News New Gondola Transportation - Disney Skyliner -

Gatorboy

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They need to carry the weight of the cable from halfway between the next tower/station on either side of it, plus the weight of any gondolas and passengers on that portion of cable. The weight is applied at an angle to the station if that station is a turning station (like the one being discussed here). I'm sure the capability of the foundations is significantly higher to compensate for variability and the unknown.
Contrary to popular belief, the entire state of Florida isn't a sinkhole or swamp. I'm sure they'll have located the stations and transfers in areas where you wouldn't need ridiculously deep anchors for the foundation
 

MichWolv

Born Modest. Wore Off.
Premium Member
Are you suggesting they will screen before boarding? That would make it possible to be dropped off inside the parks. I like that idea.
You won't be dropped off inside the park as they won't scan your ticket media before boarding. But as I understand it, security screening will be before boarding, so you'll be dropped off at the parks post-screening, but pre-ticketing.
 

TiggerDad

Well-Known Member
Are you suggesting they will screen before boarding? That would make it possible to be dropped off inside the parks. I like that idea.
Inside the security perimeter, but outside of the entrance so you still have to enter the park.
The bigger issue is the location of the station at DHS, which is well beyond the current security perimeter so they will need to do a lot of reconfiguring there.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
Inside the security perimeter, but outside of the entrance so you still have to enter the park.
The bigger issue is the location of the station at DHS, which is well beyond the current security perimeter so they will need to do a lot of reconfiguring there.

I will continue to hold out hope then that someday we might get a Hogwarts Express type system between WS and DHS. Someday. Hopefully. Apple has that kind of money.
 

lazyboy97o

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Contrary to popular belief, the entire state of Florida isn't a sinkhole or swamp. I'm sure they'll have located the stations and transfers in areas where you wouldn't need ridiculously deep anchors for the foundation
What do you consider ridiculously deep? One station and a few towers are being built on water and will require going deep.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Notwithstanding the odd sinkhole, the surrounding area can hold the ToT, Mission:Space centrifuges, and the very large and heavy Swolphin towers.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
I would guess if this was within a secure envelope they would have terminated it near Italy or Germany rather than the expense of going all the way to the IG. Just a guess though.

Then they would have had the expense of a new park entrance and exit, touchpoints, and required guests services.

Just a couple more yards of cable and some re-configuration of the IG, much cheaper then having to build an staff a third entrance.
Peters answer is one of the main reasons this proposal won out over others.
 

TiggerDad

Well-Known Member
There will be no need. Possibly.
No need for a rail link between DHS and Epcot IG?

I do love the way you drop hints like this.

We know there is a boat link, and there will be an indirect gondola link. What is confusing is the word "possibly". That implies something else could be coming that would be new and different from what we already know.
 

Ironace

Member
No need for a rail link between DHS and Epcot IG?

I do love the way you drop hints like this.

We know there is a boat link, and there will be an indirect gondola link. What is confusing is the word "possibly". That implies something else could be coming that would be new and different from what we already know.
People mover!!!
 

Creathir

Well-Known Member
Which is even crazier. You still have all of the expense of a dedicated track, but the vehicles lack capacity. You still have a few pods occupying the physical space of a larger train with a fraction of the carrying capacity.
First, it doesn't have to be elevated the entire way, just at surface crossing with roadways etc.

Second, the purpose is not just pure passenger capacity. Sure from a single point to a single point, it makes little sence.

Multipoint to multipoint, get in and pick your destination, it is FAR superior to any other mode of transportation out there.

As far as capacity, this can easily be addressed with multiple lanes of guideway, but really as they are all computer controlled, the spacing can be much tighter.

It's similar to the concept of Google. Instead of one giant super computer processing all the requests, its millions of smaller computers working together to accomplish a task.

There would obviously need to be quite a few PRT cars, but the overall experience would be far superior than what is there today, and could in theory connect all resorts together and to all the parks.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
First, it doesn't have to be elevated the entire way, just at surface crossing with roadways etc.
Even at grade, that is still an additional expense just for these vehicles.

Second, the purpose is not just pure passenger capacity. Sure from a single point to a single point, it makes little sence.

Multipoint to multipoint, get in and pick your destination, it is FAR superior to any other mode of transportation out there.
Walt Disney World is not that scattered in where people are moving. That is why buses have become the means of transit.

As far as capacity, this can easily be addressed with multiple lanes of guideway, but really as they are all computer controlled, the spacing can be much tighter.
Multiple lanes just means even more dedicated guideway. You're now building dedicated highways instead of single track, so even more added expense. No amount of tighter spacing makes up for the physical space occupied by the individual vehicles.
 

Creathir

Well-Known Member
Even at grade, that is still an additional expense just for these vehicles.


Walt Disney World is not that scattered in where people are moving. That is why buses have become the means of transit.


Multiple lanes just means even more dedicated guideway. You're now building dedicated highways instead of single track, so even more added expense. No amount of tighter spacing makes up for the physical space occupied by the individual vehicles.

Multiple lanes allow for more thruput. The size of systems like UltraPRT is much smaller than roadway.

As far as passenger capacity goes, a 5 berth station is around 2400 passengers per hour, with only 600 vehicles per hour. That's only 10 a minute coming out of the station at peak.

There would be expense for sure, but it's much less than monorails (my personal preferred transportation, but it will never be built out because of costs) and a lot more flexible. It's roughly $7 mil per Km built out.

That's not THAT crazy...
 

roj2323

Well-Known Member
No need for a themed attraction type of installation.
I really have to agree. We currently have three modes of transportation between DHS and Epcot (boat, bus, walking) and we will have a forth with the gondolas. To me at least, adding a fifth just seems about as likely as the monorail getting extended to Tampa. Besides once the DHS remodel is complete it will be a true full day park if not a multi day park and people bouncing between the two will drop off conciderably.
 

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