Rumor New Monorails Coming Soon?

[kpilcher]

Via twitter:

@[B]ScottGustin[/B] 2h2 hours ago

About the monorail door incident at Disney’s Grand Floridian earlier today:
......what we MAY be missing here in this whole jump to conclusions thing is whether or not photos were taken at a point where they decided it would be better to push the door out and remove it from the outside vs. trying to get it back inside and/or drive it back to the station in that condition.

That description jives nicely with what Disney told us late this afternoon: that the scooter did not cause the door to come off of its hinges.

 

[s8film40]

A Disney spokesperson says the door was being repaired, after it was hit by a motorized scooter when a passenger was boarding the stationary train. ​

So, it was banged into at loading, damaged in some way, and then removed by maintenance.

In the process of removal, someone takes a snapshot of the door hanging off the monorail and everyone supposes an EVC rammed open the door from the inside breaking several bolts like they were the Hulk in a wheelchair.

That’s not the way I read it. They wouldn’t remove a “damaged” door in that way. It seems the damage was the door was knocked off and left dangling. If the door was in place but damaged they would’ve moved the train to the next station where they could more easily access it. They dispatched a bucket truck and because of that obviously had to shut off power to the system. That process is very lengthy and would shut down service for both Express and Resort for a while.

 

[MisterPenguin]

That’s not the way I read it. They wouldn’t remove a “damaged” door in that way. It seems the damage was the door was knocked off and left dangling. If the door was in place but damaged they would’ve moved the train to the next station where they could more easily access it. They dispatched a bucket truck and because of that obviously had to shut off power to the system. That process is very lengthy and would shut down service for both Express and Resort for a while.

Wouldn't they also just remove the door if it was so damaged it wouldn't close? And how does someone boarding yank a door off its hinges?

 

[trainplane3]

A Disney spokesperson says the door was being repaired, after it was hit by a motorized scooter when a passenger was boarding the stationary train. ​

So, it was banged into at loading, damaged in some way, and then removed by maintenance.

In the process of removal, someone takes a snapshot of the door hanging off the monorail and everyone supposes an EVC rammed open the door from the inside breaking several bolts like they were the Hulk in a wheelchair.

Not to add to the panic here (and I know you're just relaying Disney's statement) but it sure does seem weird to shut down power to the system to repair a door. Surely they could've emptied the monorail and limped it backstage to carry out repairs. If they were repairing it on the spot, this just doesn't look good no matter what happened (the door broke off/was only damaged but still attached/etc).

And wouldn't you be able to remove the door from above or do you have to remove panels under the monorail to take it off? (Not familiar obviously. I should buy that "How to repair monorails for dummies" book one day)

If I were a regular park goer and saw a truck under the monorail while a door was hanging, I wouldn't be thinking "oh this is normal".

 

[s8film40]

Wouldn't they also just remove the door if it was so damaged it wouldn't close? And how does someone boarding yank a door off its hinges?

If that were the case they could’ve simply removed it and pulled it inside with no need for a bucket truck. In my experience when a door has been significantly damaged in the past they would ensure no guests were in the car and a maintenance person would ride in the car to hold the door closed.

 

[THE Monorail Lime]

I do not have to worry about MY Monorail

 

[Goofyernmost]

I am 100% for more panic if it means these trains are replaced sooner than later.

They won't be, all it will do is to unnecessarily suppress the enjoyment of people that are concerned, even though no one has even been injured that we know of. Without the actual facts it is just people throwing out ideas about what is good or bad or fault or accident. We may never know, but, I can assure you that it will not put any speed on the purchase of new ones until they are ready to do it anyway.

 

[Lensman]

Craaaaappp, yea, you're right.

Correct thing would be 368.74 x 2.24 = 825.98 N. And while it doesn't tell us if it can or can't push open the door, it does help point to a possible malfunction as it shouldn't be able to under normal conditions.

This is also still not correct. One shouldn't just substitute velocity for acceleration (or in this case deceleration). By doing so you make the assumption that the ECV was decelerated by the door over the course of one second, which is obviously way too long. For a variety of reasons, we can estimate this at a tenth of a second. Your corrected force value would be about 8000 Newtons or about 1800 pounds, well short of the shearing strength of even a single grade 5 fastener which is something like 3600 pounds.

Note: I wouldn't pretend to be an expert at these matters but I just wanted to note that our group analysis needs improvement.

 

[backwoodsfarm]

The OP is very pertinent. Maybe there will be an answer soon.

OP?

 

[LukeS7]

This is also still not correct. One shouldn't just substitute velocity for acceleration (or in this case deceleration). By doing so you make the assumption that the ECV was decelerated by the door over the course of one second, which is obviously way too long. For a variety of reasons, we can estimate this at a tenth of a second. Your corrected force value would be about 8000 Newtons or about 1800 pounds, well short of the shearing strength of even a single grade 5 fastener which is something like 3600 pounds.

Note: I wouldn't pretend to be an expert at these matters but I just wanted to note that our group analysis needs improvement.

Wasn’t subbing velocity for acceleration, though I was calculating it wrong still (I was calculating the force moving the scooter, not the force of the collision, yay for last having done physics 7 years ago ). The acceleration was factoring that the scooter could reach its top speed in 1 second. Again, wrong calculation, but it wasn’t just a straight sub of the velocity for acceleration. Sorry everyone! (Because it’s the Internet, I feel I should clarify, that last bit isn’t sarcasm)

 

[MisterPenguin]

OP?

Either Original Post, i.e., the first post of the thread, or, Original Poster, i.e., the first person who started the thread.

 

[monothingie]

New Monorails Coming Soon Thread Update

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Next Update: In Theory Relatively soon.

 

[Moneyball]

Hey everyone - long time stalker, first time poster. I was on the monorail today that had the door blown off! It was a fun motor scooter that was a bit too ambitious with the reverse button at the Grand Floridian. The nice old lady who did it had no remorse - saying “that’s all it took?”

It was back up in an hour

Thanks all for entertaining me for over 5 years! Marni - keep dropping knowledge!

 

[monothingie]

Side note, I don’t think it was mentioned, but media is saying it was monorail Lime.

Which if i recall just came back from a refurb.

(Side note, Does anyone know if it came back with white or blue deltas?)

 

[trainplane3]

Side note, I don’t think it was mentioned, but media is saying it was monorail Lime.

Which if i recall just came back from a refurb.

(Side note, Does anyone know if it came back with white or blue deltas?)

I swear I saw lime when I was down there and it had white deltas. I was looking for the blue and green combo. This was about 3 weeks ago though, so I could be out of date.

 

[monothingie]

I swear I saw lime when I was down there and it had white deltas. I was looking for the blue and green combo. This was about 3 weeks ago though, so I could be out of date.

I saw it on the paint beam in September and it had white deltas. But other members have said blue was in.

 

[trainplane3]

I saw it on the paint beam in September and it had white deltas. But other members have said blue was in.

Is this green or lime? Pretty sure this is green so I'm probably wrong about the delta question. This is from the 26th.

 

[monothingie]

Is this green or lime? Pretty sure this is green so I'm probably wrong about the delta question. This is from the 26th.

Green

 

[trainplane3]

Green

Welp in that case, I didn't see Lime down there. Sorry about the confusion.

On that note, wouldn't it have been monorail Green and not Lime like the media are saying? I'm not going off of much but the green of the WDW logo at the front looks closer to Green then it does Lime (unless the shadow is throwing the colors off).

Makes more sense it's Green if Lime is still being painted/worked on.

 

[monothingie]

Welp in that case, I didn't see Lime down there. Sorry about the confusion.

On that note, wouldn't it have been monorail Green and not Lime like the media are saying? I'm not going off of much but the green of the WDW logo at the front looks closer to Green then it does Lime (unless the shadow is throwing the colors off).

Makes more sense it's Green if Lime is still being painted/worked on.

I’m just going by what was reported. It is quite possible they got it wrong, I just don’t know.