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Nubs70

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ttalovebug

Active Member
I'm finding some of this extremely confusing and I'm trying to wrap my head around the logic. Maybe that's my problem. There's no logic, just greed behind it. Here's what makes no sense:

1- The whole idea that once you use the first FP+ of the day, you're locked into that park- So why bother with a park hopper? (Isn't that cutting into Disney's own profits?)

2- If someone doesn't participate in MM+ (either staying at Swan and Dolph (do they count?) or downtown Disney, not at 'Disney' hotels)- Then are there still regular FPs? I'd rather have those and not be locked into 3 choices that may or not be what makes sense or actually what I want to waste time doing.

3- As far as these special FP+ only events/attractions- While vague, I'm sure those of us who've gone to WDW more than a handful of times will find these a poor use of the term 'perk'.

Since this whole idea was announced, it just sounds like it will be a huge headache. Rides are constantly shutting down for unknown time periods during normal operations. So when someone uses one of their 3 FPs+ on a ride that has this issue, then what? Or what about all 3? Say Splash, Space, and I don't know...Little Mermaid are all down for the times the person has reserved. They tried to use the one for Splash but it shut down as they were about to board. So now they're locked into MK? Are they deferred to later? Do they get them back? Are the CMs at Guest Services going to be able to handle it when this inevitably happens?

WDW and the powers that be there are relying much too much on this technology to handle everything. All it would take is a power outage, a server outage, or some virus and nothing will move.

I am now envisioning one of our own- an enraged fanboi, that is- devising a hacking plan that would destroy the system for one day once it goes live, resulting in furious stampedes of the wifi-less masses to Guest Relations desks resort wide and sending TDO into their worst nightmares.


If anyone of you are particularly skilled in this area, feel free to take inspiration from this post. ;)
 

ttalovebug

Active Member
I can't help but think that when these type details start coming out, that's when the typical park goer will start to complain. And then bad press. And then the back pedaling. I know I'm dreaming, but this is really going to start making people pretty angry.


One can only hope. My fear is that as always, the ignorant masses who visit WDW will accept it. That's how we've arrived at the low standard we're at today.

But this system seems to be designed to rip off the people who are too ignorant about WDW to know that they shouldn't waste their precious few FPs on a parade spot or Monsters Inc. Laugh Floor. This, in theory, will even things out across the board, so for TDO, no harm done. But those people will feel ripped off. They will go home, and chances are they won't recommend a trip to Disney to their friends or family. I hope that this gives Disney a bad rep, and forces them to take a hard look at themselves.
 

vinnya1726

Active Member
I doubt they will ever get to the point of charging outright for it. The fact that they are currently able to say that FastPass is included in the cost of all park tickets is a huge selling point to them because they can essentially say "We're not Universal, we don't charge you for this service."

My theory is that everybody will have 3 FP+, bare minimum. On-site, off-site, day guest, AP. Everyone will get 3. I think where the system will have perks and benefits for a premium will be tossed in later but in an indirect way. Rather than the guest's having to pay a flat rate to access the system, I believe that down the road guests who are staying on-site at deluxe and DVC resorts will automatically be granted additional FP+ just for staying at the resort (re: paying more money). Disney could then use this as a selling point for upgrading to a more expensive resort.

Oh you're staying at Pop Century? Well unfortunately, you only get 3 FP+ options a day. Upgrade to Caribbean Beach and you can get 5. Upgrade to Grand Floridian and get 7 AND the ability to book FP+ at multiple parks in the same day.

In this way, Disney could still market the FP+ system itself as "free" to all guests. Which, in a way, is true. You're never handing over money in any one transaction for the right to use FP+, however, the money you're handing over in other transactions across property could very likely determine the overall FP+ experience you have.


I think you nailed it. This is the way to make the system work and help give those who stay on property an incentive for staying on property.
 

Nubs70

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It gives me the feeling that we will have segregated experiences on a mass scale.

We will have the Wal-Mart experience, the Target experience, and the Tiffanies experience. I due understand that current options allow for the Tiffanies experience but it's a specific individual addition. MM+ serves to place this right out front. If this comes to pass, when looking at GF, I see a beautiful lodging experience that I wish I could partake in but cannot financially justify, but I will have the same in park experience if I stay at a moderate.

If MM+ plays out as described above, I will look at the GF as lodging I cannot financially justify which will result in a diminished park experience. Therefore, why do I want to spend thousands for a knowingly diminished experience?

The beautiful thing about the current FP setup is regardless if you are staying in a concierge deluxe villa, value, or off site at Motel 6, we all have the same opportunity at the in park experience (unless you specifically buy the Tiffanies add on).
 

R W B

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Wdw1974- thanks for the much needed break down on this that I've been waiting for.

With that said, FP+ is a joke IMO. I'm already locked into a trip in March '14 but if the FP+ stays the same, my wdw trips will start to dwindle down. I don't want to deal with all this planning. I'm going on a vacation, why make me work? I do enough planning in with my business on a day to day basis when I go on vacation, I just want to go with the flow and they are making that anything but easy. I already think ADRs at 180 days is crazy, now they want me to plan rides 60 days out?? And quick service food too?? Then like a few other posts I read, I do 2-3 parks a day but I guess I'm screwed with that since I only have 3 FP+ to use all in 1 park.

So who came up with this FP+ idea and thought it was so great? TDO execs or other suits?
 

WaltsWorld

Member
While everyone seems fairly unsure about this whole shendig, I've heard the exact opposite reactions from the Guests. I work in the MK and I ask almost all of the Guests involved with the test what they think. All of them have given fantastic reviews. So either they like the benefits of being a "cool-tester with planned fast passes" or it really is a system that will work well inside the parks.
 

StageFrenzy

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While everyone seems fairly unsure about this whole shendig, I've heard the exact opposite reactions from the Guests. I work in the MK and I ask almost all of the Guests involved with the test what they think. All of them have given fantastic reviews. So either they like the benefits of being a "cool-tester with planned fast passes" or it really is a system that will work well inside the parks.

column A, column B and column C that they didn't have to book 60 days out, compete with everyone else for ressies and still get paper fp
 

bubbles1812

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While everyone seems fairly unsure about this whole shendig, I've heard the exact opposite reactions from the Guests. I work in the MK and I ask almost all of the Guests involved with the test what they think. All of them have given fantastic reviews. So either they like the benefits of being a "cool-tester with planned fast passes" or it really is a system that will work well inside the parks.
I'm sure they would be just as pleased having to compete with thousands upon thousands of people rather than just a few hundred as for the test, and when they can't use regular FPs in conjunction with their measly 3 reserved FPs...
 

WaltsWorld

Member
column A, column B and column C that they didn't have to book 60 days out, compete with everyone else for ressies and still get paper fp

Oh good point, I didn't even think about that. I will have to ask the next Guest I see on how they have been planning everything.

Moving past the fp issue, they have all said great things about being able to have everything on one band. It is convenient for paying, I know that. But then again, that is something you could do with your Key to the World.. so that isn't all that special.

I wonder if the Guest's reviews will stay positive until everyone else gets an opportunity to be involved.
 

StageFrenzy

Well-Known Member
Oh good point, I didn't even think about that. I will have to ask the next Guest I see on how they have been planning everything.

Moving past the fp issue, they have all said great things about being able to have everything on one band. It is convenient for paying, I know that. But then again, that is something you could do with your Key to the World.. so that isn't all that special.

I wonder if the Guest's reviews will stay positive until everyone else gets an opportunity to be involved.

Plus you bedazzle it with mickey and friends! I would imagine everything will stay positive till multiple attractions go down orrrrr everyone else gets involved.
 

vinnya1726

Active Member
I was thinking today...what if you pre-order an annual pass...how is that gonna work. If you don't already have one, they will not go live until they are activated which you would do when you visit the parks the first time. I think this would prevent you from making those reservations...not a good selling point for the AP.
 

WaltsWorld

Member
I'm still quite frightened about the prospects of people having reserved seats for the nighttime entertainment. I'm thinking into the distant (and ideally, fictional) future and I see nothing but guests reserving spots all over Main Street for their viewing pleasure.

Parade Audience Control already has to deal with plenty of angry guests who feel like they deserve a seat at the parade (even though they didn't wait for the 2 hours like the other guests). Imagine trying to tell the guests that they were 2 months two late in picking a seat… oy.
 

BigThunderMatt

Well-Known Member
I'm still quite frightened about the prospects of people having reserved seats for the nighttime entertainment. I'm thinking into the distant (and ideally, fictional) future and I see nothing but guests reserving spots all over Main Street for their viewing pleasure.

Parade Audience Control already has to deal with plenty of angry guests who feel like they deserve a seat at the parade (even though they didn't wait for the 2 hours like the other guests). Imagine trying to tell the guests that they were 2 months two late in picking a seat… oy.


Only if they're stupid enough to do it. The fireworks viewing is pointless, you can see the fireworks from almost anywhere in the park. Only people who are adamant about seeing the castle in the foreground need be concerned. Also, there are 2 parades almost every single night anymore. Unless you're a wuss who can't stick it out for the 2nd parade which is always easy to get a spot for except on the busiest of nights, you have nothing to worry about.

The people blowing their FP's on priority viewing are really just gaining the convenience of not having to stake out a spot 90+ minutes before that first parade. Other than that all they're doing is providing the rest of us with FPs for top tier attractions that they gave up to get their fireworks and parade FPs.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
I'm still quite frightened about the prospects of people having reserved seats for the nighttime entertainment. I'm thinking into the distant (and ideally, fictional) future and I see nothing but guests reserving spots all over Main Street for their viewing pleasure.

Parade Audience Control already has to deal with plenty of angry guests who feel like they deserve a seat at the parade (even though they didn't wait for the 2 hours like the other guests). Imagine trying to tell the guests that they were 2 months two late in picking a seat… oy.

I imagine that they would have cordoned off areas around the route for "reserved FP seating", and from that point in the seating wouldn't be "reserved"...just the section. Where you sit once admitted to that section is still up in the air.

This is how they do "reserved" seating for World of Color in DCA, and how they handle "Fantasmic Package" reserved seating in WDW.
 

wdw_nerd

New Member
While everyone seems fairly unsure about this whole shendig, I've heard the exact opposite reactions from the Guests. I work in the MK and I ask almost all of the Guests involved with the test what they think. All of them have given fantastic reviews. So either they like the benefits of being a "cool-tester with planned fast passes" or it really is a system that will work well inside the parks.


Do you have any idea when this is going to be officially rolled out? I'm assuming not during the busy summer period, maybe sept - oct when it's a little slower and they can work out bugs?
 

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