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[peter11435]

I don't agree or disagree. The only alleged confirmation we have that a counting system exists is you saying "There is little doubt that Disney has a system in place to count the guests utilizing the skyliner" You may be right or wrong, but my point was "What the hell difference does it make"? It is one of the biggest fluff pieces of information that Disney can issue. It changes nothing, even if true, which it probably is, it is nothing more then yet another marketing move to impress and calm the nerves of overly reactionary people. It doesn't even deserve this paragraph of discussion much less extended discussion about how the number was determined. If people had half the interest in how votes get counted as this, the country would be a much better place.

What confirmation do you have that there is a counting system at Kilimanjaro safaris, the Haunted Mansion, slinky dog dash? Heck even the Hall of presidents?

I can assure you they all have counting systems. No reason this wouldn’t too.

 

[Goofyernmost]

What confirmation do you have that there is a counting system at Kilimanjaro safaris, the Haunted Mansion, slinky dog dash? Heck even the Hall of presidents?

I can assure you they all have counting systems. No reason this wouldn’t too.

Again if they do or if they don't, it really isn't that important. Please finish reading my post. I said it was probable. One of the giveaways is that someplace the line entering must narrow down to one person through at a time. If it doesn't have that then a totally accurate count is questionable, but I haven't once argued that the numbers aren't correct. I have only argued that whatever the number it is as unimportant to us as anything can possibly be.

If memory serves me HoP has obvious stanchions that you pass through and HM's loading line ends with a single line just before you get on the moving sidewalk. Heck even back as far a Horizons you had to enter through those people counters and I have no doubt that many others have that same setup. Even PotC allows for one at a time, American Adventure (another obvious one). I have never ridden the Gondola's so I don't know what system is used there or is even possible. I depends on if a whole group can move in at the same time and no narrowing of the line happens at any point. Anything that ends at a bottle neck has the potential to have a very accurate count. It seem to me that at the point where one has to transfer OR go to the resort an number of people will be counted twice if they are going on to the park at that transfer point. Again though on a scale of 1 to 10 as a matter of importance, 1 being the least important... this falls on minus 5. (-)

 

[lazyboy97o]

Again if they do or if they don't, it really isn't that important. Please finish reading my post. I said it was probable. One of the giveaways is that someplace the line entering must narrow down to one person through at a time. If it doesn't have that then a totally accurate count is questionable, but I haven't once argued that the numbers aren't correct. I have only argued that whatever the number it is as unimportant to us as anything can possibly be.

If memory serves me HoP has obvious stanchions that you pass through and HM's loading line ends with a single line just before you get on the moving sidewalk. Heck even back as far a Horizons you had to enter through those people counters and I have no doubt that many others have that same setup. Even PotC allows for one at a time, American Adventure (another obvious one). I have never ridden the Gondola's so I don't know what system is used there or is even possible. I depends on if a whole group can move in at the same time and no narrowing of the line happens at any point. Anything that ends at a bottle neck has the potential to have a very accurate count. It seem to me that at the point where one has to transfer OR go to the resort an number of people will be counted twice if they are going on to the park at that transfer point. Again though on a scale of 1 to 10 as a matter of importance, 1 being the least important... this falls on minus 5. (-)

If it is so unimportant, why wrongly lecture on something you do not know? Individual turnstiles, be it mechanical or photometric, have not been required for some time.

 

[peter11435]

Again if they do or if they don't, it really isn't that important. Please finish reading my post. I said it was probable. One of the giveaways is that someplace the line entering must narrow down to one person through at a time. If it doesn't have that then a totally accurate count is questionable, but I haven't once argued that the numbers aren't correct. I have only argued that whatever the number it is as unimportant to us as anything can possibly be.

If memory serves me HoP has obvious stanchions that you pass through and HM's loading line ends with a single line just before you get on the moving sidewalk. Heck even back as far a Horizons you had to enter through those people counters and I have no doubt that many others have that same setup. Even PotC allows for one at a time, American Adventure (another obvious one). I have never ridden the Gondola's so I don't know what system is used there or is even possible. I depends on if a whole group can move in at the same time and no narrowing of the line happens at any point. Anything that ends at a bottle neck has the potential to have a very accurate count. It seem to me that at the point where one has to transfer OR go to the resort an number of people will be counted twice if they are going on to the park at that transfer point. Again though on a scale of 1 to 10 as a matter of importance, 1 being the least important... this falls on minus 5. (-)

It is no longer necessary for guests to be single file or one person at a time to be accurately counted. Several attractions you reference have counting systems that do not require one at a time.

 

[Disstevefan1]

They hit the magical million rider estimate so quickly its a worthless measurement.

There was the first malfunction after 6 days of operation, then the Skyliner closed, then after it reopened, another malfunction (a gondola appeared to be stuck transferring from the stationary, ADA load platform) a few days after reopening.

Probably a better metric would be, say, 100 days without a malfunction?

 

[The Mom]

Please stop with the insults and personal attacks. Thank you.

 

[Magic Feather]

Coming back from Epcot after Epcot 4Eva, I was impressed by how fast the line moves as compared to a long monorail line...the continuous loading of this type of transportation would win out in a competition with the monorail...no doubt.

That’s awesome to hear! By chance, did you catch how long it took from entering the line to when you boarded?

 

[Goofyernmost]

If it is so unimportant, why wrongly lecture on something you do not know? Individual turnstiles, be it mechanical or photometric, have not been required for some time.

Simply because I'm tired of fabricated problems and twisting things into things that they are not. Simple. Do not invent problems that do not exist just to be critical. There are plenty of real things to be cynical about. This is not one of them and because people like you seem to always want to continue the conversation to a point where I feel the need to defend my viewpoint and no one has yet to give a good reason why I am out of line other then it disagrees with their viewpoint. Even when I have actually agreed with other opinions, with an *. And because I can and have an obligation to correct things when they are out of line.

You just made a statement that I'm sure you are expecting everyone to just not notice. The last sentence you wrote in your post. OK, if mechanical and photo-metric's have not been required what replaced them? Just leaving it there with no explanation does not conjure up confidence that you know what you are talking about, either. You may well be more knowledgeable, but lets be a little more detailed if you are going to criticize.

 

[Goofyernmost]

It is no longer necessary for guests to be single file or one person at a time to be accurately counted. Several attractions you reference have counting systems that do not require one at a time.

Fine... mind being a little more detailed? Just saying something does not just end the conversation. What replaced it?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Simply because I'm tired of fabricated problems and twisting things into things that they are not. Simple. Do not invent problems that do not exist just to be critical. There are plenty of real things to be cynical about. This is not one of them and because people like you seem to always want to continue the conversation to a point where I feel the need to defend my viewpoint and no one has yet to give a good reason why I am out of line other then it disagrees with their viewpoint. Even when I have actually agreed with other opinions, with an *. And because I can and have an obligation to correct things when they are out of line.

You just made a statement that I'm sure you are expecting everyone to just not notice. The last sentence you wrote in your post. OK, if mechanical and photo-metric's have not been required what replaced them? Just leaving it there with no explanation does not conjure up confidence that you know what you are talking about, either. You may well be more knowledgeable, but lets be a little more detailed if you are going to criticize.

You claim to be tired of fabricated issues but constantly fabricate explanations and then get mad when called out on it. That queues do not reduce down to single file has been true for years now.

Turnstiles have been replaced with overhead digital counters that can track groups as well as people moving back and forth. This is augmented by the long range MagicBand trackers that can count the number of bands and track their movement through a queue.

 

[BromBones]

What confirmation do you have that there is a counting system at Kilimanjaro safaris, the Haunted Mansion, slinky dog dash? Heck even the Hall of presidents?

I can assure you they all have counting systems. No reason this wouldn’t too.

Actually the confirmation of counting systems at those three rides you mentioned is found in the CM that stands there with a hand counter and ticks off guests as they walk into the ride in most cases.

Is there a CM counting each guest as they enter the Skyliner? or do the guests have to walk through turnstile that counts them as they enter?

 

[danlb_2000]

Actually the confirmation of counting systems at those three rides you mentioned is found in the CM that stands there with a hand counter and ticks off guests as they walk into the ride in most cases.

Is there a CM counting each guest as they enter the Skyliner? or do the guests have to walk through turnstile that counts them as they enter?

There are no turnstiles, and the CM's on the platform aren't counting. It's possible that there is a sensor somewhere that is counting, but the queues are pretty bare bones and I haven't seen anything in the videos where a counting device is obvious.

 

[mousekedoc]

Don’t the wristbands track guests? I would think the wrist band tracking is the source for rider counts. But I am not an insider nor do I pretend to be anything more than a meat puppet.

 

[danlb_2000]

Don’t the wristbands track guests? I would think the wrist band tracking is the source for rider counts. But I am not an insider nor do I pretend to be anything more than a meat puppet.

They could do that, but it would just be an estimate since not everyone would be wearing one.

 

[mousekedoc]

Yeah. I don’t know what the percentage of guests who wear wrist bands are vs. those who don’t. I’m sure TDO has a good idea. From there isn’t a simple statistical algorith, yes?

 

[NormC]

It is simple math really. If the system was used to full capacity since opening it would have exceeded 1 million by now. It is less because they are not forcing 10 people into every cabin.

 

[danlb_2000]

Yeah. I don’t know what the percentage of guests who wear wrist bands are vs. those who don’t. I’m sure TDO has a good idea. From there isn’t a simple statistical algorith, yes?

Yeah, they could probably do a good estimate. The one thing that would throw the numbers for the Skyliner is that there were probably a lot of joy riders the first few weeks who would be less likely to be wearing magic bands.

 

[danlb_2000]

It is simple math really. If the system was used to full capacity since opening it would have exceeded 1 million by now. It is less because they are not forcing 10 people into every cabin.

... but the system will never operate at full capacity all day, only at certain times of the day.

 

[NormC]

... but the system will never operate at full capacity all day, only at certain times of the day.

Very true.

 

[Clamman73]

That’s awesome to hear! By chance, did you catch how long it took from entering the line to when you boarded?

When I got on line it was down to the walkway going by the station and a little bit around so not even to where you’d pass a cm greeting you as normally. Maybe it was a good 15 minutes maybe up to 20.