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mewhunter67

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I've also been lurking this thread, due to doing some research for some things (mostly bored), and I was wondering:

What about villians? Is it possible they don't count under the 'family' clause, or do most villians, who battle specific heroes (magneto/xmen, oc/spiderman, doom/fan 4, etc) get lumped into these families? (and I guess, much like heroes, even the other villians get pulled in):shrug:

I do apologize if this is moot or been covered, but 28 pages is a lot to read through :hammer:
 
jt04

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WDW1974 said:
Sadly, this whole retro deal is spreading like a virus ... some of the 20th Anniversary DLP merchandise is 'retro' in design (sort of a take off of ) and while it doesn't look bad, I just don't want to remember the past in any of the parks, I want a brighter future.

But back to my vacation.

Perhaps, the fans will have the Hulk meet and greet moved into EPCOT and Spidey swinging from Cindy's spires by the time I return ...

When WDW continues to be all about REAL ESTATE.

See you all a little later ...
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I'm bored already.
 
jt04

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lebeau said:
No, you're wrong. Even if Amazing Spider-man bombs, you'll be wrong. They will reboot again before letting the rights revert to Disney. Sony will have to be convinced that there is no way they can make money off the film rights to Spider-man before they will give them up. That or Disney will have to make them a lucrative offer. But no way does Sony let them revert.
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Easy for you to say.
 
Magenta Panther

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hakunamatata said:
So buying ABC and ESPN was admitting failure as well? I think it's not so much an adminision of anything other than good business practices.
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Come on, that's not the same thing. Those are NETWORKS. Marvel is a bunch of superhero characters which the Disney brass thought their artists and writers couldn't compete against, despite the success of The Incredibles. So if you can't beat 'em (never mind that you barely tried), buy 'em. That's the mentality that's running Disney now. And it's kind of pathetic IMO. :p
 
Captain Neo

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lebeau said:
I'll give you this much. One of us is completely clueless about all things Marvel. I'll leave it to readers to decide which one of us it is.

My vote goes to the guy who insisted Sony would walk away from the Spider-man film franchise.
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Whats hilarious is that Sony is on the verge of bankruptcy and may have to sell back the Spider-Man rights soon
 
lazyboy97o

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jt04 said:
:lol: I wonder how many of these brilliant moves have to occur before you see the light. Iger does not "act out of desperation". Even his critics agree he is not given to rash decisions.
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Iger's two big acquisitions, Pixar and Marvel, have both been out of desperation. Just because he shows little emotion does not mean Disney had hit rock bottom and essentially given up. Iger is not involved in creating content, thus he was not going be bothered to try and change Disney so as to foster the creative environment of a Pixar or Marvel. He just wanted to push content (see below for more) and purchasing established creative teams is far easier than rebuilding a creative culture within Disney.

lebeau said:
No, you're wrong. Even if Amazing Spider-man bombs, you'll be wrong. They will reboot again before letting the rights revert to Disney. Sony will have to be convinced that there is no way they can make money off the film rights to Spider-man before they will give them up. That or Disney will have to make them a lucrative offer. But no way does Sony let them revert.
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Disney and Sony already came to an agreement. In exchange for getting into the merchandizing of the films, Disney is not going to bother with trying to wrangle the film rights to Spider-Man away from Sony.

So we have merchandise in exchange for Spider-Man. Distribution and marketing for the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and I think Marvel likely retained merchandizing rights on those films. Disney does not seem so much concerned with the creating as they are the selling. While people have been waiting for a Marvel film to open with the Disney introduction, why must that be the case? Marvel Studios already exists. Why would it be crazy to just release a film as a Marvel film with only the Marvel Studios introduction before the film?

mewhunter67 said:
I've also been lurking this thread, due to doing some research for some things (mostly bored), and I was wondering:

What about villians? Is it possible they don't count under the 'family' clause, or do most villians, who battle specific heroes (magneto/xmen, oc/spiderman, doom/fan 4, etc) get lumped into these families? (and I guess, much like heroes, even the other villians get pulled in):shrug:

I do apologize if this is moot or been covered, but 28 pages is a lot to read through :hammer:
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Villains are specifically mentioned in the exclusivity clause as being included within a family.
 
Cosmic Commando

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lebeau said:
No, you're wrong. Even if Amazing Spider-man bombs, you'll be wrong. They will reboot again before letting the rights revert to Disney. Sony will have to be convinced that there is no way they can make money off the film rights to Spider-man before they will give them up. That or Disney will have to make them a lucrative offer. But no way does Sony let them revert.
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Sony doesn't have to reboot again even if Amazing Spider-Man bombs. Disney essentially "cut the strings" on Sony's rights to make Spider-Man movies in exchange for the rights to the Spider-Man movie merch. So, Sony will be making Spider-Man movies for a long time, and Disney will be doing all Spider-Man merch for a long time.

"To that end, we recently completed a transaction with Sony Pictures to simplify our relationship. And then in the deal, we purchased Sony Pictures' participation in Spiderman merchandising, while at the same time, Sony Pictures purchased from us our participation in Spiderman films. This transaction will allow us to control and fully benefit from all Spiderman merchandising activity, while Sony will continue to produce and distribute Spiderman films. We won't be specific about the economics of this 2-way transaction, but we expect it will drive attractive returns for Disney."
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http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=49687

EDIT: somebody beat me to it. But also, I'd like to toss it out there that I would not be surprised to see Spider-Man cameo in the next Avengers movie since Disney and Sony have been so amicable about the Spider-Man movies. I think it all depends on how Iron Man 3 does.
 
mewhunter67

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lazyboy97o said:
Iger's two big acquisitions, Pixar and Marvel, have both been out of desperation. Just because he shows little emotion does not mean Disney had hit rock bottom and essentially given up. Iger is not involved in creating content, thus he was not going be bothered to try and change Disney so as to foster the creative environment of a Pixar or Marvel. He just wanted to push content (see below for more) and purchasing established creative teams is far easier than rebuilding a creative culture within Disney.


Disney and Sony already came to an agreement. In exchange for getting into the merchandizing of the films, Disney is not going to bother with trying to wrangle the film rights to Spider-Man away from Sony.

So we have merchandise in exchange for Spider-Man. Distribution and marketing for the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and I think Marvel likely retained merchandizing rights on those films. Disney does not seem so much concerned with the creating as they are the selling. While people have been waiting for a Marvel film to open with the Disney introduction, why must that be the case? Marvel Studios already exists. Why would it be crazy to just release a film as a Marvel film with only the Marvel Studios introduction before the film?


Villains are specifically mentioned in the exclusivity clause as being included within a family.
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Thanks, lazyboy! That's all I needed; sucks, but I guess it can't be helped.

I guess that begs the question are there any villains not part of a family? XD (rhetorical question, but may be easier to find than heroes)
 
The Empress Lilly

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WDW1974 said:
DLP is sadly as ghetto or more than the MK ...
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Told you so!
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jt04

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lazyboy97o said:
Iger's two big acquisitions, Pixar and Marvel, have both been out of desperation. Just because he shows little emotion does not mean Disney had hit rock bottom and essentially given up. Iger is not involved in creating content, thus he was not going be bothered to try and change Disney so as to foster the creative environment of a Pixar or Marvel. He just wanted to push content (see below for more) and purchasing established creative teams is far easier than rebuilding a creative culture within Disney.


Disney and Sony already came to an agreement. In exchange for getting into the merchandizing of the films, Disney is not going to bother with trying to wrangle the film rights to Spider-Man away from Sony.

So we have merchandise in exchange for Spider-Man. Distribution and marketing for the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and I think Marvel likely retained merchandizing rights on those films. Disney does not seem so much concerned with the creating as they are the selling. While people have been waiting for a Marvel film to open with the Disney introduction, why must that be the case? Marvel Studios already exists. Why would it be crazy to just release a film as a Marvel film with only the Marvel Studios introduction before the film?


Villains are specifically mentioned in the exclusivity clause as being included within a family.
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I have to give you credit for bringing a lot of clarity to these boards. I think you have been holding back on us. If WDW74 could write in the manner you do I might actually take him seriously.

I agree that changing entrenched corporate cultures may be the biggest challange a CEO faces. It is unfortunate that too many people are incapable of buying into a vision or a goal. Everyone wants to lead or just protect turf and that can never work in a world where things change so rapidly. And you can't fire people easily because everyone belongs to some sort of 'victim group' now. I mean, you could have the most unproductive employee and if they have ingrown toenails then they have an advocacy group that will send a lawyer to your HR department if you try to fire them. We are going to have to hit bottom before people snap out of this hypnotic state and even that might not do it.

That said, I think we are definitely seeing signs of life from Animation largely due to the Pixar aquisition. Perhaps Marvel can do the same for Disney Pictures. Not to mention other associations such as that with Spielberg.

I am not sure if it is more important to have people around your company who are successful and can help guide others or it is more important for people to feel the heat of competition within a company. Perhaps a combination of the two. Ultimately though I think Iger intends to leave a company with a very solid foundation for the next CEO.
 
lebeau

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Lee said:
I did, didn't I?
Wow...maybe I do know what I'm talking about...
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It's funny because people (myself included) have been trying to convince jt of this ever since the Marvel purchase. Back in the day, he would start sputtering about "Coke and Pepsi". It made no sense at all, but he kept spouting the same gibberish. Now, you say it and "it is easy to see why".

What's your secret? Are you the jt whisperer?
 

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