More detailed blueprints

[_Scar]

The queue, all the way up to the doors.

Pic? Because I was in line and I didn't see anything besides the house. :shrug:

 

[SirGoofy]

You call it pride, I call it snotty :lol:

MK is not a second rate park even though it doesn't have DL's roster . We got 4 parks to spread the love to. They have 1 and a half :lol:

It's a second rate Disney experience. Theming and atmosphere has been sacrificed for convenience, and it's horrible.

And if you're gonna say something like "Disneyland only has 2 parks", well then I'll say Disneyland itself has the same amount of attractions as MK and DHS combined, and once DCA is complete, the resorts will be very, very close.

 

[SirGoofy]

Pic? Because I was in line and I didn't see anything besides the house. :shrug:

Sorry, I don't have one.

 

[DisneyParksFan1]

I'm not trying to bash WDW, I grew up with this resort but, I think it's quality over quantity. We have 4 parks, we earn the most money, but we barely reinvest it in the parks, and when we do, we reinvest in Supersonic Celebrations and crappy shows like HSM, and corny parades, and mediocre refurbs. DL though, they earn to spend and spend well. If we earn the most money, then why aren't we up to par with DLR? As a matter of fact, we should be even better than DLR. The only hope I have is the Fantasy Forest project which is a step in the right direction and is kind of WDW going back to their old ways and the anniversaries like the 40th or 50th.

Precisely, theming has been sacrificed for convenience. Mostly thanks to the tourists. Look at the Tree Massacre as an example.

EDIT: As for HM, I didn't see anything besides the house either.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

The queue, all the way up to the doors.

Looked. Never saw it. I seriously think the shrubs/trees have grown in again.

 

[_Scar]

It's a second rate Disney experience. Theming and atmosphere has been sacrificed for convenience, and it's horrible.

I know where this stems from... Aladdin? :lol:

And if you're gonna say something like "Disneyland only has 2 parks", well then I'll say Disneyland itself has the same amount of attractions as MK and DHS combined, and once DCA is complete, the resorts will be very, very close.

Quality, not quantity. I honestly would not pay to see DCA for the first time until maybe 2011/2012- and I still think it'll be an themeing mess, but we'll see.

Looked. Never saw it. I seriously think the shrubs/trees have grown in again.

*cough*drugs?*cough*

:lol:

 

[DisneyParksFan1]

I know where this stems from... Aladdin? :lol:



Quality, not quantity. I honestly would not pay to see DCA for the first time until maybe 2011/2012- and I still think it'll be an themeing mess, but we'll see.



*cough*drugs?*cough*

:lol:

Precisely!

I disagree. If anything it will be better than what it is now. Goodness what a thematic mess that park is.

 

[SirGoofy]

I'm not trying to bash WDW, I grew up with this resort but, I think it's quality over quantity. We have 4 parks, we earn the most money, but we barely reinvest it in the parks, and when we do, we reinvest in Supersonic Celebrations and crappy shows like HSM, and corny parades, and mediocre refurbs. DL though, they earn to spend and spend well. If we earn the most money, then why aren't we up to par with DLR? As a matter of fact, we should be even better than DLR. The only hope I have is the Fantasy Forest project which is a step in the right direction and is kind of WDW going back to their old ways and the anniversaries like the 40th or 50th.

Precisely, theming has been sacrificed for convenience. Mostly thanks to the tourists. Look at the Tree Massacre as an example.

EDIT: As for HM, I didn't see anything besides the house either.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think all of WDW has this problem, only MK. I think DHS, DAK, and EPCOT are examples of master Disney showmanship.

Looked. Never saw it. I seriously think the shrubs/trees have grown in again.

I'll check next week.

I know where this stems from... Aladdin? :lol:

No, it stems from the loss of small entertainers, the loss of cohesive storylines, the plopping down of attractions where they don't belong, the transformation of the park into a purely character based experience(for the most part).

Quality, not quantity. I honestly would not pay to see DCA for the first time until maybe 2011/2012- and I still think it'll be an themeing mess, but we'll see.

What are you talking about with "Quality not quantity"? You were just talking about WDW's 4 parks compared to DL's 1 and a 1/2.:veryconfu

DL is pure quality WITH quantity, and DCA will have both in a few years as well.

 

[DisneyParksFan1]

Don't get me wrong, I don't think all of WDW has this problem, only MK. I think DHS, DAK, and EPCOT are examples of master Disney showmanship.



I'll check next week.



No, it stems from the loss of small entertainers, the loss of cohesive storylines, the plopping down of attractions where they don't belong, the transformation of the park into a purely character based experience(for the most part).



What are you talking about with "Quality not quantity"? You were just talking about WDW's 4 parks compared to DL's 1 and a 1/2.:veryconfu

DL is pure quality WITH quantity, and DCA will have both in a few years as well.

Oh yes same here. Although I have to say only EPCOT and DAK are examples of Disney showmanship but that is just my opinion.

Wow, it's like you read my mind.

I think WDW will change it's ways though, I being a huge fan and a local who goes there a lot, am hoping for the FYL Expansion to kick off WDW's old ways.

 

[_Scar]

No, it stems from the loss of small entertainers, the loss of cohesive storylines, the plopping down of attractions where they don't belong, the transformation of the park into a purely character based experience(for the most part).

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Everything Aladdin is :lol: You can have a good character attraction and still be on the level of EE, BTMRR, Space, etc. For example, Star Tours, IJA, and Splash.

What are you talking about with "Quality not quantity"? You were just talking about WDW's 4 parks compared to DL's 1 and a 1/2.:veryconfu

Attraction-wise quality not quantity. DL doesn't have quality in DCA- or quantity. In the future they may have half/half... that's all I'll give em :lol:. The whole theme of the park just gets me mad- and it always will.

Oh yes same here. Although I have to say only EPCOT and DAK are examples of Disney showmanship but that is just my opinion.

Why not DHS?

 

[SirGoofy]

Everything Aladdin is :lol: You can have a good character attraction and still be on the level of EE, BTMRR, Space, etc. For example, Star Tours, IJA, and Splash.

I'm talking about cartoon characters. The whole park is becoming a cartoon. Something it shouldn't be if you want people to keep coming.

Attraction-wise quality not quantity. DL doesn't have quality in DCA- or quantity. In the future they may have half/half... that's all I'll give em :lol:. The whole theme of the park just gets me mad- and it always will.

Even though you've never been there and have no idea what you're talking about?

 

[_Scar]

I'm talking about cartoon characters. The whole park is becoming a cartoon. Something it shouldn't be if you want people to keep coming.

I'm a sucker for cartoon characters. As long as the experience is quality work- I don't really have a problem.

Even though you've never been there and have no idea what you're talking about?

I know exactly what I'm talking about. Since DCA is a mixpool of WDW attractions- I've already been on most of its roster already. :lol:

I think WESTCOT woulda been better. DCA is just a http://www.politicalpoop.com/republican_ting_on_democrat.gif that I wouldn't pay for next to a park I'd pay hundreds to see just for a day if I could.

 

[DisneyParksFan1]

?

Everything Aladdin is :lol: You can have a good character attraction and still be on the level of EE, BTMRR, Space, etc. For example, Star Tours, IJA, and Splash.



Attraction-wise quality not quantity. DL doesn't have quality in DCA- or quantity. In the future they may have half/half... that's all I'll give em :lol:. The whole theme of the park just gets me mad- and it always will.



Why not DHS?

Well, I don't know why but, I have always had this thing with DHS' theming. I mean, I don't like the Streets of America area you can see the things that hold up the facades. I hate that. I have always disliked that hat, but that will be gone soon. I think it's that since it's always viewed as the place where attractions are crammed into when they can't find a place to put them or something like that. I don't know it's difficult to explain. I don't think the theming is that great I mean from the entrance up to the hat is great. But I have always found it so disorganized. I like the lands not streets, I think they should extend Pixar Place to Animation area and they should get rid of the backlot. It's in my opinion the one that needs a DCA-like refurb more than the other 3 parks in the resort. Well, not as big as DCA's refurb but something along those lines.

EDIT: I also think this park was just a half-witted come back to Universal Studios.

 

[SirGoofy]

As long as the experience is quality work- I don't really have a problem.

Of course you don't. You're a Disney fan. But the more cartoons they fill that park with, the less non-Disney fans they'll win over.

I know exactly what I'm talking about.

No. You don't. You've never been there.

 

[DisneyParksFan1]

Of course you don't. You're a Disney fan. But the more cartoons they fill that park with, the less non-Disney fans they'll win over.




No. You don't. You've never been there.

Yeah that's true. And it sucks that in order to get attendance they have to be unoriginal but it's one of those things us Disney fans have to deal with. While they do come up with great original stories, they still have to market characters. Of course sometimes they do that too much. I mean why turn Tiki room into Under New Management? Why replace Alien Encounter into the evil alien from hell? They have great original stories which are still appealing to non-Disney fans though, Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, Space Mountain, Expedition: Everest, Haunted Mansion, etc.

 

[wdwfan94]

Didn't feel like quoting. Long post.

BTMRR - your right it is longer and maybe the only exception that beats DL.

Also faster

HM - First off it's not longer(i have no idea where you gathered that) and DL's HM has new effects. DL's HM area is immersive and not tucked in a funneled corner where you have a great view of the show building.

Actually we got all the same things DL got plus 2 new scenes and new paintings, so right now ours is better.

JC - at least DL's JC animals move.

And Mk's don't? Besides, we also have the temple


Innoventions - DL is even challenging other parks. :ROFLOL:

Don't know what this means.


Splash - DL's is longer and has more than double AA in it's show scenes.

Your right that they have more AA's and the TRACK is longer but we have a longer ride in time, ur AA's are better, ours tells the story better, we have brer frog, and our logs are a hell of lot more comfortable.

Pirates - DL's is longer and the show scenes are much stronger. Besides, you don't have the cool little restaurant that watches the boats.

Your are however absolutely right on this, and it really makes me angry that they never tried to go in and try to find some way to make it just as long.

 

[Little Green Men]

Didn't feel like quoting. Long post.

BTMRR - your right it is longer and maybe the only exception that beats DL.

HM - First off it's not longer(i have no idea where you gathered that) and DL's HM has new effects. DL's HM area is immersive and not tucked in a funneled corner where you have a great view of the show building. It deffinitly seems longer. It's much more imersive, I went in August so they may have updated since then but DL's really paled in comparison to WDW's. Madam Leota's head doesn't float, there's no attic scene, and things that are actually on WDW's ride are a part of the queue/ exit at DL. IMHO it deffinitly is a better experience because it builds up to it on the ride.

Space - Experience wise, DL wins hands down. MK's does has the better coaster, but I don't usually care on a Disney attraction. Also MK's SM is laced strongly throughout tomorrowland, but that is slowly going away.

JC - at least DL's JC animals move. Our JC was way better, again imo. The boats there were really cramped and I got a little sick from the way it moves. Ours has the temple which is a great experience. The scenes seem bigger, and the queue feels grander.

TTA - DL doesn't even have a counter part....


Innoventions - DL is even challenging other parks. :ROFLOL:I don't know if your saying Innoventions is better at DL but it has a much larger space and more exhibits at Epcot. The exhibits at Epcot are almost like little tours, at DL they were just small exhibits.


Ones you didn't mention.

Splash - DL's is longer and has more than double AA in it's show scenes. Ours is more comfortable with 2 seaters, and i didnt notice more AA's.

Small World - this is obvious. Ours still has more to look at.

Pirates - DL's is longer and the show scenes are much stronger. Besides, you don't have the cool little restaurant that watches the boats.

Indiana Jones - :lol:

Submarine - Oh wait that something MK doesn't have. Does this make up for it not having a TTA? The Seas with Nemo and Friends is just like this, only the experience is shorter which i think is better because it sort of drags on at DL.

Matterhorn - Baxter may have designed the original BTMRR, but the big man himself designed this one. Besides at least Harold works.

Also I think Winnie the Pooh may be better at MK. We also have rides that DL doesn't have (or no longer has) like HOP, CBJ, COP, Philarmagic.

 

[SirGoofy]

Also I think Winnie the Pooh may be better at MK. We also have rides that DL doesn't have (or no longer has) like HOP, CBJ, COP, Philarmagic.

Some of your points I can't agree with at all.

WDW's JC has a better queue? No way, no how. DL's JC has one of the best queues around with the boat house and other great rooms.

And DL's HM most definitely has an attic scene.

 

[_Scar]

Of course you don't. You're a Disney fan. But the more cartoons they fill that park with, the less non-Disney fans they'll win over.

Honestly, don't you think you're in the minority if you aren't a Disney fan? Whether it be a Lion King fan, NBC fan, Pixar fan, Muppet fan, Star Wars fan, Indy fan, and now even a Marvel fan.... Disney has a lot of major demographics wrapped.

 

[Little Green Men]

Some of your points I can't agree with at all.

WDW's JC has a better queue? No way, no how. DL's JC has one of the best queues around with the boat house and other great rooms.

And DL's HM most definitely has an attic scene.

Well i guess i need to pay better attention to the queue then. It just seemed much smaller to me and more closed off. I guess i forgot that they have the attic scene, my mistake, but I still think ours is better.