New MARVEL attractions to Disney Parks

[lazyboy97o]

And the cat is out of the bag with Transformers now open in Hollywood - it's made to be set right down in Spiderman with little fuss.

I missed this but wanted to comment on it. Transformers: The Ride 3D at Universal Studios Singapore is the direct copy and it could be dropped into the space at Universal Studios Hollywood because the attraction was designed for that space, delayed and built in Singapore first.

 

[The Hammer]

Can this thread be locked since this is absolutely not happening in WDW?

 

[wm49rs]

Can this thread be locked since this is absolutely not happening in WDW?

Ironically, this thread will outlast him, for good or bad.....

 

[Crush Dude!]

Ironically, this thread will outlast him, for good or bad.....

Glad someone said it :wave:

 

[jt04]

I knew I should not have invoked your name...

This thread should have died a quick death. Instead it's 30+ pages of reasonable people trying to explain easily verifiable facts to people who would rather live in a fantasy world. :brick:

Have a good trip all the same.

Nobody here has claimed there would be an attraction at WDW featuring any of the characters from IoA as you claim as long as Uni maintains there rights.

I have always said that I thought new content is on the way and that it would likely be used at WDW eventually. and that someday Uni would abandon their rights.

For someone so sure about your facts I find it telling you feel the need to misrepresent others here.

As for the Universal Hollywood changes, they had Marvel themed merchadise locations that disppeared within hours of the announcement. Of course, the powers that be can always claim it all was one big coincidence just as we can be certain corporations never use PR spin. :lol:

"Nothing to see here folks. Well, there was something to see here but as you can see you can no longer see it so nothing happened, as you can see there is nothing to see, we promise.........move along".

 

[Captain Chaos]

Nobody here has claimed there would be an attraction at WDW featuring any of the characters from IoA as you claim as long as Uni maintains there rights.

I have always said that I thought new content is on the way and that it would likely be used at WDW eventually. and that someday Uni would abandon their rights.

For someone so sure about your facts I find it telling you feel the need to misrepresent others here.

As for the Universal Hollywood changes, they had Marvel themed merchadise locations that disppeared within hours of the announcement. Of course, the powers that be can always claim it all was one big coincidence just as we can be certain corporations never use PR spin. :lol:

"Nothing to see here folks. Well, there was something to see here but as you can see you can no longer see it so nothing happened, as you can see there is nothing to see, we promise.........move along".

And like I said, jt lives in a bubble... Facts are not your friend are they jt?? You were given facts that Universal Hollywood puled out of the Marvel deal before Disney bought Marvel, but you still choose to ignore... Please, we beg you, step out of that bubble you reside in and come join us in the real world where facts are your friend.... Trust us, facts do not hurt...

 

[PirateFrank]

Uni is secretly praying Disney makes an offer for their rights to take back Marvel.

^This!


I know that 99% of the people here are absolutely certain that nothing is in the works....and that may very well be the case currently. Iger has also squashed any speculating with his recent interview....but he also said Avatarland is proceeding....and we all know how much AVL is really moving along. So I'd be willing to bet that not everything Iger says should be taken literally. :animwink:

Regardless, I will return to a point I've made in this thread already. You sell an asset when it's at its greatest fair market value....Buy Low, Sell High!! You don't sell a house at the bottom of the market, unless you *have* to get out. Uni doesn't *have* to get out of the Marvel house....so really, the only time they are ever going to consider selling is when it's at its greatest fair market value. I'm not sure you can point to a period of time where the theme park rights to these characters were at a greater value. Now's the time....

Seriously, Marvel is a limited avenue for Uni. They will never be able to develop new attractions. They will never be able to exploit the universe of characters any more than what they currently have. When these rides become stale....they're going to look to replace them...not refurb them.

I still think that Uni will try to sell the Marvel rights to Disney....the very second they have a viable long term plan in place for Superhero Island.

 

[FrankLapidus]

Maybe its simply because they're saying exactly what I want to hear but I'll take the word of Lee and WDW1974 in this case, especially as, unlike with Avatarland, Iger seems to corroborate everything they have said. The contract seems pretty clear to me in regards to whether or not Disney could bring Marvel to WDW if they wanted to do so. Personally, I think that's a good thing; rather than spend millions on buying the rights from Universal, I would much rather see Disney invest that money in making the improvements that are needed in WDW and perhaps adding some new, original attractions.

 

[jt04]

Maybe its simply because they're saying exactly what I want to hear but I'll take the word of Lee and WDW1974 in this case, especially as, unlike with Avatarland, Iger seems to corroborate everything they have said. The contract seems pretty clear to me in regards to whether or not Disney could bring Marvel to WDW if they wanted to do so. Personally, I think that's a good thing; rather than spend millions on buying the rights from Universal, I would much rather see Disney invest that money in making the improvements that are needed in WDW and perhaps adding some new, original attractions.

True. I'd much rather they spend capital on non-Marvel attractions at WDW.


Disney can build Marvel attractions at WDW they just can't use characters featured at IoA.

Notice nobody disputes that.

 

[FrankLapidus]

I know but I think there has been some confusion over the exact terms of the contract, as evidenced by some saying earlier that Disney should simply wait for the contract to expire when it had already been pointed out that there is no expiry date. Maybe I'm wrong but that was just my observation.

 

[jt04]

I know but I think there has been some confusion over the exact terms of the contract, as evidenced by some saying earlier that Disney should simply wait for the contract to expire when it had already been pointed out that there is no expiry date. Maybe I'm wrong but that was just my observation.

As Lee has said Disney is perfectly happy with the deal. And why not? They get compensated for use of thier characters and merchandise sales.

I am of the opinion Universal will grow tired of promoting a Disney franchise while paying Disney for the right to do so. People disagree with me. Only time will tell how it will resolve itself.

 

[PirateFrank]

Maybe its simply because they're saying exactly what I want to hear but I'll take the word of Lee and WDW1974 in this case, especially as, unlike with Avatarland, Iger seems to corroborate everything they have said. The contract seems pretty clear to me in regards to whether or not Disney could bring Marvel to WDW if they wanted to do so. Personally, I think that's a good thing; rather than spend millions on buying the rights from Universal, I would much rather see Disney invest that money in making the improvements that are needed in WDW and perhaps adding some new, original attractions.

Um, I'm not saying that something is in the works...although, frankly, I don't consider Iger a viable corroboration source in *any* circumstance....track record isn't there. Sorry.:wave:

What I am saying is that it is in Uni's best interests to sell someday in the near future. To suggest they have the upper hand in this scenario is only accurate if they sell sooner rather than later. If they sit on the character rights, they *will* grow stale....and they'll be desperate to sell em to get something for them in order to rebuild super hero island....instead of taking a haircut and being forced to rebuild the area out of pocket.

 

[maxairmike]

Um, I'm not saying that something is in the works...although, frankly, I don't consider Iger a viable corroboration source in *any* circumstance....track record isn't there. Sorry.:wave:

What I am saying is that it is in Uni's best interests to sell someday in the near future. To suggest they have the upper hand in this scenario is only accurate if they sell sooner rather than later. If they sit on the character rights, they *will* grow stale....and they'll be desperate to sell em to get something for them in order to rebuild super hero island....instead of taking a haircut and being forced to rebuild the area out of pocket.

Except theme park rights aren't an investment that you trade like stocks. You're looking at it wrong. Universal didn't buy Marvel to someday sell those rights when the price was right, they bought it to create a land, as a creative avenue for a park. It's not something they're looking to flip.

 

[maxairmike]

True. I'd much rather they spend capital on non-Marvel attractions at WDW.


Disney can build Marvel attractions at WDW they just can't use characters featured at IoA.

Notice nobody disputes that.

They can hardly use any Marvel characters, at least none of any popularity. Pretty much any Marvel hero or villain that had any kind of success/popularity got thrown into the Avengers/Fantastic 4 stories, etc. Any character in a family represented in Universal is off limits, which is pretty much any character B-list (some even C-list) or above. Any Marvel characters for WDW would have to be either abandoned/C-list or worse that never showed up in Avengers/Fantastic 4, or be entirely new content. Even someone who doesn't really follow comics (like myself) knows that new characters just don't seem to last unless they get lumped with a popular group of characters. I don't see that changing.

 

[Fractal514]

Can we please stop posting in this thread so that my OCD will stop kicking in every time I see the title of the thread.

 

[ChrisFL]

True. I'd much rather they spend capital on non-Marvel attractions at WDW.


Disney can build Marvel attractions at WDW they just can't use characters featured at IoA.

Notice nobody disputes that.

:brick:

 

[Captain Neo]

Another weekend another billion for Avengers

 

[lazyboy97o]

Um, I'm not saying that something is in the works...although, frankly, I don't consider Iger a viable corroboration source in *any* circumstance....track record isn't there. Sorry.:wave:

What I am saying is that it is in Uni's best interests to sell someday in the near future. To suggest they have the upper hand in this scenario is only accurate if they sell sooner rather than later. If they sit on the character rights, they *will* grow stale....and they'll be desperate to sell em to get something for them in order to rebuild super hero island....instead of taking a haircut and being forced to rebuild the area out of pocket.

What is there really to grow stale? Three of the four attractions rides are standard rides. The big marquee attraction was just upgraded, meaning it can be in the future.

We are also not certain that no new attractions can be developed. That is one area where the contract is fuzzy, but it does not make sense for Marvel to be able to block Universal from exercising their rights to use the characters, especially since Marvel likely still maintains a codified set of standards.

There is also an issue of space. The entire Universal Orlando Resort is not blessed with much room for expansion, thus why we so much get replaced instead of expansion. At the worst, Universal can only go forward by plussing the Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man, which has spent over a decade being considered one of the best dark rides in the world and opened right before Marvel films started being big. We do not often see people talking about how Pirates of the Caribbean or The Haunted Mansion are going to need to be replaced in a few years, lest they go stale. Universal is also criticized for not maintaining older attractions that have a history with the Resort.

Unless Marvel Super Hero Island is replaced by an in-house property, Universal is not likely to ever find such a sweet licensing deal. The annual fee is set. They know exactly what it is going to cost and they do not have to worry about renegotiating.

 

[FrankLapidus]

Um, I'm not saying that something is in the works...although, frankly, I don't consider Iger a viable corroboration source in *any* circumstance....track record isn't there. Sorry.:wave:

I didn't suggest that you'd said anything like that. I wasn't responding to your post, which I thought was perfectly reasonable, I was just giving my opinion having followed this thread for 30+ pages. As for Iger, only time will tell; some seemed happy to take his word that Avatarland will open in 2015 despite insiders telling us otherwise so it will be interesting to see whether anything changes in regards to WDW and Marvel.

 

[jt04]

They can hardly use any Marvel characters, at least none of any popularity. Pretty much any Marvel hero or villain that had any kind of success/popularity got thrown into the Avengers/Fantastic 4 stories, etc. Any character in a family represented in Universal is off limits, which is pretty much any character B-list (some even C-list) or above. Any Marvel characters for WDW would have to be either abandoned/C-list or worse that never showed up in Avengers/Fantastic 4, or be entirely new content. Even someone who doesn't really follow comics (like myself) knows that new characters just don't seem to last unless they get lumped with a popular group of characters. I don't see that changing.

There is an entirely new generation of people being born who will not know the difference between 'new' Marvel and what is considered 'classic' Marvel.

And any 'new' Marvel can be used anywhere Disney decides. Including WDW.