New MARVEL attractions to Disney Parks

[lebeau]

There is an entirely new generation of people being born who will not know the difference between 'new' Marvel and what is considered 'classic' Marvel.

And any 'new' Marvel can be used anywhere Disney decides. Including WDW.

Given Marvel's incredible track record for creating new characters (in the 1960's) they should have no problem coming up with popular new characters who are not affiliated with the Avengers, Spider-man, the X-Men or the Fantastic Four. Let's look at all the super-popular character Marvel created just last year.

There's... well.... um...

Okay, let's go back farther. 5 years! Surely in five years Marvel has created enough characters to fill an entire theme park, right? Right?

*sound of crickets chirping*

Seriously? Nothing in five years? The Runaways were 2006? AND they were affiliated with the Avengers? (Not to mention the fact that most people reading this post have no idea who they are and they are probably the most viable new creation Marvel has created since 2006....)

*nervous sweating*

Hey, look, jt is telling me Marvel can just crank out new characters at will. There is no way he is just pulling that theory out of thin air despite decades of history to the contrary. I mean, he's jt! (must fight urge to post eye roll icon!)

So 10 years. In the last decade, I bet Marvel has created a whole bunch of iconic characters. So we've got...

Bueller?

Nobody? Seriously? Nothing! The last really popular Marvel character was created decades ago? And it's not just Marvel but the entire industry which has failed to create popular new characters for decades?

Well, I guess they are due.



(couldn't resist)

 

[fosse76]

why shouldn't Disney buy Universal Flordia.. and why not over just a couple of movies.. this would give them control of Marvel and Harry Potter.

Actually, it doesn't. They lose Harry Potter if they sell the park. It was mentioned in quite a few articles regarding WWoHP. The new "owner" would have to re-negotiate with Warner Bros. and JK Rowling.

 

[jt04]

Given Marvel's incredible track record for creating new characters (in the 1960's) they should have no problem coming up with popular new characters who are not affiliated with the Avengers, Spider-man, the X-Men or the Fantastic Four. Let's look at all the super-popular character Marvel created just last year.

There's... well.... um...

Okay, let's go back farther. 5 years! Surely in five years Marvel has created enough characters to fill an entire theme park, right? Right?

*sound of crickets chirping*

Seriously? Nothing in five years? The Runaways were 2006? AND they were affiliated with the Avengers? (Not to mention the fact that most people reading this post have no idea who they are and they are probably the most viable new creation Marvel has created since 2006....)

*nervous sweating*

Hey, look, jt is telling me Marvel can just crank out new characters at will. There is no way he is just pulling that theory out of thin air despite decades of history to the contrary. I mean, he's jt! (must fight urge to post eye roll icon!)

So 10 years. In the last decade, I bet Marvel has created a whole bunch of iconic characters. So we've got...

Bueller?

Nobody? Seriously? Nothing! The last really popular Marvel character was created decades ago? And it's not just Marvel but the entire industry which has failed to create popular new characters for decades?

Well, I guess they are due.



(couldn't resist)

It has been my experience new ownership and/or management structure (not to mention being a well capitalized one) can be a powerful motivator for those who notice.

 

[71jason]

Nobody? Seriously? Nothing! The last really popular Marvel character was created decades ago? And it's not just Marvel but the entire industry which has failed to create popular new characters for decades?

Well, I guess they are due.



(couldn't resist)

They've just been biding their time--they've known since the 1970s they'd be bought up by Disney. Forget the revenue streams they could have had from comics/toys/movies...now that they can make theme park ride money, it's time to get serious.

 

[lebeau]

It has been my experience new ownership and/or management structure (not to mention being a well capitalized one) can be a powerful motivator for those who notice.

It has nothing to do with management. It is the nature of the beast. Something you would understand if you had any idea how the industry worked.

No one has successfully introduced a mainstream character without linking it to an existing franchise in decades. Super hero fans are not interested in new super heroes. Some readers will give a new character a chance, but most would rather read about Batman, Superman, Spider-man or Wolverine.

So, comic book publishers introduce new characters in existing families. a new X-Man or Avenger has a pretty decent shot of developing a following. But Generic Super Hero Man who is completely cut off from the rest of the Marvel Universe doesn't stand a chance.

I'm going to start a new post here because I am switching gears...

 

[lebeau]

They've just been biding their time--they've known since the 1970s they'd be bought up by Disney. Forget the revenue streams they could have had from comics/toys/movies...now that they can make theme park ride money, it's time to get serious.

:sohappy:

Makes perfect sense.

 

[ChrisFL]

why shouldn't Disney buy Universal Flordia.. and why not over just a couple of movies.. this would give them control of Marvel and Harry Potter.

That's literally the worst thing that could happen to Disney. Competition drives innovation and opens new attractions...Disney is slow enough as it is, if they bought the Universal parks, it would be worse.

 

[jt04]

It has nothing to do with management. It is the nature of the beast. Something you would understand if you had any idea how the industry worked.

No one has successfully introduced a mainstream character without linking it to an existing franchise in decades. Super hero fans are not interested in new super heroes. Some readers will give a new character a chance, but most would rather read about Batman, Superman, Spider-man or Wolverine.

So, comic book publishers introduce new characters in existing families. a new X-Man or Avenger has a pretty decent shot of developing a following. But Generic Super Hero Man who is completely cut off from the rest of the Marvel Universe doesn't stand a chance.

I'm going to start a new post here because I am switching gears...

Amazing how you have decided what people not even conceived yet are already thinking. You must be magical.

 

[lebeau]

Marvel actually owns an entire eniverse worth of characters which I am fairly confident they could use in WDW if they really wanted to. In the 90s, there were a lot of upstart comic book publishers trying to be the next big thing. Image comics was successful, although most of their super hero titles have fallen by the wayside. But other publishers tried to follow in Image's footsteps.

One of the most successful (which is to say not very successful at all) was the Ultraverse. They actually had some talented creators on those books. Marvel was at a real low point creatively. So, they decided to buy the Ultraverse. At first, they promised to keep they two universes separate. It wasn't long before they integrated the Ultraverse into the Marvel Universe. And some Ultraverse characters joined the Avengers for a short while.

If Disney really wanted to, they could probably dust off most of those Ultraverse characters and use them in WDW. With few exceptions, they would not be considered part of any existing families. The problem is, aside from a small group of people who read upstart comics in the 90s, most people would have no idea who these guys were.

Would you want to visit a theme park based around these guys?

 

[lebeau]

Amazing how you have decided what people not even conceived yet are already thinking. You must be magical.

jt, you are making less sense than ever.

seriously, wth are you talking about? :shrug:

 

[jt04]

jt, you are making less sense than ever.

seriously, wth are you talking about? :shrug:

You talk like there are a set of rules Marvel has to abide by from now until the end of time.

I am just suggesting you be a bit more flexible in your thinking. Companies that are not evolving do not last. It is not just a poor business model it is one that promises failure.

There is not limit to what Marvel can create IMO. The entire genre can be reimagined. It is probably necessary for it to remain a creative force.

 

[lebeau]

You talk like there are a set of rules Marvel has to abide by from now until the end of time.

I am just suggesting you be a bit more flexible in your thinking. Companies that are not evolving do not last. It is not just a poor business model it is one that promises failure.

There is not limit to what Marvel can create IMO. The entire genre can be reimagined. It is probably necessary for it to remain a creative force.

Well, the comic book industry is shrinking. It's been dying for years. They have been trying (and failing) to evolve for a long, long time. And not just Marvel, DC as well.

Can I see the future? No. It's possible that the entire comic book industry will be revolutionized some time in the distant future.

All I can do is look at the past and the present. Looking at the last 20 years or so and what is going on right now, there is no reason to think that Marvel is going to create any popular new characters outside of their existing properties any time in the near future.

If you're talking about the far future and generations that haven't even been born yet, okay, sure. Anything is possible. By then, Disney may have bought the rights back. Or we could all be ruled by talking apes. Which is more likely? You decide.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It has been my experience new ownership and/or management structure (not to mention being a well capitalized one) can be a powerful motivator for those who notice.

Except that the new ownership structure is not a creative one. If Iger was capable of creating an atmosphere that could create the desired content, there would have been no need to buy Pixar or Marvel. The interest was not in the "limitless possibilities of the future which will now happen" (is there a new sheriff at Marvel?) but what exists.

Marvel has adapted to the changes in the comic book industry, they started their own film studio, the aspect Disney was most interested in when the company was purchased.

 

[ctxak98]

I've been having this discussion with jt since 2009. I let frustration get the better of me. My apologies to innocent bystanders.

However, I do stand by what I said. Yes, people are stating their opinions. But if their opinion is that there is an Avengers ride being built at Hollywood Studios or that Universal is prepping MSI for a Transformers make-over in 2013, their opinions are ignorant. That's not an insult. These people are just uninformed. (As is jt based on his many inaccurate statements over the years.)

If people come into the conversation uninformed and are open to the facts as they have been documented, that's great. That's how you get informed. But when people refuse to go out and read the contract themselves or even do a Google search to verify a sequence of events that is crucial to their entire theory, well, they are just being ignorant on purpose because the facts don't suit their agenda. And that pushes my buttons.

Again, apologies for coming off like a jerk. This just happens to be a subject I know some things about so the misinformation rankles.
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Its fine I felt like a jerk syaing that but I guess I didnt read into it that much but I also agree with you that There is not going to be an avengers ride in Hollywood Studios but I guess I will always dream! Sorry!

 

[lebeau]

Its fine I felt like a jerk syaing that but I guess I didnt read into it that much but I also agree with you that There is not going to be an avengers ride in Hollywood Studios but I guess I will always dream! Sorry!

It's cool.

Like I said before, I was a little worked up. You were just responding to the part of the conversation you saw. No need to apologize.

Hopefully DHS will get some kind of love even if it's not the Avengers. And if you really want to ride a Disney/Marvel ride, I expect you'll get the chance outside of FL.

 

[threvester]

Marvel actually owns an entire eniverse worth of characters which I am fairly confident they could use in WDW if they really wanted to. In the 90s, there were a lot of upstart comic book publishers trying to be the next big thing. Image comics was successful, although most of their super hero titles have fallen by the wayside. But other publishers tried to follow in Image's footsteps.

One of the most successful (which is to say not very successful at all) was the Ultraverse. They actually had some talented creators on those books. Marvel was at a real low point creatively. So, they decided to buy the Ultraverse. At first, they promised to keep they two universes separate. It wasn't long before they integrated the Ultraverse into the Marvel Universe. And some Ultraverse characters joined the Avengers for a short while.

If Disney really wanted to, they could probably dust off most of those Ultraverse characters and use them in WDW. With few exceptions, they would not be considered part of any existing families. The problem is, aside from a small group of people who read upstart comics in the 90s, most people would have no idea who these guys were.

Would you want to visit a theme park based around these guys?

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PRIME!!! great character!

 

[Magenta Panther]

Marvel actually owns an entire eniverse worth of characters which I am fairly confident they could use in WDW if they really wanted to. In the 90s, there were a lot of upstart comic book publishers trying to be the next big thing. Image comics was successful, although most of their super hero titles have fallen by the wayside. But other publishers tried to follow in Image's footsteps.

One of the most successful (which is to say not very successful at all) was the Ultraverse. They actually had some talented creators on those books. Marvel was at a real low point creatively. So, they decided to buy the Ultraverse. At first, they promised to keep they two universes separate. It wasn't long before they integrated the Ultraverse into the Marvel Universe. And some Ultraverse characters joined the Avengers for a short while.

If Disney really wanted to, they could probably dust off most of those Ultraverse characters and use them in WDW. With few exceptions, they would not be considered part of any existing families. The problem is, aside from a small group of people who read upstart comics in the 90s, most people would have no idea who these guys were.

Would you want to visit a theme park based around these guys?

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PRIME!!! great character!

NO.

Even if it were a Disney park.

 

[AEfx]

Sorry but no, aside from a few similar scenes the ride layout is entirely different, the biggest difference being that Transformers is on 2 levels, with a high-tech and invisible elevator system being used twice in the attraction.

So Spiderman becoming Transformers, why not, but either with completely different set pieces and layout, or a total rebuilt of the ride.

Sorry, but yes - LOL. You are missing the point. Perhaps I should be more explicit.

The script and filmed elements of the Transformers ride in Hollywood mirror the event layout in Spiderman. For example, the fireball effect happens at the exact same point in the ride. So does the "levitation" sequence, etc.

The layout of the track is irrelevant, as the buildings are obviously not identical. What is relevant is that, scene by scene, it could be easily placed over, even if the movement direction between scenes, etc. was different. I hardly think it's coincidence that they designed the Transformers ride/story/effects in such a way to mirror Spiderman without the intention of being able to place it in that building at some point.

Someone else mentioned that "why would they redo Spidey if they were going to make it Transformers", and I think your answer is right there. The majority of the work done on Spiderman was back-end work - projection systems, sound, infrastructure, etc. The only part that was specific to Spidey was the film, which was a few guys sitting at a computer, not some huge expense and I'd be willing to bet that portion cost a lot less of the rehab budget than everything else.

As much as I love Spidey, if it's here in 5 years I'll be shocked.

 

[lebeau]

PRIME!!! great character!

I read more than my share of Ultaverse books. Prime was by far the best. It's a shame Marvel dismantled the company and used it for scrap.

 

[lebeau]

As much as I love Spidey, if it's here in 5 years I'll be shocked.

There is so much evidence to the contrary, I don't see how anyone could be shocked by the continuation of the status quo. If Transformer replaces Spider-man within five years, I will be surprised. Nothing would shock me either way.