what their policy says.
Andrew C
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This is about where I'm drawing the line myself. Let the costumes live on during MNSSHP
We were going to book one for the spring and didn't until we see if these are permanent. If they are, we'll let them know we changed our plans because of it, and they can see how often we've stayed in the past, so they'll see they're losing regular visitors. Probably won't make a bit of difference if the powers that be want them to stay, but at least it's a mild protest.