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TrainsOfDisney

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If they do have a problem, then they may have to consider different options.
And one of those options is to complain and negotiate with the union, which in this case resulted in a current $18 starting pay at WDW which is a great step in the right direction.

Another option is to vote for and support government officials who want to reduce the gap between a $37,000 yearly salary and $31.2 Million.
 

The Mom

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Is arguing for and pushing for a higher salary not one of those "different options?"
If they are pushing their employer for a raise for themselves, fine. I responded to this post "If someone gets a job at 16 and stays there until retirement and doesn’t change positions, so what?"

They can push for increased wages, but unless they are willing to change jobs or increase their value in some way they might not get much of an increase. If someone with little or no working skills can fill their position with minimal training they don't have a lot to bargain with.
 

mkt

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If they are pushing their employer for a raise for themselves, fine. I responded to this post "If someone gets a job at 16 and stays there until retirement and doesn’t change positions, so what?"

They can push for increased wages, but unless they are willing to change jobs or increase their value in some way they might not get much of an increase. If someone with little or no working skills can fill their position with minimal training they don't have a lot to bargain with.
I see that perspective, but the employer needs to also take into consideration that employees are a finite resource, and they need to pay well enough to retain staff. Counting on the college program to fill in gaps in staffing is not a viable option in the long term.

It's no longer the 90s-2010s, when Disney was the lowest paying major employer in the area, and would fire CMs for extremely minor offenses, all because there were 10 candidates behind them in line.
 
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The Mom

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I see that perspective, but the employer needs to also take into consideration that employees are a finite resource, and they need to pay well enough to retain staff.

It's no longer the early 2000s, when Disney was the lowest paying major employer in the area, and would fire CMs for extremely minor offenses, all because there were 10 candidates behind them in line.
Of course they should adjust pay to retain or attract employees, and I agree that many employers don't realize that until it's too late. But my answer was in response to a post asking what is wrong with an entry level employee staying in that position until retirement.

I also agree that the workplace has changed, and what was SOP for people my age no longer exists. Along with the world as a whole being different - not better, not worse, but different. And just as I thought my parents were not adapting well to change, my children think the same about me. ;)
 

John park hopper

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In a free society you make your own good or bad choices. If you are unskilled- choose to have children you can't afford or live like you are making more than you do on your unskilled wage who's fault is that --not societies-you own it.
Hard reality -salary gaps exist based on a persons skill set and what thy are worth to those paying them
 
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Vegas Disney Fan

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And one of those options is to complain and negotiate with the union, which in this case resulted in a current $18 starting pay at WDW which is a great step in the right direction.

Another option is to vote for and support government officials who want to reduce the gap between a $37,000 yearly salary and $31.2 Million.
100% agree with the first paragraph, the problem with the second paragraph (and I’m going to be as non political as possible) is politicians typically care about getting elected more than the actual well being of their constituents, if promising $50 an hour will get them elected they’ll do it despite knowing it’ll have disastrous consequences for those they claim it’ll help.

Bargaining for better pay is 100% justified, forcing unrealistic pay via government mandate, that will cause businesses to close and result in massive job losses to those it’s supposed to help, is not.

We‘ve already seen reports of fast food companies reducing jobs in CA and the $20 rate hasn’t even happened yet.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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Bargaining for better pay is 100% justified, forcing unrealistic pay via government mandate, that will cause businesses to close and result in massive job losses to those it’s supposed to help, is not.
I agree - I also think maybe the minimum wages should go up based on company profits - we need to protect and support small businesses for sure.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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I agree - I also think maybe the minimum wages should go up based on company profits - we need to protect and support small businesses for sure.
That’s a tricky one because they’re competing for the same employees, if McDonalds is forced to pay $20 then the mom and pop burger shop down the street is more or less forced to pay $20 also to get employees, even if their mandated wage is only $15.

Mandated profit sharing I could support though, even though I think companies would find creative ways to avoid it.
 

J4546

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Profit sharing would be a good start but like you said companies will find ways around it.

I dont have an answer but I do feel like the current capitalist/stock market system is leading towards its "finale" sooner than later. I mean, you can only grow for so long and it seems like so many companies in all sectors have become soley beholden to the stock holders and have to always increase revenue and profits even when they make 100billion in profit thats not enough cause they made that much last year. So instead of just focusing on providing a great product and making enough money to keep the company afloat and pay the employees a living wage they must always expand and cut costs by making the product worse for consumers.

/conspiracy rant over

regardless employee profit sharing would be a good start, also banning stock buybacks which used to be illegal before.....rich people needed to be richer
 

flynnibus

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The CEO and executives negotiate raises on a yearly basis.
As can most employees- what’s your point?

The reason said person usually gets that raise is because they successfully argue they are worth retaining or rewarding.

What’s the janitor’s argument for getting a raise who refuses to take on more responsibility or leveraging their experience to the benefit of the company and just wants to keep doing the same job?
 

_caleb

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The Disney Look (and wages) situation is supply and demand. Good (if not “skilled”) labor is in demand as workers have more options now than they have a w long time.

Those of you who are put off by workers asking for higher pay (and those who think “nobody wants to do hard work anymore!”) would do well to see that this isn’t simply a matter of entitled thinking, it’s the market telling employers that the cost of labor is going up.

BTW, Disney doesn’t have to compete with McDonald’s for the lowest-paid, least motivated, least-reliable workers. Many successful companies are paying much more so that they can then expect more from workers (like dress codes, above-and-beyond-efforts, etc.).

In my opinion, as a premium vacation destination, Disney would do well to start treating even their lowest-paid, “entry-level” positions as more important (and demanding) than those in typical fast food, construction, service, janitorial, etc. To do this, they would need to create exclusivity by paying very high wages and enforcing very high standards.
 

_caleb

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Simple.. where the employee expects their recognition or reward to significantly change.

You get paid for the work you do - not for existing. A concept many seem to struggle to grasp.
Not so simple if a business grows, the economy changes, or the labor market shifts. Sometimes, what was originally considered an unimportant role for easily-replaceable workers becomes much more important to the success of the business.

For example, the cost of finding, processing, and training new workers is very expensive (even for “unskilled labor”). Longtime employees (even low-level ones) can bring experience, institutional knowledge, and corporate culture that can be very difficult/expensive to replace.

Nobody is saying they should get paid to exist. They’re saying that even by keeping the status quo, their value to the company increases.
 

_caleb

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Far lower than the 95% failure rate reported by frontline TSA agents.
I’d like to see some sources on a claim like this, because I’m not sure it’s true.

But the relevance to this discussion is great. “It’s ok to treat frontline workers poorly because they’re not that good at their jobs and guests can take care of themselves anyway” is an interesting argument.
 

flynnibus

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For example, the cost of finding, processing, and training new workers is very expensive (even for “unskilled labor”). Longtime employees (even low-level ones) can bring experience, institutional knowledge, and corporate culture that can be very difficult/expensive to replace.

Nobody is saying they should get paid to exist. They’re saying that even by keeping the status quo, their value to the company increases.
Not if they refuse to leverage that experience and knowledge by insisting on being the same individual contributor doing the same role forever and never growing or adding additional value by LEVERAGING the gained experience in some way beyond what their prior role was.

This is why experienced people are preferred to be the pick for leading and training.. so you do leverage that gained insight. But if you just keep being the same role... you can be the BEST IN THE UNIVERSE at that role.. but your value and thus your compensation is going to plateau.
 

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