New MARVEL attractions to Disney Parks

[jt04]

It's funny because people (myself included) have been trying to convince jt of this ever since the Marvel purchase. Back in the day, he would start sputtering about "Coke and Pepsi". It made no sense at all, but he kept spouting the same gibberish. Now, you say it and "it is easy to see why".

What's your secret? Are you the jt whisperer?

Nice try but my opinion has not changed. And that is Uni will not want to market a competitor's product in the long run. I have always said Disney was in the perfect place with the deal.

But interesting to see you spin like a top. :lol:

 

[jt04]

That would be a ways down the road.
Nothing to get hung about...:lookaroun



I did, didn't I?
Wow...maybe I do know what I'm talking about...

I am a believer! It is the rest of the spirited machinations you devise in your bunker I could live without.

 

[lebeau]

Nice try but my opinion has not changed. And that is Uni will not want to market a competitor's product in the long run. I have always said Disney was in the perfect place with the deal.

But interesting to see you spin like a top. :lol:

I'm not spinning anything. I have no interest in spin. It's a message board. On this subject, I know the score. I have no agenda to push. Wouldn't change anything any way.

I guess I misunderstood. I thought, based on your comments, that you had seen the light. Apparently, you still don't fully grasp reality. Not surprising.

As I have been saying since day 1, this is a mutually beneficial arrangement. It has been for a long time. It should continue to be for the foreseeable future barring some change to the status quo.

People really need to just accept that and stop going crazy every time Disney puts a new action figure in a store at DTD or puts a billboard on a monorail.

I am glad you have come to accept that much at least. I'm not sure how you reconcile that with the notion that Universal will just give the rights back to Disney in spite of the fact they have increased in value in recent years. I mean, that part is pure crazy. But it seems like you have made a bit of progress.

 

[jt04]

I'm not spinning anything. I have no interest in spin. It's a message board. On this subject, I know the score. I have no agenda to push. Wouldn't change anything any way.

I guess I misunderstood. I thought, based on your comments, that you had seen the light. Apparently, you still don't fully grasp reality. Not surprising.

As I have been saying since day 1, this is a mutually beneficial arrangement. It has been for a long time. It should continue to be for the foreseeable future barring some change to the status quo.

People really need to just accept that and stop going crazy every time Disney puts a new action figure in a store at DTD or puts a billboard on a monorail.

I am glad you have come to accept that much at least. I'm not sure how you reconcile that with the notion that Universal will just give the rights back to Disney in spite of the fact they have increased in value in recent years. I mean, that part is pure crazy. But it seems like you have made a bit of progress.

If true it seems quite odd that Universal removed the Marvel swag from Universal Studios in California shortly after the deal was announced. Then they added Kong and now Transformers but still no Marvel attractions. If what you say is true I would think they would be pleading with Disney to add some Marvel stuff and gladly paying to do so. Huh.

:shrug:

 

[lebeau]

If true it seems quite odd that Universal removed the Marvel swag from Universal Studios in California shortly after the deal was announced. Then they added Kong and now Transformers but still no Marvel attractions. If what you say is true I would think they would be pleading with Disney to add some Marvel stuff and gladly paying to do so. Huh.

:shrug:

Your timetables are wrong. The deal in Cali ended before Disney bought Marvel. Uni pulled the plug on Marvel out there over price. It has nothing to do with Disney.

Wanna try again?

 

[Jimmy Thick]

Iger states that Disney is "very limited" for Marvel in Florida and when asked if that will ever change: "I doubt it," with a derisive shrug.

Bloomberg Interview May 11, 2012

See, this is the kind of thing that I find puzzling.


Iger got Marvel, and no matter what anyone wants to think, it is a valuable purchase, just for film rights alone, its a property to print money and will make Disney billions, not to mention the comics and merchandising.

But...


If Eisner was in charge and did the same deal, Iam positive he would have gotten the complete theme park rights along with it, thats just the way the man was wired and he was way too arrogant to listen to people who no doubt would have told him no. It would have cost some cash, but that never stopped the man, look at his purchase of ABC, which turned out to be a steal.



Jimmy Thick-And people knock Eisner to this day, people with no clue...

 

[lazyboy97o]

See, this is the kind of thing that I find puzzling.


Iger got Marvel, and no matter what anyone wants to think, it is a valuable purchase, just for film rights alone, its a property to print money and will make Disney billions, not to mention the comics and merchandising.

But...


If Eisner was in charge and did the same deal, Iam positive he would have gotten the complete theme park rights along with it, thats just the way the man was wired and he was way too arrogant to listen to people who no doubt would have told him no. It would have cost some cash, but that never stopped the man, look at his purchase of ABC, which turned out to be a steal.



Jimmy Thick-And people knock Eisner to this day, people with no clue...

They're two separate issues. The only way Eisner was going to get the total theme park rights as part of the purchase would have been to pressure Marvel to buy out Universal on the hope that Disney would then follow through with the purchase of Marvel. it never would have happened. In fact, the story is that Eisner passed on the idea of purchasing Marvel on more than one occasion.

 

[lebeau]

They're two separate issues. The only way Eisner was going to get the total theme park rights as part of the purchase would have been to pressure Marvel to buy out Universal on the hope that Disney would then follow through with the purchase of Marvel. it never would have happened. In fact, the story is that Eisner passed on the idea of purchasing Marvel on more than one occasion.

Ike Perlmutter has a well-deserved reputation for being impossible to deal with. A reputation which I understand Iger is now dealing with. The Marvel/Disney honeymoon was a short one from my understanding.

Long story short, Marvel was in a bad place so no one was offering much. And Perlmutter didn't have any interest in selling. So he was demanding way more than anyone was willing to pay.

I doubt Eisner was ever very interested in Marvel. Most people weren't. That's why it was so shocking when Iger ponied up big money for them.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Ike Perlmutter has a well-deserved reputation for being impossible to deal with. A reputation which I understand Iger is now dealing with. The Marvel/Disney honeymoon was a short one from my understanding.

This is something I am grateful for, as it seems Iger, despite buying Marvel to make Disney more cool with young boys, would love to just push the two together. He seems to think content is content.

Long story short, Marvel was in a bad place so no one was offering much. And Perlmutter didn't have any interest in selling. So he was demanding way more than anyone was willing to pay.

I doubt Eisner was ever very interested in Marvel. Most people weren't. That's why it was so shocking when Iger ponied up big money for them.

And what ever happened to reviving those thousands of characters that Iger pointed to as justification for the purchase price?

 

[lebeau]

And what ever happened to reviving those thousands of characters that Iger pointed to as justification for the purchase price?

I was impressed Iger said that with a straight face. Either he had no idea what he had bought or he is a fantastic poker player.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I was impressed Iger said that with a straight face. Either he had no idea what he had bought or he is a fantastic poker player.

Seeing as he is apparently interested in politics as his post-Disney career, methinks it might be a good poker face. :lookaroun

 

[bjlc57]

well there is an extremely simple way to make this work.. and I mean simple.. you call comcast and you buy Universal Florida.. and now you have the rights to all of it..

and if these movies are going to make $300 million per movie, it would be a cheap deal.. buy it.. extend the monorail to it.. and be done with it..

 

[bjlc57]

it would be really hard to extend the ferry boat all the way there..
and if you guys complain about bus service now.. well this would really be a whole new deal for you..

 

[Hakunamatata]

well there is an extremely simple way to make this work.. and I mean simple.. you call comcast and you buy Universal Florida.. and now you have the rights to all of it..

and if these movies are going to make $300 million per movie, it would be a cheap deal.. buy it.. extend the monorail to it.. and be done with it..

Why not just go ahead and buy Comcast?

 

[bjlc57]

you can't own competing networks.. in fact ABC was a spin off of NBC.. it was either NBC Red or blue..one or the other..
so no, you can't buy comcast..

Universal however, can be purchased.. it could have been purchased for a real deal a couple of years ago..

but , when movies set records for opening weekends.. the incentive is there..


you want to keep all those dollars in house..

what's funny is that for my whole life time, Marvel couldn't hold a candle to DC comics.. their sales were never close to being equal..
but Superman has been a bust.. Batman, yes great.. but Green Lantern, a whimp.. and such a shame.. here is DC's third best character.. and they pick a whimp to play and portray him..

 

[bjlc57]

so no, you cannot own competing networks.. sorry..

but my logic is still a possibility..

 

[slappy magoo]

FWIW, here's my conspiracy theory...

Uni is secretly praying Disney makes an offer for their rights to take back Marvel.

The past few years have been well documented with plans for Marvel-Comics-based movies. You'd think Uni would have made plans to expand new attractions, or refurb existing attractions to take more advantage of the slate of recent/current/upcoming movies. Yet aside from an upgrade of Spiderman, there doesn't seem to be anything to tie in to the recent slate of movies.

Uni doesn't want to spend a lot of money developing a new attraction, because they want Disney to make them an offer they can't refuse to tear up their contract and sell the rights back to Disney. If they develop, say, an Iron Man attraction with all the R&D and marketing and construction that would entail, it would only mean less pure profit if they were to accept a deal from Disney.

And I wouldn't be surprised if Avatar winds up being part of that offer - a huge amount of cash, giving up the rights to Avatar attractions and assistance refurbishing existing Marvel attractions to be non-Marvel attractions, in exchange for the Marvel rights contract.

But true, whatever that number Uni may have had in mind to give up Marvel rights, the events of the past few weeks would have only made that number higher. The only reason they'd accept less would be if they were hurting for cash, which, based on the success of "Potterland," I suspect is not the case.

 

[Captain Neo]

There is lots of talk that the next big Marvel movie is Guardians of the Galaxy this would not only be a good tie-in to the plans for Avengers 2 but it opens up so many opprotunities for Tomorrowland. Not Florida's (yet) of course but Disneyland in California and Tokyo/Shanghai/Paris/Hong Kong certainly.

 

[WV_Jayola]

If Disney really gets behind Guardians of the Galaxy, it will be huge. They need to stick closely to the Abnett and Lanning source material from the last few years, and they've got another hit on their hands.

And characters that they would clearly have the rights to use, wherever the heck they want to.

I'm very excited about these bubbling rumors, as I think it would make a fantastic film. They could show the PROPER way to do an intergalactic super hero story, unlike DC who pooped the bed with Green Lantern.


jeff.

 

[AEfx]

FWIW, here's my conspiracy theory...

Uni is secretly praying Disney makes an offer for their rights to take back Marvel.

The past few years have been well documented with plans for Marvel-Comics-based movies. You'd think Uni would have made plans to expand new attractions, or refurb existing attractions to take more advantage of the slate of recent/current/upcoming movies. Yet aside from an upgrade of Spiderman, there doesn't seem to be anything to tie in to the recent slate of movies.

And the cat is out of the bag with Transformers now open in Hollywood - it's made to be set right down in Spiderman with little fuss.

There are mirrored effects at the same point in both rides - the fire ball, the levitation of the ride vehicles - are in the same exact locations in the timing/story as they are in Spiderman at IOA.

A lot of people when the Spidey "enhancements" were brought about made it out that it was somehow a commitment to Spidey, and that it wouldn't be going anywhere soon. Quite the contrary it seems now, as the upgrades likely just made it that much easier to install Transformers over the existing Spidey infrastructure. It also makes that side comment that one of the Uni people made awhile back about Transformers coming to Orlando - we were all thinking as a new ride - but I have a feeling it's in a mid-term plan already to be placed in Spidey's current home.

Since there are not even any Animatronics at Transformers, I bet they could turn it from Spidey to Transformers in the matter of a month or two, if the new sets are fabricated elsewhere. All the technical/back-end work was probably done as part of the big Spidey refurb earlier this year.

I don't think Spiderman will be there in five years, let's put it that way.