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- Thread starter MythBuster
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I'm late to the party!
DCA: the biggest mistake they made was the California concept in the first place. If I live in CA, do I really need a theme park to duplicate the things I have for real in my own back yard. If I'm visiting CA, wouldn't I rather go see those things for myself – not some Disney representation?
The second biggest mistake is spending g-d's breafcase worth of cash on the park and not correcting the first mistake.
As for the coaster: It looks like Barnstormers lift hill to me, not a loop. It doesn't make sense that they would tear down a kid coaster, in a kid area, and spend money on a new adult coaster when they've stopped plans for Monsters, Inc at DHS.
In order to fit the Dumbos, they may just relocate the entrance to the other side of the coaster and modify the queue house.
The big question though is, are they shortening the last curve of the Indy Speedway or removing it all together? I don't see how that Dumbo attraction could possibly fit with that curve there. Moving that curve would also be a pretty cheap and easy thing to do.
I'm sure JL has thought of a "master plan" for WDW beyond this expansion. Would Indy Speedway even still be necessary if the larger plan is to bring the DCA Cars ride to WDW – say DHS – in the next 10 or so years (I'm talking about just the track, not the entire CARSland)? That's a heck of a lot of land that they would instantly free up at MK.
DCA: the biggest mistake they made was the California concept in the first place. If I live in CA, do I really need a theme park to duplicate the things I have for real in my own back yard. If I'm visiting CA, wouldn't I rather go see those things for myself – not some Disney representation?
The second biggest mistake is spending g-d's breafcase worth of cash on the park and not correcting the first mistake.
As for the coaster: It looks like Barnstormers lift hill to me, not a loop. It doesn't make sense that they would tear down a kid coaster, in a kid area, and spend money on a new adult coaster when they've stopped plans for Monsters, Inc at DHS.
In order to fit the Dumbos, they may just relocate the entrance to the other side of the coaster and modify the queue house.
The big question though is, are they shortening the last curve of the Indy Speedway or removing it all together? I don't see how that Dumbo attraction could possibly fit with that curve there. Moving that curve would also be a pretty cheap and easy thing to do.
I'm sure JL has thought of a "master plan" for WDW beyond this expansion. Would Indy Speedway even still be necessary if the larger plan is to bring the DCA Cars ride to WDW – say DHS – in the next 10 or so years (I'm talking about just the track, not the entire CARSland)? That's a heck of a lot of land that they would instantly free up at MK.
CastleBound
Well-Known Member
I'm late to the party too! haha
About California Adventure, I don't really think its the greatest theme for a park, but not horrible. I think for people coming from out of state or country, its a good way to get an idea of CA. Now yea, they should visit the real places, but if they just have a Disney trip in mind than going to California Adventure is a good way to fit the whole state in one day.
I also think it is Barnstormers lift. I don't think there is any chance of them building a loop coaster in MK. The placement may be confusing because we are all basically judging the area by artwork. I'm sure they will find a way to make it work.
Rob562
Well-Known Member
Wow... There really are times when I seriously want to break my personal "read the entire thread before responding" rule... That was a lot of junk to wade through....
There's someone from WDI who posts on the RADP newsgroup from time to time (and is a very reliable source of info, but is always careful with what they release). They posted today with a few bits of info.
Here's a summary:
-The leaked blueprints were an older draft of the expansion plans. The overall layout seen in the concept artwork is the current plan, with Pixie Hollow to the north and Dumbo to the south. The rest of the expansion is pretty much what the blueprints showed, though some of the details aren't accurate on the blueprints.
(And as a personal side note... What many people may not realize in trying to figure out the current space in Toontown, there's an entire tent (the blueish one) that Guests never go into. It's strictly a support facility for the characters, and is attached to the Judge's Tent and the other character meeting location.)
-Barnstormer is staying, *BUT* it is getting moved slightly for space reasons (the figure given was 15 feet). It will be getting re-themed, but its new theme has *not* been settled on yet.
My personal guess is that it'll move NNE toward the current train station into where Donald's Boat is now, leaving more room for the Dumbos.
The last part I will quote directly, and let you take your own assumptions from it:
"Mickey and Minnie will be given temporary quarters but the location
hasn't been decided yet. Temporary you say? Well, there's more plans afoot. You just have to wait for something official."
So there you have it.
-Rob
There's someone from WDI who posts on the RADP newsgroup from time to time (and is a very reliable source of info, but is always careful with what they release). They posted today with a few bits of info.
Here's a summary:
-The leaked blueprints were an older draft of the expansion plans. The overall layout seen in the concept artwork is the current plan, with Pixie Hollow to the north and Dumbo to the south. The rest of the expansion is pretty much what the blueprints showed, though some of the details aren't accurate on the blueprints.
(And as a personal side note... What many people may not realize in trying to figure out the current space in Toontown, there's an entire tent (the blueish one) that Guests never go into. It's strictly a support facility for the characters, and is attached to the Judge's Tent and the other character meeting location.)
-Barnstormer is staying, *BUT* it is getting moved slightly for space reasons (the figure given was 15 feet). It will be getting re-themed, but its new theme has *not* been settled on yet.
My personal guess is that it'll move NNE toward the current train station into where Donald's Boat is now, leaving more room for the Dumbos.
The last part I will quote directly, and let you take your own assumptions from it:
"Mickey and Minnie will be given temporary quarters but the location
hasn't been decided yet. Temporary you say? Well, there's more plans afoot. You just have to wait for something official."
So there you have it.
-Rob
jedimaster1227
Active Member
I was speaking purely in hypotheticals here. I know quite well that the Barnstormer isn't going anywhere--I just stated my opinion that Hong Kong would be a nice "dumping ground" of sorts for the coaster if it were to be moved. Toy Story Land (and the rest of the park), while finalized in design will never be truly complete, as new projects will always be in the works...
It is certainly feasible to expand the Barnstormer's layout, but that option is hardly plausible. Not only is this roller skater a catalog model that has been operating for quite some time (and would need extensive work to heavily modify to accommodate track additions and the added length that comes with it (speed of the train in motion is also a critical factor).
It would be far cheaper to "sell" the attraction to one of the other resorts after clearing out the rest of Toontown for a newer attraction, coaster or not.
Figment632
New Member
You are aware that the entire theme of DCA is changing so they do fit the new theme rather well.
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
What, the Pixar Land thing? I've always doubted that, though it is obvious that they would use what is popular for the newer fans.
And how would you know them? They haven't posted in months...Maybe even a year for Ender.:shrug:
cdunbar
Active Member
Hmm...I think Evan and I are sharing a brain wave today...it is possible that this and those are in fact the same individual...:lookaroun
jt04
Well-Known Member
Well you missed the fun. "Ender" should up here a couple week ago and called 74 out about his negativity. The post said something to the effect of "I know who you are but you have no idea who I am".
It made me smile.
Edit: searched for the post but it's deleted.
cdunbar
Active Member
jt, you always make me laugh with your odd sense of humor because I too find things not so funny absurdly funny:ROFLOL:Well you missed the fun. "Ender" should up here a couple week ago and called 74 out about his negativity. The post said something to the effect of "I know who you are but you have no idea who I am".
It made me smile.
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
Oh, lovely. I see we are back to that line of intrusive thought....:lol:Well you missed the fun. "Ender" should up here a couple week ago and called 74 out about his negativity. The post said something to the effect of "I know who you are but you have no idea who I am".
It made me smile.
Care to link?
jt04
Well-Known Member
Oh, lovely. I see we are back to that line of intrusive thought....:lol:
Care to link?
Steve deleted it. It was a well crafted and thoughtful note however. Very effective. Does "ender" work for the mouse? Cause I got the feeling the thought was unofficially official, if you catch my meaning.
jt04
Well-Known Member
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
:lol: You never cease to amaze.
And yes, I catch your meaning. Perfectly. And I have my own theories on a lot of people, thankyouverymuch.
imagineer boy
Well-Known Member
Well, it doesn't really matter what state you do, you really don't have enough material to work with for an entire park and expansion beyond. I do hope they change the theme at DCA, it just doesn't work too well IMO.
Some how I kind of doubt that...
jt04
Well-Known Member
:lol: You never cease to amaze.
And yes, I catch your meaning. Perfectly. And I have my own theories on a lot of people, thankyouverymuch.
Yeah, but does ender work for the mouse?
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
jt04
Well-Known Member
No but sometimes it seems like I do. :lol: