New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

[SamusAranX]

I agree! If you have bathroom issues /anxiety/adhd/heat or sun sensitivity/bad back/thyroid issues etc etc and you aren't OK with the RTQ option buy genie plus. It is the entitlement for me.

Entitlement? Really?

Tell me you’ve led a privileged life with relatively few health complications without telling me you’ve led that life.

 

[J Pye]

There’s an awful lot of ableism in this thread I feel. Disney should really be trying to do what it can to reasonably accommodate so that someone with disability’s day is as enjoyable as those who have no disabilities. Telling a child who has bladder issues and is on a transplant list that they will have to somehow turn their wheelchair around (the lines do accommodate wheelchairs/ECVs but I’m not convinced how easily they’ll accommodate them turning around) and then exit the line and then request a return time does not feel like a fair and equitable way to spend the day. Nor does it seem enjoyable. Disney has a duty to make sure that the system isn’t abused, yes, but they also have to make sure that those who have legitimate disabilities aren’t having their days ruined through the supposed “sufficient accommodations”.

 

[KrzyKtty]

I think there is a lot of unnecessary doom and gloom for a bunch of situations most people have not even been able to try out in person yet.

I completely understand the frustration of losing something that you were used to and the anxiety that goes along with that. But I have seen video after video on tic tok about people saying they are not going back because it Will never work for them. But they haven't actually even tried the new accommodations yet. It's all or nothing.

 

[ConfettiCupcake]

There’s an awful lot of ableism in this thread I feel. Disney should really be trying to do what it can to reasonably accommodate so that someone with disability’s day is as enjoyable as those who have no disabilities. Telling a child who has bladder issues and is on a transplant list that they will have to somehow turn their wheelchair around (the lines do accommodate wheelchairs/ECVs but I’m not convinced how easily they’ll accommodate them turning around) and then exit the line and then request a return time does not feel like a fair and equitable way to spend the day. Nor does it seem enjoyable. Disney has a duty to make sure that the system isn’t abused, yes, but they also have to make sure that those who have legitimate disabilities aren’t having their days ruined through the supposed “sufficient accommodations”.

You touched on where a lot of the divisiveness comes from. The accommodations aren’t designed to make one persons day as enjoyable as anyone else’s is, as noble as that may be. The accommodations are for access to each individual attraction. That’s it.

It can be debated whether or not these new accommodations are providing access adequately enough for people (it’s hard to know for sure until more people actually use it), but the intent has never been to compensate someone for issues that may impact their overall day.

 

[KrzyKtty]

There’s an awful lot of ableism in this thread I feel. Disney should really be trying to do what it can to reasonably accommodate so that someone with disability’s day is as enjoyable as those who have no disabilities. Telling a child who has bladder issues and is on a transplant list that they will have to somehow turn their wheelchair around (the lines do accommodate wheelchairs/ECVs but I’m not convinced how easily they’ll accommodate them turning around) and then exit the line and then request a return time does not feel like a fair and equitable way to spend the day. Nor does it seem enjoyable. Disney has a duty to make sure that the system isn’t abused, yes, but they also have to make sure that those who have legitimate disabilities aren’t having their days ruined through the supposed “sufficient accommodations”.

The situation specifically about the bathroom is equitable because when my daughter had to use the bathroom on splash mountain two years ago, we were guided out of the line so that she could go and then guided back into it when she was done. There wasn't even a return to Q time. So in that case, bathroom related issues are being treated equitably.

The bigger issue with your example would be if somebody on the transplant list should really be stuck in a line with everybody else and their germs. The situation there would be different and should be presented as such to DAS. " My child specifically cannot wait in line surrounded by a bunch of people because they are on immuno suppressants, and being an a line with all of those people and their germs would be life threatening to my child". I have heard horror stories of situations like this not being approved on tiktok but i'm not really sure how much I believe them. That place can be a cess pool.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Getting a wheelchair out of a queue sounds like a nightmare, my guess is that’s going to be the first change, I don’t think we can compare our experiences (walking out of a line) to those in a wheelchair or a mobility device.

One thing I’ve learned reading this thread is my GFs medical situation (that got us DAS) is minor and very manageable compared to what others are dealing with, we’ll be able to survive without DAS, we’ll have to skip some things and plan more, but it’ll be a minor inconvenience compared to how it’s going to affect others.

 

[Touchdown]

The situation specifically about the bathroom is equitable because when my daughter had to use the bathroom on splash mountain two years ago, we were guided out of the line so that she could go and then guided back into it when she was done. There wasn't even a return to Q time. So in that case, bathroom related issues are being treated equitably.

The bigger issue with your example would be if somebody on the transplant list should really be stuck in a line with everybody else and their germs. The situation there would be different and should be presented as such to DAS. " My child specifically cannot wait in line surrounded by a bunch of people because they are on immuno suppressants, and being an a line with all of those people and their germs would be life threatening to my child". I have heard horror stories of situations like this not being approved on tiktok but i'm not really sure how much I believe them. That place can be a cess pool.

As much as I sympathize if you are worried about catching an infection you should be avoiding large public spaces with lots of people and there is no way to experience WDW and not enter a large public space full of people, it’s as dangerous to go on a ride, eat in a restaurant or watch a parade as it is to be in a queue. It’s not like the queue is inherently more dangerous then any other indoor space.

 

[KrzyKtty]

As much as I sympathize if you are worried about catching an infection you should be avoiding large public spaces with lots of people and there is no way to experience WDW and not enter a large public space full of people, it’s as dangerous to go on a ride, eat in a restaurant or watch a parade as it is to be in a queue. It’s not like the queue is inherently more dangerous then any other indoor space.

It's not that I don't agree with you, It's more I was speaking to that specific example given, Which ironically also tied into a tictok I saw.

But I will also not judge another parent whose child might be on the transplant list and just wants to make happy memories.

 

[KrzyKtty]

As much as I sympathize if you are worried about catching an infection you should be avoiding large public spaces with lots of people and there is no way to experience WDW and not enter a large public space full of people, it’s as dangerous to go on a ride, eat in a restaurant or watch a parade as it is to be in a queue. It’s not like the queue is inherently more dangerous then any other indoor space.

Honest questions were mobility only based users included in DAS? Just off of the net, I thought they already generally we're just told to wait in the line?

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Which is why we are going to keep this going for awhile.

I appreciate you doing this. Thank you.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

if you are worried about catching an infection you should be avoiding large public spaces with lots of people and there is no way to experience WDW and not enter a large public space full of people

It doesn’t apply directly to the topic of waiting in lines and riding attractions but there are ways to experience WDW and not be exposed to large crowds especially crowded indoor environments.

Lots of outdoor food options, and lots to see and experience outdoors .

 

[Touchdown]

It doesn’t apply directly to the topic of waiting in lines and riding attractions but there are ways to experience WDW and not be exposed to large crowds especially crowded indoor environments.

Lots of outdoor food options, and lots to see and experience outdoors .

But those outdoor spaces are full of tightly packed people, which is still a risk. I’m not saying they can’t go to WDW, just that if they can go to WDW they can also wait in a queue (solely based on infection risk, not counting any other factor.)

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Entitlement? Really?

Tell me you’ve led a privileged life with relatively few health complications without telling me you’ve led that life.

You really want to talk about “privilege” in a thread where people are complaining about the quality of their line-skip accommodation in the most expensive theme park in the world? A place that 90+ percent of the global population could never afford to step foot in?

I bet a lot of people would trade having heat insensitivity and IBS for the financial security and quality of life that comes with that kind of wealth that people in this thread have.

 

[J Pye]

You touched on where a lot of the divisiveness comes from. The accommodations aren’t designed to make one persons day as enjoyable as anyone else’s is, as noble as that may be. The accommodations are for access to each individual attraction. That’s it.

It can be debated whether or not these new accommodations are providing access adequately enough for people (it’s hard to know for sure until more people actually use it), but the intent has never been to compensate someone for issues that may impact their overall day.

I do agree that the accommodations are for attractions access. However, the difficulty Disney opens themselves up to are if those accommodations don’t make the experience for those with disabilities equitable to those without disabilities. I’m not entirely convinced right now that all of the new accommodations for attraction access will mean that those with disabilities will be able to access attractions in an equitable manner to those without disabilities (especially return to queue).

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

But those outdoor spaces are full of tightly packed people, which is still a risk. I’m not saying they can’t go to WDW, just that if they can go to WDW they can also wait in a queue (solely based on infection risk, not counting any other factor.)

Not at all - my mom is very nervous about crowds and there are plenty of places she can enjoy at Disney. Lots of open space at Epcot. She also plans ahead and goes to see the voices of Liberty at the first shows when it’s less crowded.

The idea that Disney is wall to wall people is just not true… I mean it’s true for new years haha. B

 

[Touchdown]

Not at all - my mom is very nervous about crowds and there are plenty of places she can enjoy at Disney. Lots of open space at Epcot. She also plans ahead and goes to see the voices of Liberty at the first shows when it’s less crowded.

The idea that Disney is wall to wall people is just not true… I mean it’s true for new years haha. B

When it comes to infection risk it’s about density, and it doesn’t need many people. This isn’t about anxiety which is very different.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

When it comes to infection risk it’s about density, and it doesn’t need many people. This isn’t a talk about anxiety which is very different.

I kindly ask that you not diagnose or act like you understand someones issues.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

I kindly ask that you not diagnose or act like you understand someones issues.

He wasn’t diagnosing your mother’s issues. He was talking generally about someone at risk of infection, in reference to that story about the person on the transplant list. It had nothing to do with you.

 

[Touchdown]

I kindly ask that you not diagnose or act like you understand someones issues.

I’m not talking about your mother’s issue. But I know a little bit about infectious risk.

 

[Chi84]

I do agree that the accommodations are for attractions access. However, the difficulty Disney opens themselves up to are if those accommodations don’t make the experience for those with disabilities equitable to those without disabilities. I’m not entirely convinced right now that all of the new accommodations for attraction access will mean that those with disabilities will be able to access attractions in an equitable manner to those without disabilities (especially return to queue).

I think Disney is trying for as equitable as possible; equitable probably isn't obtainable given the nature of the business they're running.