News New Play Pavilion to replace Epcot's Wonders of Life

[build_it]

If Bill Murray pops into this thread, I'll have confirmation this thread is stuck in a Groundhogs Day cycle....

 

[Casper Gutman]

Get over it. Epcot® is a registered trademark of the Disney company who defines its meaning.

This is not how cultural meaning is defined. Not even remotely.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I know that I am ----ing in the wind here, but I still say that it makes no sense that they can't use Nat Geo as an IP basis (if they need one) to bring back the "wonder" in Epcot attractions. Not to mention producing a Discovery-like television show (streaming or network, either one) at Epcot about the wonders of life and other amazing things that would build on the Epcot vision and "brand". It is still able to strong, if they let it.

They're just lazy.

NatGeo is involved with the Cosmos reboot. Despite the fact that nobody likes learning anymore, A Spacetime Odyssey did well in the ratings and a second season is in production.

This is not how cultural meaning is defined. Not even remotely.

You mean you didn’t love “New” Coke since it was given the name of the Coca-Cola you previously enjoyed?

 

[networkpro]

This is not how cultural meaning is defined. Not even remotely.

Oh please, you can do better than that. Culture is values, beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that people share and use on a daily basis. Tell me how a single commercial amusement park defined norms or behaviors? Epcot had a mission statement and a vision statement which was purely aspirational, but not a culture.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Oh please, you can do better than that. Culture is values, beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that people share and use on a daily basis. Tell me how a single commercial amusement park defined norms or behaviors? Epcot had a mission statement and a vision statement which was purely aspirational, but not a culture.

I don’t even understand what you’re trying to say here. Are you genuinely arguing that EPCOT had no broader cultural impact?

 

[WondersOfLife]

Do you expect Mickey Mouse in every Disney movie? Does Donald Duck belong in Frozen?

I expect that with Kingdom Keepers the same way I expect It with their theme parks.

 

[WondersOfLife]

I guess I'll say for a third time that nobody is asking for 1982 Epcot to come back verbatim. Hell, I wasn't even born until nearly 5 years after that.

We want Disney to stick to the mission of the park. To inspire awe and celebrate man's achievements while looking optimistically toward the future. The world and especially the nation have never needed something like that more than now. We actually yearn for the park to continue changing and evolving and updating, but within the tenets upon which it was designed.

If that isn't clear to you from me literally saying it multiple times and laying out exactly what Epcot "purists" actually want, then I'm out of efforts.

The fact that you refuse to acknowledge anything I'm actually saying and keep beating the same false assumption to death kinda makes this a pointless discussion.

...and I'm great, thanks. But I would always take a Snickers bar, duh.

You remind me of when I was 12 on these forums.

 

[networkpro]

I don’t even understand what you’re trying to say here. Are you genuinely arguing that EPCOT had no broader cultural impact?

It's an ongoing business venture that has remained open as an entertainment venue. Over time some of its offerings have changed. Part of its intellectual property is the registered trademark Epcot®.

 

[Casper Gutman]

It's an ongoing business venture that has remained open as an entertainment venue. Over time some of its offerings have changed. Part of its intellectual property is the registered trademark Epcot®.

Books are words on pieces of paper which are bound together. Movies are light projected on a flat screen. Statues are substances shaped in particular ways.

 

[Missing20K]

Uh.... okay.

The original comment for you to tell Iger was a joke.

Let's try this again. What makes you think that results are always assured? What makes you think that you can tell what the intention was from what happened after?

You seem to be equating your own personal disappointment with actual mistakes and failure.

Try what again? Where exactly did I say results are always assured? Please link.

Hmmm, how does one tell the intention from what happened after? Seriously? You're asking me to explain cause and effect? No thanks.

And I personally couldn't care less what happens to ESPN. No idea where you came up with that. I was simply pointing out the mistakes they made that all of Wall Street also said they have made.

Me too. I think if we could strike a better balance between the news and rumors that we've heard from reliable sources and our personal reactions to the information we're discovering, that'll be better.

Personal reactions to the news and rumors are the reason for the forum existing. Otherwise we could all just read the latest Disney news on any number of fan sites.

Get over it. Epcot® is a registered trademark of the Disney company who defines its meaning.

I literally said "prefer". I'm well aware Disney is able to do whatever they want with their parks and trademarks. And I'm also allowed to complain about it.

Isn't 'murica awesome?

 

[Phicinfan]

"Good enough" has been made "good enough" because of what I tend to believe more and more each day - People are dumb.

And "good enough" with consumer products means you get a lesser-quality product at a lower price (and I don't agree with that trend, either). That is definitely NOT the case with a Disney theme park, where a premium is being charged. But hey, the quarterly financials look good and shareholders and stock analysts are happy, and that's all that matters.

Spoken like someone who is not in the industry. Market forces us to come up with better products at lower prices to fix their margins, you can't put crap out and get business. You lose customers and consumers that way.

 

[networkpro]

Books are words on pieces of paper which are bound together. Movies are light projected on a flat screen. Statues are substances shaped in particular ways.

Innaccurate, shall I get you a box of crayons for your books or an active matrix LED screen ?

 

[tomast]

Many members on this forum are stuck in a nostalgic phase of what Epcot once was/could have been/will never be anymore.

I really don´t care that much. As I always said, my favorite park was DHS with all the magic of making the films, the props and all that. But nowadays I am also happy with the SW land, things need to move foward and to adapt to the new style.

With that said, Nowadays there is a trend in retro/vintage style. And I think EPCOT could easily transform with that in mind and make something unique. and not another generic park.

The unique style of the retro/vintage coke machine, Volkwagen Kombi, the SMEG apliances, The GM Futureliner!!!

and I found EPCOT center ( and original tomorroland) to fit that style in a great way. And they can bring that together to make something unique and oustanding.

.

 

[Castle Cake Apologist]

You remind me of when I was 12 on these forums.

Actually, I'm pretty concisely laying out my opinion and trying to clarify what is clearly a misassumption on your part (which is obviously willful ignorance at this point). You're choosing to ignore everything being said to you and needlessly throwing out insults.
So, I'd love for you to expand on your comment here. However, I'm sure I'll just get another condescending remark as you continue to ignore everything I'm saying and stoop to one of the worst debate tactics known to man. Your comment is actually humorous, because you're legitimately acting like a 12 year old. This is how children argue.

 

[eliza61nyc]

Spoken like someone who is not in the industry. Market forces us to come up with better products at lower prices to fix their margins, you can't put crap out and get business. You lose customers and consumers that way.

lol, it's more of "He doesn't like the direction so of course the reason is people are dumb". Dumb or not, they are consumers with money to spend and they want something to do in the parks. They are not to dumb to recognize that empty buildings don't keep the kiddies happy

 

[eliza61nyc]

Now back to happier stuff. Play Pavilion, what I think might be in there.

No, I don't believe play pavilion is going to be a glorified meet n greet, but I am also not expecting innoventions or disneyquest levels of interaction either. What I expect to be there is some smaller interactive things. Like a dance room, maybe a theater simulator ride or similar, a rest area for kids, etc.

I was thinking it maybe like the area at the exit of Mission space before you hit the gift shop. where there is interactive stuff. that could be interesting for the kiddies.

 

[HauntedPirate]

Spoken like someone who is not in the industry. Market forces us to come up with better products at lower prices to fix their margins, you can't put crap out and get business. You lose customers and consumers that way.

Right. And yet manufacturers have reduced quality for years. An HVAC guy I knew said appliance manufacturers don't design their products to last longer than 7 years anymore, because some survey said that's when a "typical consumer" replaces them. Prices go up, quality and craftsmanship goes down. T-shirts used to last years, now you're lucky if they last 2 before you get a hole. It's no longer about providing quality goods, it's about making sure margins satisfy some bozo stock analyst.

 

[HauntedPirate]

lol, it's more of "He doesn't like the direction so of course the reason is people are dumb". Dumb or not, they are consumers with money to spend and they want something to do in the parks. They are not to dumb to recognize that empty buildings don't keep the kiddies happy

As I've said before, throw GotG in DHS and you won't hear people complaining. If you want to continue throwing out that red herring, feel free. It only further cements the reputation you've built.

 

[Phicinfan]

Right. And yet manufacturers have reduced quality for years. An HVAC guy I knew said appliance manufacturers don't design their products to last longer than 7 years anymore, because some survey said that's when a "typical consumer" replaces them. Prices go up, quality and craftsmanship goes down. T-shirts used to last years, now you're lucky if they last 2 before you get a hole. It's no longer about providing quality goods, it's about making sure margins satisfy some bozo stock analyst.

Well that confirms that for all industries huh? Great insight there. Not all manufacturers are reducing quality, that is a blatant broad brushing of industry in general, and is inaccurate.

 

[Castle Cake Apologist]

As I've said before, throw GotG in DHS and you won't hear people complaining. If you want to continue throwing out that red herring, feel free. It only further cements the reputation you've built.

That seems to be the only debate tactic that they know. Setting up straw men and stooping to ad hominem attacks.