If you worked at DL in the early 1970s a 2 bed 1 bath small home a few blocks from the beach in Corona Del Mar was selling for $50K. The same home a few years ago sold for $1.2M.
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There is no performance incentive to earn more per hour as a union CM. One can show up half asleep and do the job and one that goes above and beyond and both make the same hourly rate. That go getter should transfer to be a mechanic in attractions and earn up to $35 per hour.
I guess thanks for providing an anecdote that helps connect the dots from why people do not dress as nicely as you like anymore?
TrainsOfDisney
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a random note - Imagineer Kevin Rafferty started as a dishwasher, worked his way up to Club33 and then took a pay cut to start at Imagineering.
I think $18 an hour is decent pay for a dishwasher - and they actually might start at more cause it’s not a desirable job.
Dishwasher role is what helped me pay tuition in college and part of my work / study deal. I no longer was on the meal plan since I ate for free so big savings. Our Aramark mgr even let me take home excess food back to my dorm.
In the past it was dress to impress , look sharp etc. Now it is express yourself. Times are changing.
Vegas Disney Fan
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Disney is full of stories like that, Tony Baxter started at an Ice Cream stand at DL, Bob Iger started as a weatherman for an LA ABC station… opportunity exists, you have to find it though.
I’d place dishwasher at the lowest pay rate, it’s hot physical work but I view it as a stepping stone, it requires no skill beyond some work ethic, it’s a great job to get your foot in the door and move into the better kitchen jobs that require more skill and pay more though.
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Tony the Tigger
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No, no, no. This is just the groupthink of the day.
Minimum wage in FL is $12 (up from $8 over the last few years.)
Disney is not underpaying, period.
But if people keep acting like $18 is underpaid for a cashier, they’ll never be happy. I made $13 as a salaried manager scheduled for 55 hours a week and working more than that.
I had to work overnight shifts loading/unloading trucks as a side job to make ends meet, because that’s what responsible people do.
You give someone making $18 an hour a raise to adhere to a dress code? That’s not appreciated, and it’s extortion. It gets the employer nothing.
el_super
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And what exactly does enforcing the Disney Look get the employees in return? Nothing. The company can't just threaten termination for non-compliance because the company ends up in a worse position if they do. The employees know this. The company knows this. This is why nothing ever changes.
You want to believe they are paid enough? Great. You are getting exactly the type of Disney Look enforcement that comes with that level of pay and expectation.
My peer’s son started in Buca Di Peppo as a dishwasher to get his foot in the door. He wanted to learn how to cook . After a year , the chef took him under his wing and now the kid is a prep cook.
Ideally:
1. Every job has a payscale of minimum to maximum pay based on the tasks of the job description. This is true for all jobs from dishwasher to CEO.
2. Entry level employees start at the bottom of a payscale. As they do the job well and reliably, they can go up in steps along the payscale for that job since they now have experience. Those who acquire specialized training or certification or degrees go up the steps within that payscale.
3. People with experience or certification/degrees can start higher up within that payscale.
4. Once an employee hits their max, they get no more raises.
5. The payscale gets adjusted yearly for inflation.
6. For someone who wants to earn more than what the payscale allows, they need take on new jobs and responsibilities. In effect, their job description has changed, and along with it, a new and higher-paying payscale. This could be as simple as becoming a trainer for other dishwashers, or taking on a newer and more demanding job in the business.
7. The lowest pay level for any payscale needs to be enough for the person "to make ends meet." Unskilled entry level full-time employees shouldn't be the equivalent of slave wages. There are 18 year olds with no experience or skills or living family members. They should still be able to eat and pay rent on a full time entry job. No society should have systemic 'working' poverty.
8. The highest pay level for any payscale needs to be kept from skyrocketing millionaire-ism. CEOs need to stop sitting on one another's boards and giving one another outrageous salaries. By capping the top, this is how you afford a living-wage payscale for unskilled entry jobs at the bottom. The payscale needs to be raised at the bottom and lowered at the top.
9. When the business does well, everyone should be getting a bonus, from top to bottom.
10. Anyone with a tattoo or dyed hair should be immediately terminated.
1. Every job has a payscale of minimum to maximum pay based on the tasks of the job description. This is true for all jobs from dishwasher to CEO.
2. Entry level employees start at the bottom of a payscale. As they do the job well and reliably, they can go up in steps along the payscale for that job since they now have experience. Those who acquire specialized training or certification or degrees go up the steps within that payscale.
3. People with experience or certification/degrees can start higher up within that payscale.
4. Once an employee hits their max, they get no more raises.
5. The payscale gets adjusted yearly for inflation.
6. For someone who wants to earn more than what the payscale allows, they need take on new jobs and responsibilities. In effect, their job description has changed, and along with it, a new and higher-paying payscale. This could be as simple as becoming a trainer for other dishwashers, or taking on a newer and more demanding job in the business.
7. The lowest pay level for any payscale needs to be enough for the person "to make ends meet." Unskilled entry level full-time employees shouldn't be the equivalent of slave wages. There are 18 year olds with no experience or skills or living family members. They should still be able to eat and pay rent on a full time entry job. No society should have systemic 'working' poverty.
8. The highest pay level for any payscale needs to be kept from skyrocketing millionaire-ism. CEOs need to stop sitting on one another's boards and giving one another outrageous salaries. By capping the top, this is how you afford a living-wage payscale for unskilled entry jobs at the bottom. The payscale needs to be raised at the bottom and lowered at the top.
9. When the business does well, everyone should be getting a bonus, from top to bottom.
10. Anyone with a tattoo or dyed hair should be immediately terminated.
TrainsOfDisney
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This makes me think everything you wrote was a joke? Most of your points I agree with?
el_super
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I think it was a reading test. Looks like you passed!
Vegas Disney Fan
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100% agree with 1-6, agree with 7 with the caveat that people need to accept making ends meet may mean roommates, a beat up car, and skipping Starbucks, agree with 8 with the caveat that people who risk it all starting a business should have no cap, they take the risk they should reap the rewards, 100% agree with 9, and laughed way to hard when I read 10.
1-9 is real and serious.
10 is a subtextual joke regarding the interminable debate in this thread over appearance, in that, compared to 1-9, it is grossly and surprisingly out of place and should not be an issue at all with regard to things like pay or being hired or not.
Now that I've explained the joke, I'm sure people will start laughing!!!!
James Alucobond
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I mean, it is still an issue even with the current code if you have the wrong kind of tattoo in the wrong place.
It is about the overlap between what Disney thinks is okay for their image, what is accepted in society, and the realities of their labor pool.
MagicHappens1971
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Dish washers at Disney make more than $18/hr. I believe it’s $21/hr
TrainsOfDisney
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Well…. Yes and no. Disney World will not hire you with certain hair styles, certain tattoos, and certain piercings.
This thread started with the idea that certain gray areas would be pulled back a bit, and I suggested that maybe they would take back some of the jewelry - as I find that the most distracting.
With the current policy - tattoos are still pretty rare and usually fairly small and not that noticeable. Clunky bracelets and medallion necklaces however, are.
MagicHappens1971
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The tattoos isn’t really true (for the most part) as long as you can cover them it’s not really an issue. Disney had plenty of CMs with tattoos pre-2021 that just had to cover them.
I don’t really have any issues with the new Disney Look policy and am glad it allows CMs more flexibility. I would say 1 in 5 CMs probably have visible tattoos and it doesn’t bother me.
Brian
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They're at $19/hour now, and will cap at $22/hour in FY 2027.