New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

SamusAranX

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Frontier must just want to sell more Genie+.
Frontier wants to sell more of everything. They legitimately rip people off, go watch the videos of people who’s bags clearly fit and the employees are still charging them gate check fees.

That said, it doesn’t justify using a wheelchair if you have no disability.
 

KrzyKtty

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Frontier wants to sell more of everything. They legitimately rip people off, go watch the videos of people who’s bags clearly fit and the employees are still charging them gate check fees.

That said, it doesn’t justify using a wheelchair if you have no disability.
Who is to judge who does and does not need one?

My MIL is 80+ and never uses one. You can bet my husband finally convinced her to use one at ATL when they had ten minutes to go to a completly other terminal to catch a flight.
 

SamusAranX

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Who is to judge who does and does not need one?

My MIL is 80+ and never uses one. You can bet my husband finally convinced her to use one at ATL when they had ten minutes to go to a completly other terminal to catch a flight.
Unfortunately you can’t ever really know, so that’s on the individual’s conscience if they deliberately falsify a need for the wheelchair to get a preferred seat.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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Unfortunately you can’t ever really know, so that’s on the individual’s conscience if they deliberately falsify a need for the wheelchair to get a preferred seat.
Oh is frontier open seating? Was trying to figure out what the benefit was.

If I don’t have a carry or know my bag will be gate checked anyways I try to board last - the less time on the plane the better haha.
 

SamusAranX

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Oh is frontier open seating? Was trying to figure out what the benefit was.

If I don’t have a carry or know my bag will be gate checked anyways I try to board last - the less time on the plane the better haha.
They charge ahead for seat selection I believe, which in a vacuum isn’t unheard of, but they charge fees for EVERYTHING. I’ve only flown with them a couple times. It was enough for me lol
 

natatomic

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Agreed. And. Neither is any discussion of trading disabilities.
Not to derail this thread further, but one of my favorite quotes I ever heard is something along the lines of, “If everyone put their own set problems into a pile with everyone else’s and then got to choose a new set of problems to have, everyone would end up choosing their original problems.” I can’t remember it word for word, but you get the idea.
 

Angel Ariel

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Again, DAS should be for individuals with profound disabilities and terminal illnesses. The RTQ is a very good option for those who don't and have your run of the mill health issues I listed that you took offense to.
Make a wish is for terminal illnesses, and is a *true* skip the line accommodation, as it should be. The family in that video may want to think about applying through make a wish instead.
 

Basil of Baker Street

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We've gone over this. There is no excuse for using DAS if you don't need it. You can tell yourself otherwise, but when another poster says they used it when they didn't need too simply because the app isn't programmed to stop them then that's not helping anyone's case when they are upset about the changes to DAS.

You keep harping on "show me where Disney says don't do this" because you know there is a difference between what is technically allowed and what the system is intended to do. It was never intended for "I don't feel like standing in line even though I'm capable of doing so." Jon Bon Jovi has some restaurants near me that have no menu prices. The idea behind the restaurant is that the needy can come in and get a meal while only paying what they can afford - and if they can't afford to pay at all then they pay nothing without any questions asked. Those who can pay for their meals do so knowing that the restaurant uses that money to cover the cost of the free meals. I fortunately don't need to get a free meal, so if I eat there I'm not going to say, "Well there's nothing saying I HAVE to pay, so I'm not going to." That would be abusing the spirit of the policy even though it doesn't violate the actual policy itself.
It's sad that this has to be explained.
 

Jessica_25

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I am a frequent reader and first time poster on this forum, and I had a few questions that I wanted to ask/ comments that I wanted to make.



I have used DAS in the past at WDW and its counterpart in Disney Land Paris. I have a well documented neurological disability that makes standing in queues impossible for me since I cannot stand for long periods of time, nor can I tolerate heat as it will cause me attacks. Given that I have been hospitalized before, and I can easily be hospitalized again, I use accommodations in my daily life to prevent exacerbations. This new system is scaring me that I might not be able to return to WDW again. I could never wait in a standard queue as it would be far too long and too much walking for me to handle. As it is, I struggle tremendously just walking in the parks. DAS was a savior as it enabled me to sit in a cool, shaded area while I awaited my time and then returned. The fact that they are now limiting this service, presumably, only to those guests with cognitive disabilities does not exactly seem fair. What about those of us who limit their use of mobility devices? I am honestly not supposed to rely on wheelchairs or mobility aids as it leads to setbacks in my ambulatory progress, so telling me that that is the only solution I can pursue seems unreasonable.



So now that I have explained my own personal feeling about DAS and what it means to me, my questions are as follows: would a person such as myself qualify for DAS under the new rules? And if not, what accommodations could they possibly provide?



The fact that you cannot even speak with a representative to get a determination of the approved accommodations before purchasing a ticket is unreasonable. I do not think I could feasibly return if the accommodations were completely removed. I would honestly rather WDW just ask me for all my proof of Disability like Paris did. I have the America the Beautiful Pass and a letter from my doctor. They did not even need the latter. They simply processed my pass and approved my accommodation. Why can’t they implement something like that here? I guarantee there will be less people seeking DAS since getting approved for the America the Beautiful Pass requires actual documentation.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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It's sad that this has to be explained.
This has been answered by several people already, the system was being used as designed and as Disney instructed people to use it, that was the point of the post, Disney could have made changes to the program to limit it to specific use for individual needs and salvaged it, instead they chose to simply scrap the whole thing.

You’re blaming people for using the program as they were instructed to use it.
 

Fido Chuckwagon

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This has been answered by several people already, the system was being used as designed and as Disney instructed people to use it, that was the point of the post, Disney could have made changes to the program to limit it to specific use for individual needs and salvaged it, instead they chose to simply scrap the whole thing.

You’re blaming people for using the program as they were instructed to use it.
And has already been answered by several people, if the system hadn’t been powerused by so many people who admittedly didn’t need to use it all the time, then we probably wouldn’t be where we are today. The poster who, on the one hand complained that he is no longer eligible for DAS, and on the other hand complained that Disney didn’t programmatically prevent him from abusing it when he didn’t need to use it, is somewhat off-putting. Do you see why?
 

Fido Chuckwagon

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And has already been answered by several people, if the system hadn’t been powerused by so many people who admittedly didn’t need to use it all the time, then we probably wouldn’t be where we are today. The poster who, on the one hand complained that he is no longer eligible for DAS, and on the other hand complained that Disney didn’t programmatically prevent him from abusing it when he didn’t need to use it, is somewhat off-putting. Do you see why?
Just to explain why, once people with DAS for heat sensitivity decided it was socially acceptable to use it for rides with indoor air-conditioned queues, and once people with IBS who have no problem waiting in a 20 minute Soarin LL decided it was socially acceptable to use it for FOTL access at a 10 minute peoplemover line, the program’s fate was sealed. Both of those examples aren’t hypothetical, they were things that posters early on in this thread admitted to / bragged about. “Why wouldn’t they do it?” They asked? “Disney is letting them!” They said. This is the unfortunate consequence of that philosophy, which appears to have been widespread.
 

Club Cooloholic

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I have often heard some say "DAS is not the same as free LL". From a blogger who used to post here a lot...
"Walt Disney World has publicly stated that DAS usage has tripled since 2019. Independent of that and prior to it, we received credible reports that the majority of Lightning Lane usage is actually not Genie+ guests, but rather, DAS. Just to put that into perspective for people who might be inclined to believe that DAS is still a low number in the grand scheme of things or relative to Lightning Lanes as a whole. It’s not."
 

maemae74

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I have often heard some say "DAS is not the same as free LL". From a blogger who used to post here a lot...
"Walt Disney World has publicly stated that DAS usage has tripled since 2019. Independent of that and prior to it, we received credible reports that the majority of Lightning Lane usage is actually not Genie+ guests, but rather, DAS. Just to put that into perspective for people who might be inclined to believe that DAS is still a low number in the grand scheme of things or relative to Lightning Lanes as a whole. It’s not."
And this is why so many or so angry and having epic social media melt downs because for some the "free ride" is over.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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And has already been answered by several people, if the system hadn’t been powerused by so many people who admittedly didn’t need to use it all the time, then we probably wouldn’t be where we are today. The poster who, on the one hand complained that he is no longer eligible for DAS, and on the other hand complained that Disney didn’t programmatically prevent him from abusing it when he didn’t need to use it, is somewhat off-putting. Do you see why?
You are still missing the point of the post though, people were using it as designed and as they were told to use it, we had no idea that was unsustainable.

When I moved to Las Vegas 20+ years ago everyone had grass yards and we watered them daily, when the drought started and we were asked to conserve water people started removing yards, watering less, etc. The water authority also uses a progressive fee structure so you pay more if you use excessive amounts. Vegas now uses less water with 2 million people than it used to use with 1 million people. When people are aware a problem exists, especially combined with a disincentive, they will modify behavior.

What you’re doing is essentially saying we were abusing the water system back in 2005 when we were using it exactly as we were being told to.

Had Disney let DAS users know there was a problem, especially if they’d combined that with a deterrent, we most likely could have fixed DAS also.
 

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