NBA Playoffs

SpongeScott

SpongeScott

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:brick: Too many "what ifs" in your post. This was Kobe's year and the writers agreed. Paul had a great season, but it wasn't to be. You can make arguments for both of them all day long and it was close, but Kobe got the votes.
 
Dukeblue1016

Dukeblue1016

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SpongeScott said:
:brick: Too many "what ifs" in your post. This was Kobe's year and the writers agreed. Paul had a great season, but it wasn't to be. You can make arguments for both of them all day long and it was close, but Kobe got the votes.
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:brick:right back at ya cuz it couldn't possibly have been any less neccessary...



There were no what if's...

not one... not a single, solitary WHAT IF...

so... where are the "two many what ifs in your post"????



a what if is if I said "what if chris paul had Pau Gasol" or something like that...

I said.. "without chris paul the Hornets are a 30 win team; the lakers are a 40 win team..."

that isn't a what if statement... because I go on to say... HAVING Chris Paul makes them 26 games better... and the Lakers 17-18 games better...

It wasn't "kobe's year."

i don't understand this statement... it's "kobe's year"

why? the lakers were 31-19 before the Gasol trade... and after they were 26-6...

so..... they've won 62% before... and a whopping 82% AFTER THE TRADE...

so... now i will play a whatif... if they don't make the Gasol trade... they're a 51 win team... AND STILL HAVE A BETTER SUPPORTING CAST THEN CP3 HAS...

51 wins lands them tied for the 7th slot...

Kobe is playing with a perrennial All-Star... Chris Paul is playing with guys who wouldn't shine anywhere else because he gets them their every opportunity... David West is very limited offensive but gets numerous open looks because of CP3... he is too undersized at the 4 in the Western Conference to play WITHOUT Chris Paul... Chandeler is simply an athlete who can rebound, Chris Paul gets him open dunks and layups... Peja cannot create his own shot anymore and so he needs CP3 to draw his defender and get open looks... same for Mo Pete...

they have no other playmakers but him...

So again, Kobe is the better talent... Chris Paul provides about 10x more VALUE to his basketball team...


but you probably just looked at stats, listened to the talking heads... and decided "oh its Kobe's year because he's been great for 10 years"

right...


:brick:
 
SpongeScott

SpongeScott

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:dazzle:

And I wonder why the NBA hasn't given you a ballot yet since you're so qualified to run all these scenarios. :rolleyes:

Kobe won.

Paul didn't.

Get over it.
 
bsandersjr

bsandersjr

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maggiegrace1 said:
I also think Chris Paul should have won..but I am biased..LOL..;)
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Me too.

But I think the Kobe got it because CP3 is younger, and has only really started to prove himself as an "MVP" caliber player this season. If CP3 were in the league for as long as Kobe, and doing the same thing for his team on a consistant year by year basis, I think he would have won.
 
Dukeblue1016

Dukeblue1016

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SpongeScott said:
:dazzle:

And I wonder why the NBA hasn't given you a ballot yet since you're so qualified to run all these scenarios. :rolleyes:

Kobe won.

Paul didn't.

Get over it.
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Once again... I don't understand the concept of this post??? :shrug:

Do you not understand what a discussion is...

Yes... Kobe did win... can I not state my own opinion???

"get over it" is something you say to someone who is complaining... I despise Chris Paul... he always dominated Duke at Wake Forest and I don't like him... so... what would I have to complain about???

It's called "opinion" not complaint... "opinion"

Whoever becomes the next President are you gonna just say "they're president, And I wonder why the Us Government hasn't given you a ballot yet since you're so qualified to run all these scenarios. :rolleyes:" to anyone who simply states their reasoning why on a personal level feel the other candidate should have won???

Probably not...

also, you're two arguments to oppose my points I've made have been this...

"it was Kobe's year"

oh okay right... I forgot... the David Stern came out and took away the title "2007-2008 NBA season" and put in the title "Kobe's Season"

right. Wow I forgot... so whoever wins the finals this year; 10 years from now people will always say "the champion of the Kobe Year was so and so" not "the champion of the 2007-2008 year was so and soo"

OOPS... my mistake, sorry, I missed the memo...



Hey... they better shut down this site... I thought forums were meant for discussions... but, we're not allowed to discuss things here; we have to accept what has happened and are entirely discouraged from expressing our opinions...

All opinions must be thrown out the window... this is a fact-based world...


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WDWFREAK53

WDWFREAK53

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The term "Valuable" is where the argument comes into play.

Using the term Valuable in one way...I think KG gets the award. The Celts had the biggest swing in record this year and the only major added player was Garnett. Sure they added Allen...but this is a defensive team this year...and KG is the keystone to the structure.

Using it another way...Chris Paul gets it because, like DukeBlue said, I think he helped his team the most of the three candidates.

Using it another way...Kobe gets it because he is the all around best player in the league. He's a playmaker and you're giving him the ball in the clutch...and when you do so, he usually comes through.

We could argue this until the cows come home...but the fact is...Kobe holds the title.
 
Dukeblue1016

Dukeblue1016

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WDWFREAK53 said:
The term "Valuable" is where the argument comes into play.

Using the term Valuable in one way...I think KG gets the award. The Celts had the biggest swing in record this year and the only major added player was Garnett. Sure they added Allen...but this is a defensive team this year...and KG is the keystone to the structure.

Using it another way...Chris Paul gets it because, like DukeBlue said, I think he helped his team the most of the three candidates.

Using it another way...Kobe gets it because he is the all around best player in the league. He's a playmaker and you're giving him the ball in the clutch...and when you do so, he usually comes through.

We could argue this until the cows come home...but the fact is...Kobe holds the title.
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I couldn't agree more... all around

this is the point I was trying to get to, and again, just trying to share my opinion more or less to engage in some kind of discussion; get some others opinion on it... like this

But this is essentially how I was looking at it... by no means was I trying to take away from Kobe... like you said, he was hands down the best player in the league, most clutch... overall biggest playmaker...



by the way WDWFreak... how much did you enjoy last night's game???

RAY RAY GOT IT GOING!!!!

Obviously he would... he's the man...

I think Lebron drops 40 in game 3 and wouldn't be surprised if we lost... but I think we take 1 of 2 in Cleveland... and bring her home in Game 5 at home...
 
macsmom

macsmom

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Dukeblue1016 said:
CELTICS!!!!



honestly... i gotta question how anyone can root for Manu "all I do is fall over from every gust of wind" Ginobili...

if a player comes within like a foot of him he dives out of bounds like he was hit with a crow-bar...

its awful for the game of basketball how pathetic he is... he is a solid basketball player and entirely ruins it by playing like a girl...

:fork: :fork: :fork: :fork: :fork: :fork:
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One of the first Spurs games I ever watched, Manu had a great game. I don't know...I just like him. But, BUT, if the Spurs go down in flames, I gotta go with Boston. I watched them in the "old days" of Bird and the others.

danna
 
Dukeblue1016

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macsmom said:
One of the first Spurs games I ever watched, Manu had a great game. I don't know...I just like him. But, BUT, if the Spurs go down in flames, I gotta go with Boston. I watched them in the "old days" of Bird and the others.

danna
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Are you a Spurs fan? I mean if I was a Spurs fan I'd love him; but the Spurs are one of my most hated teams... dating back to 1997 when the Celtics were the worst team in the league and LOST THE LOTTERY FOR FIRST PICK IN THE DRAFT TO THE SPURS... landing them Tim Duncan when he should have been in a Celtics jersey all this time :(

so, as a Spurs hater, I hate watching Manu play... he is an AWESOME player, so much talent; and he does everything well... I wish the Celtics had him, but I feel like coming from Europe where Soccer is huge and all they do in Soccer is flop around the field all day he picked up some bad habits... because he flops A LOT...

(kinda like Lebron... :lookaroun)
 
SpongeScott

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Dukeblue1016 said:
Are you a Spurs fan? I mean if I was a Spurs fan I'd love him; but the Spurs are one of my most hated teams... dating back to 1997 when the Celtics were the worst team in the league and LOST THE LOTTERY FOR FIRST PICK IN THE DRAFT TO THE SPURS... landing them Tim Duncan when he should have been in a Celtics jersey all this time :(

so, as a Spurs hater, I hate watching Manu play... he is an AWESOME player, so much talent; and he does everything well... I wish the Celtics had him, but I feel like coming from Europe where Soccer is huge and all they do in Soccer is flop around the field all day he picked up some bad habits... because he flops A LOT...

(kinda like Lebron... :lookaroun)
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At least we agree on this. :animwink:
 
macsmom

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I have family just south of San Antonio, so yeah, I am a Spurs fan. My sister, who does not do sports, loves the Spurs, and she got me back into watching basketball. And, with all the cheering she does for the Spurs (Go Spurs, Go), she has got me cheering for them. I lived in Philly for a while so I cheered for them for many years. I went to several games when the Sixers and the Celtics were playing. I got away from basketball for years, but now cheer on just about anyone. Kind of discovered my love for the game again. I still don't understand parts of it, but I enjoy it!

danna
 
macsmom

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Oh, what is the difference in the way Europe plays basketball and the way they do here in the USA? I read somewhere that Manu has to adjust the way he plays when he comes back here for the season.

danna
 
WDWFREAK53

WDWFREAK53

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Dukeblue1016 said:
I couldn't agree more... all around

this is the point I was trying to get to, and again, just trying to share my opinion more or less to engage in some kind of discussion; get some others opinion on it... like this

But this is essentially how I was looking at it... by no means was I trying to take away from Kobe... like you said, he was hands down the best player in the league, most clutch... overall biggest playmaker...



by the way WDWFreak... how much did you enjoy last night's game???

RAY RAY GOT IT GOING!!!!

Obviously he would... he's the man...

I think Lebron drops 40 in game 3 and wouldn't be surprised if we lost... but I think we take 1 of 2 in Cleveland... and bring her home in Game 5 at home...
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I'm a big Allen fan...and to see him struggle was killing me. I was almost dreading it when he had the ball in his hands. But...did he ever get it going. It was like they shifted into high gear after the first quarter!

I'm so glad this is a great series. Both teams are playing to win...
 
Dukeblue1016

Dukeblue1016

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macsmom said:
Oh, what is the difference in the way Europe plays basketball and the way they do here in the USA? I read somewhere that Manu has to adjust the way he plays when he comes back here for the season.

danna
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I'd have to say one big difference is size...

Players in the NBA are much bigger and stronger...

The NBA is also much more of a one on one game...

In Europe I know they play more well-rounded team basketball and more often the best team is truly the best TEAM... and not the team with the most superstars or things like that...

I also believe they play a lot more zone defenses and full court pressure than they do here in the USA... and that there is just a lot more movement all around...




WDWFREAK53 said:
I'm a big Allen fan...and to see him struggle was killing me. I was almost dreading it when he had the ball in his hands. But...did he ever get it going. It was like they shifted into high gear after the first quarter!

I'm so glad this is a great series. Both teams are playing to win...
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Ray Allen has been my favorite player in the NBA since he joined the league... I loved him at Uconn...

so when we got him, I believe I received like 20 phone calls within 20 minutes of the trade... everyone was like "DUDE YOU MUST BE GOING CRAZY"

so like you said... to see him struggle gets at me a lot more than anyone else... I HATE to see it...
 

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