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[Creathir]

Just parked the car at Boardwalk, happened to be next to the turn station.

So impressive how large it is in person. The pictures don’t do it justice.

I really enjoyed how the three bull wheels are exposed! Going to be awesome!!!

 

[nickys]

Interesting enough though, Dopplemayr advertises on their website that their detatchable gondola lifts can reach 6 m/s, which equates to 13.4 mph. I'M FAMOUS! I've SOLVED the speed speculation!! LMAO! Honestly though, do we see Disney running them that fast?

I thought the figure of 11.4 was mentioned just a couple of pages back?

 

[nace888]

I thought the figure of 11.4 was mentioned just a couple of pages back?

I think that was a speculated speed. The GOOGLE has told me that 6 m/s is the same as 13.4 MPH. I dunno, LOL!

 

[Lensman]

Just parked the car at Boardwalk, happened to be next to the turn station.

So impressive how large it is in person. The pictures don’t do it justice.

I really enjoyed how the three bull wheels are exposed! Going to be awesome!!!

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Great photo! I think it provides even more detail that establishes that the side rails will be used to onload/offload cars*. I know that there's consensus on this but I feel like this thread needs all the consensus it can get. lol

* Edited to add: Cars of some kind. I know there isn't consensus on whether it's the regular cars or some special ones.

 

[joelkfla]

I think that was a speculated speed. The GOOGLE has told me that 6 m/s is the same as 13.4 MPH. I dunno, LOL!

If you really want to look at the maximum possible speed, the current fastest monocable gondola (according to Doppelmayr) runs at 6.5 m/s, which is 14.5 mph.
https://www.soelden.com/giggijoch-gondola

 

[JoeCamel]

Great photo! I think it provides even more detail that establishes that the side rails will be used to onload/offload cars. I know that there's consensus on this but I feel like this thread needs all the consensus it can get. lol

I know what will be there! The special tower washers they got for this! Learned their lesson from the monorail...

 

[nickys]

I think that was a speculated speed.

This one?

Maybe 11.4.

Just maybe.

There’s speculation.... and there’s very specific speculation, like from Martin here! I thought this was way too specific to be a guess. More like a hint to me.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

3 legs.
- Epcot to the turn station
- Turn station to the Disney Riviera Resort station
- Then from DRR to the Carribean Beach Resort

After that, you're switching lines, and going the "4th Leg" from CBR Hub to DHS.

Ultimately, it's going to slow down as it hits those corner stations, obviously, and then have to start the trip again.

I'm confused... sorry. So how many times would I have to GET OFF and switch lines?

 

[nace888]

I'm confused... sorry. So how many times would I have to GET OFF and switch lines?

Once.

 

[larryz]

Don't forget that all the loading stations with the exception of Riviera have the extra wheel for standing still loading, or, to double the loading ability, making keeping up with a faster line possible.

Anyway, to understand the correlation of line speed with loading speed it helps to use an extreme example:

Let's say that a gondola arrives every second. Now, if there were not the detachment to slow it down, and no extra gondolas in the station, then people in the gondolas would have lest than half a second to jump out and those getting on would have less than half a second to jump in as the gondola whips around the wheel.

Now, let's fill the station with 60 gondolas (30 on one side unloading and 30 on the other side loading). Every second a gondola comes in, another gondola has to leave. If you follow that one gondola coming into the station, it has to wait for the 60 gondolas ahead of it to leave before it gets sent off. This gives it 30 seconds on the unload side and 30 seconds on the load side. (And if that's still too fast to load, it gets sent off empty).

Now, let's slow down the rope by a factor of 10 but keep the same distance (physical spacing) between gondolas. This means a gondola is entering the station once every 10 seconds instead of every second, and now, one has to leave once every 10 seconds. With 60 gondolas in the station, a gondola that arrives has to wait 10 minutes before it leaves. That gives unloading 5 minutes to unload and loading 5 minutes to load.

But sitting in the station 5 minutes waiting to leave is a long time. So, let's reduce the number of gondolas by 10 to have just 6 of them. Arriving once every 10 seconds, a gondola will have to wait 60 seconds for the other 6 gondolas ahead of it to dispatch. This gives a gondola 30 seconds on the unload side and 30 seconds on the load side.

So, now we have the gondolas arriving every 10 seconds. Let's add more gondolas! We put another gondola in between every current gondola decreasing the physical spacing. So, now, every 10 seconds we have 2 gondolas arriving, which is one every 5 seconds. Which means a gondola has to leave every 5 seconds. So, when a gondola comes in and has 6 gondolas ahead of it that will dispatch once every 5 seconds, then that gondola will only be in the station for 30 seconds. This gives folks 15 seconds to unload and 15 seconds to load.

Now, the real math!

d = distance between gondolas
v = velocity of the rope
a = rate of arrival of the gondolas expressed in time between gondolas
g = number of gondolas in the station
l = time that a gondola spends in the station for unloading and reloading

a = d/v

So, if the distance between gondolas is 40m, and the velocity is close to 11 mph (5m/s), then the gondolas would be arriving once every 8 seconds. [40m / 5m/s = 8s]

l = a*g

So, if the gondolas are arriving every 8 seconds and there are 12 gondolas in the station, then an arriving gondola has to wait 8s * 12 = 96s to leave. This gives 48 seconds to unload and 48 seconds to load (maybe closer to 40 seconds each side since loading and unloading doesn't happen on the turn).

The full formula for amount of loading time is: l = dg/v

So, loading time is correlated to distance between gondolas, AND velocity of the rope, AND number of gondolas in the station.

NOBODY SAID THERE WOULD BE MATH INVOLVED. I'm going to complain. Where are my three free FastPasses???

 

[nace888]

NOBODY SAID THERE WOULD BE MATH INVOLVED. I'm going to complain. Where are my three free FastPasses???

3? ONLY 3?! THAT'S NOT ENOUGH!! You need to ask for WAYYYY more.

 

[larryz]

3? ONLY 3?! THAT'S NOT ENOUGH!! You need to ask for WAYYYY more.

I think it's obvious that I'm no good at math...

 

[NormC]

I think that was a speculated speed. The GOOGLE has told me that 6 m/s is the same as 13.4 MPH. I dunno, LOL!

Google the D-Line.
7 m/s

 

[marni1971]

I think that was a speculated speed. The GOOGLE has told me that 6 m/s is the same as 13.4 MPH. I dunno, LOL!

It wasn’t speculation

 

[Creathir]

Great photo! I think it provides even more detail that establishes that the side rails will be used to onload/offload cars*. I know that there's consensus on this but I feel like this thread needs all the consensus it can get. lol

* Edited to add: Cars of some kind. I know there isn't consensus on whether it's the regular cars or some special ones.

Thanks!!!

 

[Lift Blog]

Just parked the car at Boardwalk, happened to be next to the turn station.

So impressive how large it is in person. The pictures don’t do it justice.

I really enjoyed how the three bull wheels are exposed! Going to be awesome!!!

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I don’t think it’s a given that the bullwheels will remain exposed. They are normally covered by underskin as one of the last steps.

 

[GlacierGlacier]

I don’t think it’s a given that the bullwheels will remain exposed. They are normally covered by underskin as one of the last steps.

Yup - DHS's Bullwheels were covered by an underskin already.

I did prefer how they looked out in the open, but whatever.

 

[Creathir]

I don’t think it’s a given that the bullwheels will remain exposed. They are normally covered by underskin as one of the last steps.

True, hopefully they will though!

Given the transparency on the roof panels, perhaps that will continue on the underskin as well.

 

[larryz]

True, hopefully they will though!

Given the transparency on the roof panels, perhaps that will continue on the underskin as well.

As long as those panels don't act like magnifying glasses and set the bullwheel lubricants on fire...

 

[Goofyernmost]

As long as those panels don't act like magnifying glasses and set the bullwheel lubricants on fire...

OMG... how could we sniveling cowards possible have overlooked that obvious death trap. Since the cables are lubricated with petroleum product that will just carry around like a fuse causing the whole fleet to be engulfed in flames. "Oh, the humanity".