News New Changes Coming to the Disney Look 2021

[Tony the Tigger]

So did I. But I hesitate to mention it because it would show what a loser I was by keeping my first job for multiple years.

I don’t understand this. No one is calling a high school kid a loser for working an entry level job, that’s literally all they qualify for.

But when you’re 35 with kids and haven’t been promoted, the problem is often you. And it’s on you to get a second job, not on your employer to pay you as well as your co-worker who did get promoted.

The reality is not all employees contribute equally. Some excel, and some are literally not worth even minimum wage, as evidenced by them getting let go.

 

[Brian]

I don’t understand this. No one is calling a high school kid a loser for working an entry level job, that’s literally all they qualify for.

But when you’re 35 with kids and haven’t been promoted, the problem is often you. And it’s on you to get a second job, not on your employer to pay you as well as your co-worker who did get promoted.

The reality is not all employees contribute equally. Some excel, and some are literally not worth even minimum wage, as evidenced by them getting let go.

This is too often left unsaid for the sake of sparing one's feelings.

There is certainly something to be said about doing an entry level job your entire career. I wish I could go back to the days where I didn't even have a work email address and could leave the stress of work at the door, but my family's needs grew over time, and with it, my wages had to grow too, so I did what I had to do.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

But when you’re 35 with kids and haven’t been promoted, the problem is often you.

Why does it matter if you have kids or not?

And who says they didn’t get promoted? Many long time Disney CM’s get promoted to better positions that are still “entry level”

 

[JD80]

If you catch yourself saying "When I was X years old I made X.XX an hour..." you should just stop, go find an inflation calculator and convert those numbers. Because you're going to sound like my dad reminding me he used to go to the movies for a nickle.

In 1985 I made $5.00 ($14.62) an hour and...
In 1995 I made $8.50 ($17.44) an hour and...
In 2005 I made $12.50 ($20.22) an hour and...
In 2015 I made $14.00 ($22.64) an hour and...

Then add on maybe 10% to 20% more on top of that because you (probably) didn't work in a major tourist city that is incredibly competitive for low-skill jobs with a high cost of living.

Now why is the Disney Look a bit more lax in enforcement? Ignoring what may or may not be more acceptable in today's culture, it's about the labor market.

The labor market in Orlando is incredibly competitive. There are a lot of front line jobs at other parks and hotels that pay better with better benefits. Disney has an advantage because they are Disney and people love working there. There are many who see value working for Disney vs. Marriot and may work for less. But that has it's limits.

Because of the limited labor pool, Disney has to make sure their wages match the market. Cost of living and inflation impact those at the lower end of the wage scale the most and if the wages don't keep up they either get different jobs or move away (these are long term effects). So just be careful when you start arguing for what job is worth how too much.

The labor market is a about to get a whole lot more competitive with Epic Universe and all it's hotels.

 

[el_super]

A job. Take it or leave it. But whatever you agree to at the interview is your duty. If you don’t like it, don’t agree to it, and find something else.

And what happens when people DO go somewhere else and the company has to change their mind on what the job is? That's what we're talking about. Companies don't have unlimited power to create and mold social mores.

 

[John park hopper]

You mean beyond the fact that the average price of a studio apartment in Orlando is now like $1,500 a month?

Check other parts of the country --this is the norm

 

[SailorMercury]

I don’t understand this. No one is calling a high school kid a loser for working an entry level job, that’s literally all they qualify for.

But when you’re 35 with kids and haven’t been promoted, the problem is often you. And it’s on you to get a second job, not on your employer to pay you as well as your co-worker who did get promoted.

The reality is not all employees contribute equally. Some excel, and some are literally not worth even minimum wage, as evidenced by them getting let go.

Walk with me for a second. It’s noon on a school day. You’re hungry and you want McDonalds. Who is working there to prepare your food.

 

[John park hopper]

Walk with me for a second. It’s noon on a school day. You’re hungry and you want McDonalds. Who is working there to prepare your food.

What's your point?

 

[SailorMercury]

What's your point?

You need people of all ages in entry level positions to properly function. There’s nothing wrong with it. If someone gets a job at 16 and stays there until retirement and doesn’t change positions, so what?

 

[celluloid]

Walk with me for a second. It’s noon on a school day. You’re hungry and you want McDonalds. Who is working there to prepare your food.

There are multiple possibilities

High School kids that have certain days off for completing enough credits to pick up part time school day hours(happens all the time with Juniors and a seniors.

College kids earning part time job.

Retirees with hours to supplement their fun money or retirement.

People who never cared to advance(presuming they are entry level at that local and not managing.

What answers would you give?

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

If you catch yourself saying "When I was X years old I made X.XX an hour..." you should just stop, go find an inflation calculator and convert those numbers. Because you're going to sound like my dad reminding me he used to go to the movies for a nickle.

In 1985 I made $5.00 ($14.62) an hour and...
In 1995 I made $8.50 ($17.44) an hour and...
In 2005 I made $12.50 ($20.22) an hour and...
In 2015 I made $14.00 ($22.64) an hour and...

Then add on maybe 10% to 20% more on top of that because you (probably) didn't work in a major tourist city that is incredibly competitive for low-skill jobs with a high cost of living.

Now why is the Disney Look a bit more lax in enforcement? Ignoring what may or may not be more acceptable in today's culture, it's about the labor market.

The labor market in Orlando is incredibly competitive. There are a lot of front line jobs at other parks and hotels that pay better with better benefits. Disney has an advantage because they are Disney and people love working there. There are many who see value working for Disney vs. Marriot and may work for less. But that has it's limits.

Because of the limited labor pool, Disney has to make sure their wages match the market. Cost of living and inflation impact those at the lower end of the wage scale the most and if the wages don't keep up they either get different jobs or move away (these are long term effects). So just be careful when you start arguing for what job is worth how too much.

The labor market is an about to get a whole lot more competitive with Epic Universe and all it's hotels.

Most of us have done exactly what you said, used inflation calculators to compare timeframes, and that’s why some of today’s rates sound so insane.

I started at $3.35 an hour in 1988, according to the inflation calculator that’s equivalent to $8.73 today, even the “huge” minimum wage increase we got in 1991 (that bumped us to $4.25) is equal to about $9.75 in todays money. In the 90s when I moved out and got my first studio apartment it cost about $500 a month, that’s equivalent to about $1050 today, but that same apartment is $1200 today, so about 12% higher…

This is why many of us advocate for a minimum wage around $12-13, it’s way more than we made but we realize it would have made life a lot easier. The current minimum of $7.25 is appalling, but $20 (or worse $50) is insane. Inflation has to be considered, you can’t just pay everyone based on good ideals and ignore the consequences that will bring to everyone else.

This idea we had it easy back then and it’s hard today is a fallacy, you can roll your eyes all you want at us “dads” but it doesn’t change the fact the numbers favor those starting out today who are already making $15, and those stuck at $7.25 are in worse shape. Trying to survive on a minimum wage job has always been a challenge but it’s good motivation to move up, learn new skills, and make your financial life easier.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Any job at Disney World is a legit job. Some are acting like it’s the equivalent of being a bag boy at the corner grocery for your entire life. That’s what I consider an entry level job.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Why does it matter if you have kids or not?

And who says they didn’t get promoted? Many long time Disney CM’s get promoted to better positions that are still “entry level”

It was an example that carried more weight than age alone, because expenses will necessarily be higher.

If they got promoted, then they got a wage increase.

I think you’re taking things too literally and missing the larger point about personal responsibility.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Any job at Disney World is a legit job. Some are acting like it’s the equivalent of being a bag boy at the corner grocery for your entire life. That’s what I consider an entry level job.

I think there may be 2 conversations going on, one about minimum wage in general, one about wages in relation to Disney (who already pay substantially more than minimum wage).

A bag boy a legit job also, it’s just not one that I’d recommend as a career if you want financial stability. I’ve made a great living doing a job many find a “non real” job, I chuckle when people look down their noses at bartenders and servers because many are making more than the people acting superior, we often chuckle at the college educated folks talking about their $75k jobs and hundreds of thousands in debt. I also have huge amounts of respect for the trades and tell a lot of kids to become electricians, plumbers, etc… people tend to look down on those jobs also but they pay very well and are a door to independence and being your own boss.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I think you’re taking things too literally and missing the larger point about personal responsibility.

No, I don’t agree that someone working for Disney Parks for multiple years doesn’t have “personal responsibility” - working ANY job full time means you have personal responsibility.

I think that’s the big difference to me.

A full time job should be a full time job with benefits, decent pay, etc.

A part time or seasonal job is what a student, retiree, etc would work.

 

[el_super]

You need people of all ages in entry level positions to properly function. There’s nothing wrong with it.

Seriously. I missed how a thread on Disney Look and the labor market turned into a chance to offer free unsolicited career advice. No one asked for that.

 

[The Mom]

You need people of all ages in entry level positions to properly function. There’s nothing wrong with it. If someone gets a job at 16 and stays there until retirement and doesn’t change positions, so what?

It's not a problem if they consider it a "living wage" , do not complain, and don't expect it to be raised by government mandate. If they do have a problem, then they may have to consider different options.

 

[mkt]

It's not a problem if they consider it a "living wage" , do not complain, and don't expect it to be raised by government mandate. If they do have a problem, then they may have to consider different options.

Is arguing for and pushing for a higher salary not one of those "different options?"

 

[_caleb]

I don't disagree.

However, in the years since 9/11 (the reason that the TSA was created), passengers have shown that they will take down a disruptive passenger, and most important, locked cockpit doors, the federal flight deck officer program, and federal air marshals effectively make another 9/11 a practical impossibility in the US. Which is good, because with their high failure rate on tests, the TSA has shown to not be doing much for flight safety.

At what rate to Air Marshal pass their tests? Pilots? Maybe passengers should be tested in threat response too?

 

[mkt]

At what rate to Air Marshal pass their tests? Pilots? Maybe passengers should be tested in threat response too?

Far lower than the 95% failure rate reported by frontline TSA agents.