EPCOT New Play Pavilion to replace Epcot's Wonders of Life

MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

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22FLknight said:
They have been completely silent about it. A lot like Spaceship Earth’s permanently shelved refurbishment. Budget cuts.
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Silence can mean a project is cancelled. Or not. Disney is under no obligation to give updates.

Therefore, silence is meaningless.

(Cf. the long whined-for Thor 4 trailer, in which silence there was rampant and completely false speculation that the movie would be delayed.)
 
FigmentJedi

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Henry Mystic said:
I would've actually really liked a Pym Tech-sponsored pavilion; would've even worked to re-introduce a new Body Wars type ride and port over the popular Pym Tech Kitchen from California. No idea why they didn't do that to Play! Or even say a Big hero 6-themed mock-expo.
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Ant-Man and the Wasp are Universal controlled since in comic books, they were founding Avengers members.
 
Cmdr_Crimson

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FigmentJedi said:
Ant-Man and the Wasp are Universal controlled since in comic books, they were founding Avengers members.
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All of the Marvel characters Universal can use can be seen in the Metorite strike directly in front of Amazing Adventures of Spiderman on the island..Which is pretty interesting to see what Disney can't use..
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doctornick

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Cmdr_Crimson said:
All of the Marvel characters Universal can use can be seen in the Metorite strike directly in front of Amazing Adventures of Spiderman on the island..Which is pretty interesting to see what Disney can't use..
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I don't think that's true at all. the panels feature some characters that are not "in substantial use" or part of any restricted "families" that would prevent their use elsewhere. Just using the image you are showing here, for example, I would be confident that the Inhumans (except perhaps Crystal and maybe Medusa) would be able to be used at WDW.

Just having a character's image at Uni is not enough to make them off limit.
 
Cmdr_Crimson

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doctornick said:
I don't think that's true at all. the panels feature some characters that are not "in substantial use" or part of any restricted "families" that would prevent their use elsewhere. Just using the image you are showing here, for example, I would be confident that the Inhumans (except perhaps Crystal and maybe Medusa) would be able to be used at WDW.

Just having a character's image at Uni is not enough to make them off limit.
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Well, just incase here's the jist of the East of The Mississippi contract...
EAST OF THE MISSISSIPPI – ANY OTHER THEME PARK IS LIMITED TO USING CHARACTERS NOT CURRENTLY BEING USED BY MCA AT THE TIME SUCH OTHER LICENSE IS GRANTED. [FOR PURPOSE OF THIS SUBSECTION AND SUBSECTION IV, A CHARACTER IS “BEING USED BY MCA” IF (X) IT OR ANOTHER CHARACTER OF THE SAME “FAMILY” (E.G., ANY MEMBER OF THE FANTASTIC FOUR, THE AVENGERS OR VILLAINS ASSOCIATED WITH A HERO BEING USED) IS MORE THAN AN INCIDENTAL ELEMENT OF AN ATTRACTION, IS PRESENTED AS A COSTUMED CHARACTER, OR IS MORE THAN AN INCIDENTAL ELEMENT OF THE THEMING OF A RETAIL STORE OR FOOD FACILITY;

From that I believe means is that any character being shown within said park can't be used at WDW..Not sure how it complies with the Marvel super hero store At the springs as many of the characters are representend inside..
 
MagicHappens1971

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Cmdr_Crimson said:
Well, just incase here's the jist of the East of The Mississippi contract...
EAST OF THE MISSISSIPPI – ANY OTHER THEME PARK IS LIMITED TO USING CHARACTERS NOT CURRENTLY BEING USED BY MCA AT THE TIME SUCH OTHER LICENSE IS GRANTED. [FOR PURPOSE OF THIS SUBSECTION AND SUBSECTION IV, A CHARACTER IS “BEING USED BY MCA” IF (X) IT OR ANOTHER CHARACTER OF THE SAME “FAMILY” (E.G., ANY MEMBER OF THE FANTASTIC FOUR, THE AVENGERS OR VILLAINS ASSOCIATED WITH A HERO BEING USED) IS MORE THAN AN INCIDENTAL ELEMENT OF AN ATTRACTION, IS PRESENTED AS A COSTUMED CHARACTER, OR IS MORE THAN AN INCIDENTAL ELEMENT OF THE THEMING OF A RETAIL STORE OR FOOD FACILITY;

From that I believe means is that any character being shown within said park can't be used at WDW..Not sure how it complies with the Marvel super hero store At the springs as many of the characters are representend inside..
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Disney Springs is not a park, that is the answer to your question.
 
MKeeler

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There are a couple of additional wrinkles in the contract where a Disney can’t use the word Marvel in promotion in the parks. So that’s why the store is Super Hero Headquarters instead of Marvel HQ. So definitely no Art of Marvel hotel at WDW, but maybe an Art of Comics hotel.
 
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doctornick

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Cmdr_Crimson said:
Well, just incase here's the jist of the East of The Mississippi contract...
EAST OF THE MISSISSIPPI – ANY OTHER THEME PARK IS LIMITED TO USING CHARACTERS NOT CURRENTLY BEING USED BY MCA AT THE TIME SUCH OTHER LICENSE IS GRANTED. [FOR PURPOSE OF THIS SUBSECTION AND SUBSECTION IV, A CHARACTER IS “BEING USED BY MCA” IF (X) IT OR ANOTHER CHARACTER OF THE SAME “FAMILY” (E.G., ANY MEMBER OF THE FANTASTIC FOUR, THE AVENGERS OR VILLAINS ASSOCIATED WITH A HERO BEING USED) IS MORE THAN AN INCIDENTAL ELEMENT OF AN ATTRACTION, IS PRESENTED AS A COSTUMED CHARACTER, OR IS MORE THAN AN INCIDENTAL ELEMENT OF THE THEMING OF A RETAIL STORE OR FOOD FACILITY;

From that I believe means is that any character being shown within said park can't be used at WDW..Not sure how it complies with the Marvel super hero store At the springs as many of the characters are representend inside..
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The portion of the contract you quoted literally defines "being used" as "more than an incidental element" [emphasis mine]. An image being shown on a mural is the very definition of incidental element and wouldn't fall to the level of "being used" by Universal and (thus) being prohibited elsewhere East of the Mississippi.

Substantial use would be the characters used for rides (Spider-Man, Hulk, Storm, Dr. Doom) and restaurants (Captain America, Fantastic Four) plus the walk around characters. And then the "families" of those characters are also restricted.

Edit: for anyone curious, here is the full contract that is available to the public.
 
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danlb_2000

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doctornick said:
I don't think that's true at all. the panels feature some characters that are not "in substantial use" or part of any restricted "families" that would prevent their use elsewhere. Just using the image you are showing here, for example, I would be confident that the Inhumans (except perhaps Crystal and maybe Medusa) would be able to be used at WDW.

Just having a character's image at Uni is not enough to make them off limit.
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I think this is one of those things that has been repeated so many time that people have accepted it as true, but I don't know that there is any proof it is true. We know characters being on the panels is not enough, so the only argument that could be made is that Universal only put the characters they had the rights to on the panels, but it's no even clear if that is the case.
 
danlb_2000

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MKeeler said:
There are a couple of additional wrinkles in the contract where a Disney can’t use the word Marvel in promotion in the parks. So that’s why the store is Super Hero Headquarters instead of Marvel HQ. So definitely no Art of Marvel hotel at WDW, but maybe an Art of Comics hotel.
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At one point the sign for the store didn't reference Marvel but that changed a while back.

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Epcot82Guy

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We also don't know the licensing happening behind the scenes. Disney could easily have a one-off license to each of these uses for a fee. Just because it appears at WDW doesn't mean it "doesn't fit in the restriction." The signage restriction could actually be true (not saying it is), and the exceptions are being licensed back to Disney (Marvel). And, that may not be material to the point of disclosure on an 8-K/10-Q/10-K.
 

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