Mystery Project at Epcot

[George]

Yeah, people do like it in CA too. I enjoy the ride, as it's a nice placid 'hang', but I equate it to the swings at a Coney Island type fair - they're fun to do, but there's really not a lot to it. I can't equate Soarin' to something like HM or Splash or Tower or Horizons. Just totally different types of attractions to me.

I consider you "in the know", so I take this as proof that Horizons is coming back. I'll wait 23.4 seconds for you to confirm before I start my thread.

 

[Hakunamatata]

I consider you "in the know", so I take this as proof that Horizons is coming back. I'll wait 23.4 seconds for you to confirm before I start my thread.

Could you link to your thread please?

 

[articos]

I consider you "in the know", so I take this as proof that Horizons is coming back. I'll wait 23.4 seconds for you to confirm before I start my thread.

Not. Happening. As much as I would love to say otherwise. I do have various "things" from Horizons squirreled away, though. (If I could double like your post, I would.) Made me laugh.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

This is how you make it work within the Epcot story. Hat tip to EL.

Soarin' is surprisingly close to the backside of the Canada pavilion.

Yes, the rest of this post is entirely predictable. It is not unfeasible to build a corridor from Canada to Soarin', and play 'Soarin over Canada'. If on the entire planet one country was made for a Soarin' movie, it is vast, mountaineous Canada, with all its jaw-dropping splendour.

Imagine gliding over those Rockies...'Oh Canada' blasting through the speakers...the cold breeze of thawing snow coming at you...the fresh smell of maple leaf forests in spring...

 

[George]

Could you link to your thread please?

I'll put it in the Marvel thread since one of the alternate futures you can choose will be to live in the Marvel universe.

 

[George]

Soarin' is surprisingly close to the backside of the Canada pavilion.

Yes, the rest of this post is entirely predictable. It is not unfeasible to build a corridor from Canada to Soarin', and play 'Soarin over Canada'. If on the entire planet one country was made for a Soarin' movie, it is vast, mountaineous Canada, with all its jaw-dropping splendour.

Imagine those gliding over those Rockies...'Oh Canada' blasting through the speakers...the cold breeze of thawing snow coming at you...the fresh smell of maple leaf forests in spring...

Canada already has that beer cheddar cheese soup thing going on, which is an attraction unto itself.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Edit: Also, it was/is actually in various regional parks besides the Universal Parks.

I think it is also on Netflix and several of the home releases.

 

[articos]

I think it is also on Netflix and several of the home releases.

Most likely, yes. Wouldn't surprise me at all. Not the same experience, though.

 

[jdmdisney99]

They should have random experiences, with a film for each WS country, so you don't know where you'll be "flying" until the pre-show. Could you imagine the guest reaction when Patrick says "Today we'll be traveling...all around the world."

 

[marni1971]

I think it is also on Netflix and several of the home releases.

And also in the DVD box set.

 

[Cosmic Commando]

Soarin' is surprisingly close to the backside of the Canada pavilion.

Yes, the rest of this post is entirely predictable. It is not unfeasible to build a corridor from Canada to Soarin', and play 'Soarin over Canada'. If on the entire planet one country was made for a Soarin' movie, it is vast, mountaineous Canada, with all its jaw-dropping splendour.

Imagine gliding over those Rockies...'Oh Canada' blasting through the speakers...the cold breeze of thawing snow coming at you...the fresh smell of maple leaf forests in spring...

Actually, Jim Hill wrote that there will be an expansion of the Rockies facade to cover the Soarin' building and house a new show building for a Canadian raft ride... in 2004.

Why are we hatin' on Soarin' again?

 

[jt04]

Actually, Jim Hill wrote that there will be an expansion of the Rockies facade to cover the Soarin' building and house a new show building for a Canadian raft ride... in 2004.

Why are we hatin' on Soarin' again?

Because it is popular. Some are here just to disparage WDW/TDO.

I do like the possibility it could be incorporated into the Canadian pavilion. That would be AWESOME. Not just the façade but the actual attraction featuring Canada. The current 360 room could be used as the pre-show and queue.

 

[Wikkler]

I would like to see all of the "ideas" and projects that were drawn up and never seen.

Go to the Neverland Files....
They have tons of them.

I am so glad the Time Racers concept never happened. My hatred for what they were planning to do to SSE knows no bounds in that regard. Epcot's Future World has already been mutilated almost beyond recognition and possibly beyond truly saving unless something truly miraculous happens with Disney's corporate leadership and creative team. We lost the wonderful Horizons, Imagination and World of Motion attractions already in favor of what's i'd readily and willingly argue to be garbage. Or at the very least objectively infinitely lesser experiences than what was there, a massive no-no for when you're trying to replace an attraction. Even Wonders of Life, despite not being as fantastic as some of the other pavilions, showed that Disney could still create fun heart-filled attractions with a limited budget (and we lost that too).

If you're going to go hacking away at a wonderful park like Epcot and replacing it's still-awesome classics (at least most of which I am convinced could have been plussed in a similar manner to SSE in '94 and still be amazing and futuristic today), you'd better ****damn well have a jaw droppingly amazing roster of fantastic new attractions planned that are superior in every way to what was there before. Otherwise don't you DARE touch it.

At least the majority of Spaceship Earth is still intact (even though they did their best to destroy the uplifting and epic ending from the '94 version). It was truly a blessing that apparently the structure couldn't support the concept they had in place. In most other situations i'd once again mock Disney's cheapness at shying away from spending money on necessary upgrades, but i'll make a rare exception here. At least there's still some heart to Epcot with what remains of Spaceship Earth.

Yes, I highly dislike Time Racers. The rest of the plan is attractive to me, though.

 

[NoChesterHester]

Yes, I highly dislike Time Racers. The rest of the plan is attractive to me, though.

Fortunately Time Racers was never truly realistic since the Spaceship Earth attraction is structurally integrated to the geodesic dome.

As for much of the plan, I found it really attractive as well. Specifically the greening up of Future World. The idyllic future isn't a barren world of brutalist industrial buildings, it is a green integrated world.

Nostalgia drives so much of the love for Epcot. It is difficult to debate here without a lot of venom being spewed.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

Nostalgia drives so much of the love for Epcot. It is difficult to debate here without a lot of venom being spewed.

No, no, our love for EPCOT is driven to nostalgia. It is the other way round.

And venom? There's no such thing as that around here. Tsk. I now don't want to talk to you anymore, you empty headed animal food through wiper. I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries!

 

[tirian]

Specifically the greening up of Future World. The idyllic future isn't a barren world of brutalist industrial buildings, it is a green integrated world.

Nostalgia drives so much of the love for Epcot. It is difficult to debate here without a lot of venom being spewed.

The original Future World was very green, with ponds and trees in the plaza behind SSE.

 

[PeterAlt]

A Newer Hope!

http://variety.com/2013/film/news/p...cy-cutting-close-to-neutron-jacks-1200381555/

According to the above article, Tom Staggs is the top candidate right now to take on the top job as CEO when Iger resigns in 2015.

He is the one who decided that FLE needed a Snow White Mine Coaster and that Hyperion Warf needed to be replaced by a much more massive project called Disney Springs.

Imagine what he would green light for WDW if he's elected CEO!

The article also says Kathleen Kennedy is also in the running. Both would be great!

 

[G00fyDad]

A Newer Hope!

http://variety.com/2013/film/news/p...cy-cutting-close-to-neutron-jacks-1200381555/

According to the above article, Tom Staggs is the top candidate right now to take on the top job as CEO when Igre resigns in 2015.

He is the one who decided that FLE needed a Snow White Mine Coaster and that Hyperion Warf needed to be replaced by a much more massive project called Disney Springs.

Imagine what he would green light for WDW if he's elected CEO!

The article also says Kathleen Kennedy is also in the running. Both would be great!

But remember, they have a board of directors to answer to as well. Eisner may have just had an easier board to deal with. Maybe Iger wants to do these things, but he may not be able to get the board to unclinch their rears to let that penny drop.

 

[PeterAlt]

But remember, they have a board of directors to answer to as well. Eisner may have just had an easier board to deal with. Maybe Iger wants to do these things, but he may not be able to get the board to unclinch their rears to let that penny drop.

Don't forget that Tim Cook (Apple's CEO) is chairman. Cook promotes creativity and innovation. Creatives also now own the majority of the stock (Jobs Family Trust and George Lucas), so I see new creatives being elected to the Board. Staggs shouldn't have a problem. Iger hasn't been so friendly to the creative element of the company.

Edit - I see Lucas promoting Kennedy, so Kennedy may have a better chance than Staggs. I'm not sure who the Jobs Family Trust or Eisner would promote. Eisner might go with Kennedy, since she's from film.

 

[G00fyDad]

Don't forget that Tim Cook (Apple's CEO) is chairman. Cook promotes creativity and innovation. Creatives also now own the majority of the stock (Jobs Family Trust and George Lucas), so I see new creatives being elected to the Board. Staggs shouldn't have a problem. Iger hasn't been so friendly to the creative element of the company.

Edit - I see Lucas promoting Kennedy, so Kennedy may have a better chance than Staggs. I'm not sure who the Jobs Family Trust or Eisner would promote. Eisner might go with Kennedy, since she's from film.

I hope you're right, but I have seen too many company's boards, especially with the recent economic troubles, pinch their pennies very tightly. Regardless of creativity or what they know they need to do. I really do think that the board needs more creative thinkers and not more financial worriers.