My DHS

ctxak98

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Nice idea, a land based on my favorite era! I also posted about a 50's rock n roller coaster once too :p

The only problem I have is, what does this have to do with the film industry? Like I get the land is based on Hollywood but surely it has to be Hollywood and movies.
The challenge didn'y say anything about it relating to FILM! It said hollywood and time period. what does Sunset Boulevard have to do with Film then!?

PLUS the American BandStand was a television show and counts towards the Hollywood and Stars theme and so does The Fabulous Fifties which will take you through the 50's biggest films, tv series and music!?...so the other stuff is a bonus...I guess I dont see what I did wrong.
 

WED99

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The challenge didn'y say anything about it relating to FILM! It said hollywood and time period. what does Sunset Boulevard have to do with Film then!?

PLUS the American BandStand was a television show and counts towards the Hollywood and Stars theme and so does The Fabulous Fifties which will take you through the 50's biggest films, tv series and music!?...so the other stuff is a bonus...I guess I dont see what I did wrong.
I don't know what Jdm's rules are but I still wouldn't get the point of having an area in DHS not related to film. Isn't that part of the current problem, not having a strong enough theme?

Most of the building on Sunset Boulevard are movie theaters, but I agree it doesn't have enough to do with film. That's why I am fixing that by adding more but keeping the Hollywood culture everyone loves.

My advice, don't take inspiration from the current DHS :)
 

ctxak98

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I don't know what Jdm's rules are but I still wouldn't get the point of having an area in DHS not related to film. Isn't that part of the current problem, not having a strong enough theme?

Most of the building on Sunset Boulevard are movie theaters, but I agree it doesn't have enough to do with film. That's why I am fixing that by adding more but keeping the Hollywood culture everyone loves.

My advice, don't take inspiration from the current DHS :)
But it does relate to film...either way it does. Not every area in DHS has to be about the "movies". It can be about celebrating the movies, music, and tv of certain time periods. I mean Tower of Terro has to do with a created twilight zone (tv series) episode later then made a tv movie. Its actually has nothing to do with FILM...should we just scrap the ride then?

And what Did I do that modeled after the current DHS? And I am sorry If I sound mean lol I amnot trying to be mean or snippy....I seriously don't see a problem.
 

WED99

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Film and TV all the same genre in my eyes. No we don't need to scrap ToT, it actually was a movie in the 80's.

You said, and I quote, what does Sunset Blvd have to do with film?! Re-enforcing your land with the current DHS.

If you think not all of DHS should do with film then that's fine, but in my eyes that's the current problem. People go to DHS wanting Disney's movie studio park, I think with this thread we should be trying to deliver that. In my opinion your area is not contributing to this and I think it would just cause an uproar of confusion from guests asking "what does the 50's have to do with film studios?"
 

ctxak98

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Actually...tower of terro was not an 80's movie but nice try. The disney studios is a park celebrating hollywood. Wether it be past or present it doesn't have to resemble JUST disney. And my area would obviously feature buildings that resemble hollywood. It would be random little buildings that don't match? Do you even understand what I am saying? Adding sets and interactive stuff to sunset boulevard would ruin that section of the park. To me its one of the only areas I like! It flows well. Personally we don't need another disney themed park of different movies done by disney. Its ok to have more of epcot style in out parks.
 

WED99

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Actually...tower of terro was not an 80's movie but nice try. The disney studios is a park celebrating hollywood. Wether it be past or present it doesn't have to resemble JUST disney. And my area would obviously feature buildings that resemble hollywood. It would be random little buildings that don't match? Do you even understand what I am saying? Adding sets and interactive stuff to sunset boulevard would ruin that section of the park. To me its one of the only areas I like! It flows well. Personally we don't need another disney themed park of different movies done by disney. Its ok to have more of epcot style in out parks.
http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0086491/

I meant to say Twilight Zone was a movie, sorry about that. I wouldn't say that the park celebrates just Hollywood, what about Star Wars and Pixar and Muppets. I think the park is based on film studios and the Hollywood is just used to be instantly recognized with that theme. I never once said it had to be just Disney so not sure where you got that from. I also never said it would random little buildings that wouldn't match. I just think your area would cause confusion. If you feel like Sunset Blvd flow well, vote for my idea then because I am leaving Sunset Blvd the way it is. Just adding a seperate backlot area not even visible from Sunset Blvd. I have no idea how you would turn DHS into Epcot?! So your vision of DHS is just Hollywood areas? Ok then, good luck with that.

The fact of the matter is @ctxak98 we are both as stubborn as each other. We both love being told we do well but hate being told were wrong. You're just like me so I know your not going to give this up, just like me. That's exactly why I like you on these threads, I can only handle so much niceness ;)
 

ctxak98

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http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0086491/

I meant to say Twilight Zone was a movie, sorry about that. I wouldn't say that the park celebrates just Hollywood, what about Star Wars and Pixar and Muppets. I think the park is based on film studios and the Hollywood is just used to be instantly recognized with that theme. I never once said it had to be just Disney so not sure where you got that from. I also never said it would random little buildings that wouldn't match. I just think your area would cause confusion. If you feel like Sunset Blvd flow well, vote for my idea then because I am leaving Sunset Blvd the way it is. Just adding a seperate backlot area not even visible from Sunset Blvd. I have no idea how you would turn DHS into Epcot?! So your vision of DHS is just Hollywood areas? Ok then, good luck with that.

The fact of the matter is @ctxak98 we are both as stubborn as each other. We both love being told we do well but hate being told were wrong. You're just like me so I know your not going to give this up, just like me. That's exactly why I like you on these threads, I can only handle so much niceness ;)
I agree we are both stubborn! And I still think your wrong but thats neither here nor there! I didn't literally mean EPCOT! but that fact Epcot has little to do with DISNEY esque things or characters! And you did say "people go to DHS to see Disney Movie studio park" I took that as a disney character and movie park! lol. But I Like you are not changing anything on Sunset, however...it still doesnt fit lol. and to clear up confusion on Melrose Avenue is simple. HOW DOES ANY AREA WORK? people dont get confused when you suddenly go from Beauty and the Beast to little Mermaid...It WORKS because the flow and the knowing that anything can happen in disney. Melrose Avenue would just be a continuation of Hollywood Boulevard and Sunset Boulevard...BUT change the Time Period. Still about film and Movies,,,still about the studios just in a different time with some extra goodies to be found.

I think we both have some great ideas and can learn from eachother but your right, we are both stubborn. I still think mines better! ;)..its a joke
 

WED99

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I agree we are both stubborn! And I still think your wrong but thats neither here nor there! I didn't literally mean EPCOT! but that fact Epcot has little to do with DISNEY esque things or characters! And you did say "people go to DHS to see Disney Movie studio park" I took that as a disney character and movie park! lol. But I Like you are not changing anything on Sunset, however...it still doesnt fit lol. and to clear up confusion on Melrose Avenue is simple. HOW DOES ANY AREA WORK? people dont get confused when you suddenly go from Beauty and the Beast to little Mermaid...It WORKS because the flow and the knowing that anything can happen in disney. Melrose Avenue would just be a continuation of Hollywood Boulevard and Sunset Boulevard...BUT change the Time Period. Still about film and Movies,,,still about the studios just in a different time with some extra goodies to be found.

I think we both have some great ideas and can learn from eachother but your right, we are both stubborn. I still think mines better! ;)..its a joke
We'll just have to wait for the poll ;)
 

WED99

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You guys are confusing me. DHS seems to be a park that pays tribute to Hollywood, yet tries to be a studio park with a not in use backlot. Am I correct?
The problem with the current DHS is it doesn't have a particular identity like you're asking for, that's what we're trying to change.
 

Tip Top Club

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To me, the movies, the backlot, and Hollywood all go hand in hand, and thematically make a great park, that's not where, I think, the identity issue comes from.

When I think of Hollywood Studios the first thing that tends to spring to mind are the big three, Rockin' Roller coaster, Tower of Terror, and Toy Story Mania, Three very different attractions. Two of them are thrill rides, One of them is a family ride. Two of them are heavily themed, One of them is a roller coaster through cardboard cutouts.

Toy Story Mania is a great ride, and very popular, and the ONLY family ride in Hollywood Studios. Arguments could be made for the Great Movie Ride and Backlot Tour, but how about saying it's the only family E-Ticket. Toy Story Mania takes place in Andy's Room, yet somehow it enters through Pixar Studios? What?

Tower of Terror is, In my opinion, probably the least offender of the three in the identity department. It's tied into the Twilight Zone, a Classic TV series, creates a huge iconic structure that fits the Golden Age of Hollywood while also creating it's own separate identity. And it's just a great ride.

Rockin' Roller Coaster, However is found at the end of the 30s Hollywood Street, and somehow takes place today, in a modern recording studio. Besides that it has a high height requirement, and features both a launch and inversions, which make it a not-so-family-friendly attraction.

And that's just the big three. Now consider Movie Ride, which is probably my second favorite Hollywood Studios attraction after ToT. It creates such a specific feel and vibe, it really is a city of glitz and glitter, and anything can happen at the movies. It's optimistic and ideal, and with the hijacking, it really is something you can't see anywhere else! Fantasmic, The American Idol Experience, Muppetvision, Indiana Jones Epic Stunt Spectacular, and One Man's Dream also fit this optimistic vibe, and work very well.

That brings me to Star Tours. I love Star Tours (It's right after ToT and GMR in my favorites). But does it fit with the theming? It's a futuristic spaceport that's half movie set...Hmmm...What?

Or Better question...Who cares?

Star Tours the attraction is so well executed, that it simply doesn't matter what the exterior looks like, or if it's a film set or if you're really in space, because it's awesome! Once you get inside the building, you have a very close to perfect experience. I wouldn't use such hyperbole, but the same can pretty much be said for Toy Story, it's not perfect, but because it is a great and popular ride, we as an audience are willing to forgive one or two missteps.

Which then brings me to the reverse of that. Pretty Much everything in between Muppets and Toy Story.

Ugh.

Phineas and Ferb, Cars, Lights Motors Action, Backlot Tour, Streets of America, all of that needs to change!

Let's start with the streets of America, The biggest problem with them is that they are always empty! There is no reason to go back there! The only time anyone lingers on the streets of America is during the Osborne Lights. At one time, Hollywood Studios management was actively looking for other special events to draw people into this are of the park (And therefor away from Toy Story) at other parts of the year, and not just Christmas! It's not just about that! The only attraction back there is LMA! Which only runs two shows a day for most of the year because it's so darn expensive to operate! Which leads to another problem! The premier theater is just sitting there empty! And Management is baffled as to why there is no one back there?

Anyway, LMA is not only the cause of the downfall of the streets of America, but has famously also killed the backlot tour. Bulldozing Residential street, and cutting the tour short, it is a shell of it's former self! And then there's the building between Toy Story and Backlot Tour, it's being used for Offices (It's not just sitting empty as many people have implied, but that is prime real estate. Eventually, something has to go there! But for now it's once again empty!

All of this creates so many traffic flow problems, and so much unused space that no one is quite sure what to do in the back of the park! The park is so uneven, and so unbalanced and that's what causes all of their problems. Their thematic problems, their crowd flow problems, everything!

Anyway, I'm sick of typing and I've already written a novel, so that's my thesis about what is currently wrong with Hollywood Studios.
 

Tip Top Club

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To Re-Iterate my train of though, Regardless of the over-arching theme of Hollywood/Movies/Show Business/Whatever, it is first a foremost a theme park. If you build quality venues (Attractions, Restaurants, Merchandise, Etc) in the right places at the right time, that is what solves your problems.

The other area that probably needs some life injected into is the Animation Area and what's left of Mickey Avenue, but that's just one person's opinion.
 

Californian Elitist

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What bothers me about Hollywood Studios is its title. The "studios" part irks me, because it's not a real film and televison studio (yes, I know it used to be but it's not now, so that's irrelevant). The wannabe backlot is annoying to me, and unless Disney decides to start using it (which they probably aren't), I think it needs to go and the park's name needs to be changed to something else.
 

Tip Top Club

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

NOOOO
NO
NO
NO

You cannot change the name of the park again!

NO.

Incorrect.

Foul.

Paging Dr. NO!

I just wrote a doctrine on the park's identity issues and your suggestion about what's wrong with the park is it's name. No.

No.

I can't even.

Hollywood. Studios. Both themes incorporated into the park, both very relevant to each other. The name is not perfect, but changing it again would just be confusing, and would accomplish nothing but more confusion. Futher Confusement. Endless Confusement. People already don't know the difference between Disneyland and Disney World, Between Magic Kingdom and Disney World, Between Busch Gardens and Animal Kingdom, Between Universal Studios Florida, and Disney's Hollywood Studios. That will never change if you change the name again. They only changed it the first time because they were legally obligated.

No.

No.

Just. No.
 

Californian Elitist

Well-Known Member
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

NOOOO
NO
NO
NO

You cannot change the name of the park again!

NO.

Incorrect.

Foul.

Paging Dr. NO!

I just wrote a doctrine on the park's identity issues and your suggestion about what's wrong with the park is it's name. No.

No.

I can't even.

Hollywood. Studios. Both themes incorporated into the park, both very relevant to each other. The name is not perfect, but changing it again would just be confusing, and would accomplish nothing but more confusion. Futher Confusement. Endless Confusement. People already don't know the difference between Disneyland and Disney World, Between Magic Kingdom and Disney World, Between Busch Gardens and Animal Kingdom, Between Universal Studios Florida, and Disney's Hollywood Studios. That will never change if you change the name again. They only changed it the first time because they were legally obligated.

No.

No.

Just. No.

Why call it a studios park if there's no actual studio?
 

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