New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

[NotTheOne]

Again i dont think is not having compassion its when someone has an all or nothing attitude it rubs people the wrong way we saw the same w GAC when it changed. I agree who cares if people for a week has an “advantage” but as times goes it things have to evolve and change and some people refuse to see or accept that and here we are a good amount of people who legit need DAS now being denied

Where I disagree with you is that I don't think a lot of people who legit need DAS are now being denied. They want DAS because that's what they've always had, and it's easier than the other accommodations.

 

[jennab55]

What is wrong with being able to ride the same ride more than once a day? Who is stopping everyone else from doing the same? Are you saying that everyone that goes to the parks ONLY rides each ride one time? I don't get that argument at all.

They will never do this to DAS as a standby person can wait as many times as they want. So a person with DAS should be able to do the same (wait outside the line).

 

[Splash4eva]

Where I disagree with you is that I don't think a lot of people who legit need DAS are now being denied. They want DAS because that's what they've always had, and it's easier than the other accommodations.

I guess it all depends on what we define as legit and who needs/deserves DAS. I will say this and i posted way back when after the new process i do know people denied and approved for literally the same reasons the only difference being one party had multiple adults and the other parties were traveling solo with minors…

 

[jennab55]

What you don't seem to acknowledge is that if everyone with a valid disability were given a DAS, it would negatively impact every other guest in the park, including other disabled guests. Disney has a right, no, a responsibility, to avoid that outcome. They've chosen to limit DAS based on issues caused by the line rather than issues that might occur in the line

This absolutely happened to us on our last visit. Some of the LLs were too long for our son to handle. They were out their regular queue and way past 20min. So we honestly couldn’t even use his DAS at times.

 

[jaklgreen]

Listen i have DAS. And i would easily be able to ride any headliner i wanted 3 times a day at least without it having any negative effect on my day in the parks and im sorry. NOBODY that is not on DAS can say that. So yes Disney should have found a way to limit this. 100% and again im saying this as someone who has DAS

Are you talking about just E ticket rides or all rides? What about something like Dumbo. You think that an autistic kid that has DAS and is fixated on Dumbo should not be able to ride it more than once? And I am sorry but it is easy to sit here and say what everyone else should be happy about when you have not lost your accommodation.
You KNOW that people who truly needed DAS have lost it and will not be able to go to the parks anymore.

 

[NotTheOne]

I guess it all depends on what we define as legit and who needs/deserves DAS. I will say this and i posted way back when after the new process i do know people denied and approved for literally the same reasons the only difference being one party had multiple adults and the other parties were traveling solo with minors…

And that makes sense to me, as Disney is making DAS kind of the accommodation of last resort, for lack of a better term. So in the example you're citing in this post, the guest who is solo or with minors does legit need it, because none of the other accommodations will work. For those with other adults in the party who can wait in the line, those disabled guests don't legit need it, as a different accommodation will work.

If that makes sense.

 

[Angel Ariel]

You KNOW that people who truly needed DAS have lost it and will not be able to go to the parks anymore.

That does not mean that anyone who continues to qualify for DAS should feel guilty for doing so.

I can - and do - have compassion for those who are negatively impacted by this change. And, I also understand why a change was needed. They are not mutually exclusive. And no one should ever apologize or feel bad for using the accommodations for which they qualify.

 

[NotTheOne]

Are you talking about just E ticket rides or all rides? What about something like Dumbo. You think that an autistic kid that has DAS and is fixated on Dumbo should not be able to ride it more than once? And I am sorry but it is easy to sit here and say what everyone else should be happy about when you have not lost your accommodation.
You KNOW that people who truly needed DAS have lost it and will not be able to go to the parks anymore.

I know people who have lost DAS and won't go to the parks anymore...not because they're not able to, but because they don't want to use the alternate accommodations.

Huge difference between can't and won't.

 

[jennab55]

This is how I am reading these posts. Everyone is assuming that ALL those who had DAS where either lying to get it or they just need a quick trip to the toilet and they will be fine. It is a profound lack of comprehension on not only medical conditions, but what people live through day to day. How anyone can say that people will be "just fine" getting in and out of line is beyond me. And then to mock people saying that we are selfish and unwilling to compromise is disgusting. That is ALL that people with disabilities do is compromise.

I don’t think people are downplaying other types of disabilities. No one is mocking people either. I gave you a real life example of my husband, who has IBS, leaving line or just not even going on a ride.

 

[Angel Ariel]

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Honestly, it is more the comments from people acting as if they know someone's disability and how it manifests and them acting as if everyone should easily be able to make the new rules work otherwise they are unreasonable jerks, is what bothers me. To talk that way about those who's lives are forever changed for the worse, is heartless. All over waiting in a theme park queue.
This is on Disney for having a park capacity much higher than what they can handle.

honestly, I'm not reading most posts in this way at all. most seem to be saying this is what Disney is now providing, there have chosen to offer different accommodations for those needs. That is a statement of fact - that's what Disney has done.

If people don't want to wait til they get to the parks to try the new accommodation options, they can still attempt a DAS interview and see what's said. If they're denied, they then have a choice - cancel the trip and (hopefully) Disney will refund tickets, or try the trip with the new accommodations. If they find in the parks that the accommodations aren't working for them, there's nothing stopping them from calling DAS back while in the park and explaining what the issues they are experiencing are. Some reports have come through that people who've tried the other accommodations, found they didn't work and called back while at Disney, were granted DAS. It's not a guarantee, but it's a step available.

I can have all the emotions about these new changes - but that doesn't change that this is what Disney is now providing. I don't proclaim any of it to be easy - it just is what it is.

 

[Angel Ariel]

What if you didn't and you know that there is no way that what they were offering would let you enjoy the parks in any meaningful way?

If DD hadn't qualified, we probably would have gone on this trip anyway and done our best with the accommodations. We may have called DAS back during the trip if needed, but we wouldn't have cancelled this one because it is last minute and because she's going to have some really hard months in the next few months.

We would have absolutely taken that experience, whatever it was, and then determined whether Disney was still a viable option for a vacation in the future. Would it break my heart if it wasn't? Absolutely. . But I would mourn that loss and then try to find something new and more accessible to fill that hole. We don't have a choice but to be flexible and just take it all as it comes.

 

[jennab55]

There are plenty of rides at WDW where the whole family can go on together. You can't possibly be trying to compare having a ride that is not safe for smaller kids with having every single line separating you because of a disability. You don't think that is the least bit discriminatory? How is the family spending that wait time together outside of the line with the disabled person any different than half of the family in line and half out? They are still waiting the same amount of time. They are not taking up anyone else's space in line.

Those rides also don’t have long wait times so many people with disabilities could probably still wait in those shorter lines too. Some people may need to visit at slower times, rope drop, go later nights, buy the paid system, or other. These are choices families have to make too.

 

[jaklgreen]

That does not mean that anyone who continues to qualify for DAS should feel guilty for doing so.

I can - and do - have compassion for those who are negatively impacted by this change. And, I also understand why a change was needed. They are not mutually exclusive. And no one should ever apologize or feel bad for using the accommodations for which they qualify.

Never said otherwise. I think that everyone that needs it should get it. It is the picking and choosing based on which cast member you get that is the problem. Very little consistency on Disney's part.

 

[Splash4eva]

Why do you say that it is an "all or nothing attitude"? You said that you still qualify. What if you didn't and you know that there is no way that what they were offering would let you enjoy the parks in any meaningful way? It is easy to sit at the top and look down at those poor suckers who didn't make the cut and have the attitude of "how dare they".
And you forget that not everyone takes advantage of DAS the way that you seem to. I got on 3 rides a day. And they were not all 3 E ticket rides. Not everyone got DAS and then maniacally rubbed their hands together and spent the next 12 hours riding Mine Train and Peter Pan.

My last trip was Fathers day and i got in literally days before the change so i dont know if i qualify or not again. Im confident i will but if not then i decide on what i do. Genie + worked great for me where DAS was just an added “bonus” tbh but thats gone as well and i dk how the new Genie system will work. And i didnt maniacally rub the app and spend 12 hours commandoimg the park. Thats my point on how “easy” it was with DAS

 

[Splash4eva]

And that makes sense to me, as Disney is making DAS kind of the accommodation of last resort, for lack of a better term. So in the example you're citing in this post, the guest who is solo or with minors does legit need it, because none of the other accommodations will work. For those with other adults in the party who can wait in the line, those disabled guests don't legit need it, as a different accommodation will work.

If that makes sense.

Exactly. Listen. I need DAS. Im a divorced dad of a 10 y/o daughter. If im alone with her explain to me how i can do both? If still married and needed to exit line for whatever reason and enter it both easily & clearly then yes Disney has provided me what i need & almost everyone should as well.

 

[Chi84]

What is all of this arguing contributing to the thread?

 

[Angel Ariel]

So the typical people and those few that do qualify for DAS

I mean - according to the CDC, 1 in 11 children now have autism, intellectual disabilities or developmental delays. Obviously there's a spectrum within that and not all of them will qualify for DAS, but that's not a small number - and that's just children. And this is part of the reason that changes did need to be made - the rate of disability in the US is growing.

CDC Finds 'Significant Increase' In Kids With Developmental Disabilities

The number of children with developmental disabilities is on the rise with new data showing that nearly 1 in 11 kids are diagnosed with autism, intellectual disability or developmental delay.

www.disabilityscoop.com

 

[The Mom]

Argumentative posts have and will be removed.

 

[jennab55]

I mean - according to the CDC, 1 in 11 children now have autism, intellectual disabilities or developmental delays. Obviously there's a spectrum within that and not all of them will qualify for DAS, but that's not a small number - and that's just children. And this is part of the reason that changes did need to be made - the rate of disability in the US is growing.

CDC Finds 'Significant Increase' In Kids With Developmental Disabilities

The number of children with developmental disabilities is on the rise with new data showing that nearly 1 in 11 kids are diagnosed with autism, intellectual disability or developmental delay.

www.disabilityscoop.com

Yes! If they were to give DAS to everyone who had any sort of disability that makes being in a queue difficult, that would be a lot of people. I am guessing a lot of families have at least 1 person who would fall into this category.

 

[networkpro]

I mean - according to the CDC, 1 in 11 children now have autism, intellectual disabilities or developmental delays. Obviously there's a spectrum within that and not all of them will qualify for DAS, but that's not a small number - and that's just children. And this is part of the reason that changes did need to be made - the rate of disability in the US is growing.

CDC Finds 'Significant Increase' In Kids With Developmental Disabilities

The number of children with developmental disabilities is on the rise with new data showing that nearly 1 in 11 kids are diagnosed with autism, intellectual disability or developmental delay.

www.disabilityscoop.com

Interesting enough to do a bit more searching

Disability Impacts All of Us Infographic | CDC

View an infographic snapshot of disability in the United States.

www.cdc.gov

That works out to ~48 Million of the USA population. That's the funny thing about numbers... they draw a picture that some dont like as it doesn't support thier narratives or positions.