"Mouse Arrest" & LPS Monitored Bracelets

[RandomPrincess]

No, I wasn't. When people actually start pre-reserving Fastpasses in advance for their trip and there is one random day on their trip when no Fastpasses are scheduled at all (the Universal day!), this pattern will be easy to identify and believe me it will be studied.

There is a difference between following what crowds and guests do as a wholr and following the Pheneix family. I don't think Disney has any interest in you personally on a minute by minute basis but in what the guests as a whole are doing.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

And of course Disney wouldn't "punish" those that leave property. They would phrase it as "rewarding" those that don't with the prime FP+ times and availability.

 

[Captain Chaos]

I think he was being sarcastic.

Now that he replied, I didn't think so... I have recently heard the tracking will be very invasive... And yet we had defenders coming out saying that was not and would not be the case... Well, apparently, it will be the case.. it was obvious from the start... Disney will track you, with not numbers but your name, and will know where you are, how long you were there, etc etc etc... And please, don't say they been doing this for a long time now.. No, they haven't... Sure, they know when you enter the park, but had no clue when I was in Emporium... And while security cameras caught me entering the shop, they had no idea of my name.. Now, with this tech they will...

 

[Captain Chaos]

There is a difference between following what crowds and guests do as a wholr and following the Pheneix family. I don't think Disney has any interest in you personally on a minute by minute basis but in what the guests as a whole are doing.

... Disney is collecting individual data on you and your family members or friends who join you... Along with crowd flow as a whole...

 

[unkadug]

But, see, you are wrong... Disney is collecting individual data on you and your family members or friends who join you... Along with crowd flow as a whole...

If you were a famous person and you went to WDW you would likely have a guide provided by WDW. The company would then have your name and the knowledge of your immediate whereabouts at all times.

If you had to whole park to yourself, then the company would know your name and your immediate whereabouts at all times.

Why do people feel they have a right to be faceless body in a crowd at times and other times feel they should be treated special?

 

[RandomPrincess]

But, see, you are wrong... Disney is collecting individual data on you and your family members or friends who join you... Along with crowd flow as a whole...

Yes pretty much the same data they have always collected from resort guests using their KTTW cards.

 

[Monty]

Paranoia is always so entertaining...

 

[lazyboy97o]

This would involve readers inside hotel room wings and along the many roadways.

 

[Captain Chaos]

If you were a famous person and you went to WDW you would likely have a guide provided by WDW. The company would then have your name and the knowledge of your immediate whereabouts at all times.

If you had to whole park to yourself, then the company would know your name and your immediate whereabouts at all times.

Why do people feel they have a right to be faceless body in a crowd at times and other times feel they should be treated special?

99.9% of the people visiting WDW are not famous people... 100% of the people visiting WDW never have the parks to themselves...

Simply saying, people were saying and loudly may I add that Disney would never be doing this... But, they are...

 

[Captain Chaos]

Yes pretty much the same data they have always collected from resort guests using their KTTW cards.

So with the KTTW they knew just went I entered Emporium, or when I walked out of World of Disney, especially before RFID? ... The only way they would know I was in Emporium is if I used the card to charge a purchase... If I didn't use the card, they had know way of knowing, other than my imagine on a security camera, which would not read and detect my name...

 

[unkadug]

So with the KTTW they knew just went I entered Emporium, or when I walked out of World of Disney, especially before RFID? ... The only way they would know I was in Emporium is if I used the card to charge a purchase... If I didn't use the card, they had know way of knowing, other than my imagine on a security camera, which would not read and detect my name...

Why do you care if they know where you are?

 

[Captain Chaos]

Paranoia is always so entertaining...

What paranoia? Stating exactly what Disney is doing with this technology is not paranoia... Making up stuff about what they will do with the data, that is paranoia... Worrying that Disney was going to sell your information to Syria and then you wind up a victim of a chemical attack, or they are in bed with the Government of the U.S. to further keep track of the population, that's paranoia.. We know what they are going to do with the data collected... And other than a few here, none of us see anything evil being done with it... We know they will use it to help drive their business... And I do not see anything wrong with that...

 

[Captain Chaos]

Why do you care if they know where you are?

I don't... If I did, I wouldn't have ordered the bands for my October trip... But, there were so called experts here claiming they knew exactly what Disney was doing, that they were not collecting individual data... They were wrong... And that is that...

 

[Monty]

What paranoia? Stating exactly what Disney is doing with this technology is not paranoia... Making up stuff about what they will do with the data, that is paranoia... Worrying that Disney was going to sell your information to Syria and then you wind up a victim of a chemical attack, or they are in bed with the Government of the U.S. to further keep track of the population, that's paranoia.. We know what they are going to do with the data collected... And other than a few here, none of us see anything evil being done with it... We know they will use it to help drive their business... And I do not see anything wrong with that...

I'm quite certain that nobody but Disney know "exactly what Disney is doing with this technology". You have extrapolated what they "could" do to be "exactly" what they "will" do.

The reality is they are highly unlikely to database every movement of every guest. For starters, it would require immense amounts of storage just to keep that information on tens to hundreds of thousands of guests per day. It is much more likely that they will monitor your purchases and send deals to you that fit your buying pattern while you're there. The other aspect that's likely is feeding your name into a ride so as your ride vehicle goes past certain show elements, it "personalizes" your experience. That's likely the limit of "individual" tracking. On a broader scale, they will likely be monitoring in global terms the ebb and flow of guests through the parks and target some extra FP+ at guests in crowded areas to entice them towards less crowded areas.

Tracking every individual's every move, while technically possible, would be quite expensive with little or no return on investment.

 

[Wilt Dasney]

nor will Disney be monitoring them to see if you go visit the competition.

Really? I would think knowing how many days people spend off property is exactly the type of information I'd be interested in if I was crunching data for Disney.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Really? I would think knowing how many days people spend off property is exactly the type of information I'd be interested in if I was crunching data for Disney.

^^^^This!!!!

 

[Wilt Dasney]

...or paid cash or cooked your own food in a villa/suite.

I would think from Disney's point of view, it's not so important WHY you spent a day not engaging with any of their revenue streams* as much as THAT you didn't. People who hang out at the hotel and order pizza or drive up the road to Hogwarts are still people they'd like to figure out how to get more money out of.

I think the idea of punishing people for leaving property is pretty silly, but I can imagine they'd like to figure out how to "optimize engagement with available revenue attractions across length-of-stay" or whatever corporate Powerpoint bullet you care to insert...and this data might be able to help with that.

(*Your example of paying cash wouldn't fall into this category, obviously.)

 

[Captain Chaos]

I'm quite certain that nobody but Disney know "exactly what Disney is doing with this technology". You have extrapolated what they "could" do to be "exactly" what they "will" do.

The reality is they are highly unlikely to database every movement of every guest. For starters, it would require immense amounts of storage just to keep that information on tens to hundreds of thousands of guests per day. It is much more likely that they will monitor your purchases and send deals to you that fit your buying pattern while you're there. The other aspect that's likely is feeding your name into a ride so as your ride vehicle goes past certain show elements, it "personalizes" your experience. That's likely the limit of "individual" tracking. On a broader scale, they will likely be monitoring in global terms the ebb and flow of guests through the parks and target some extra FP+ at guests in crowded areas to entice them towards less crowded areas.

Tracking every individual's every move, while technically possible, would be quite expensive with little or no return on investment.

They can monitor your purchases now without this $2.5 billion dollar investment, without these RFID readers, without these bands... All they need to do is, and I stated this before, to add the purchase to your database when you use the KTTW card as a charge card... With the RFID technology, they will now know when Monty enters Emporium, not just when Monty buys a shirt from Emporium... That is the difference today... And again, no paranoia there... Nothing nefarious going on with that...

And I disagree about tracking each individual's movements would yield little to no return on investment... Again, they now know Monty has entered Emporium, and has spent 10 minutes looking at the tee shirts... apparently, Monty is conflicted, do I buy this shirt now or no?.. Well, Monty gets a text/email: MONTY BUY THIS SHIRT WITHIN THE NEXT 5 MINUTES AND ENJOY 15% OFF!!! Monty buys the shirt... Now, spread that out over 50,000 people a day, for 365 days a year... Yea, they are going to get a nice return on their investment even if half fall for the marketing ploy...

I will agree with you regarding the ebb and flow of guests... And this is where I see this as a positive... They will be able to, with greater ease, determine the most heavily crowded areas... And they can help disperse those crowds... Send a text/email to half the people of a free FP for rides spread over the park to use in the next hour... People think they got a deal and run...

I, for one, do not subscribe to Disney's evil plot that some do with this technology... I'm going to use it in October... I'm waiting for the confirmation email that my bands have been shipped (still have 10 days to customize them so it will be at least another 2 weeks before I get them)... I made my FP+ choices already... I want to test this out for myself before saying if I hate it or like it... I do hate they spent the money on this and not attractions, but it is what it is, and no amount of complaining about it will change things... I can say I don't like the choices of only 3 attractions, but hey, who knows? Maybe they tweek that too...

 

[unkadug]

If I'm spending 10 minutes looking at T-Shirts then I'm obviously committed to buying one. I would welcome a 15% off discount.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Or maybe I'm just standing there waiting for my kid to pick out a pair of mouse ears and they blow up my phone with offers for crap I have absolutely no interest in.

I loathe people spamming my phone.