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News Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios
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Professortango1
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I don't work for WDI. I'm just saying that DL's design is more fitted for an action retheme than the other towers. And it would fit that park considering it's now mostly lands themed to movies.
GoofGoof
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They can likely start work on Door Coaster and a lot of the rest of Monster Land while also keeping Muppets open. Eventually Muppets will likely close first and then they would do RNRC unless they don’t plan to reuse anything from MV3D.
I assume they will use some of the props from the MV3D lobby area probably in the queue for RNRC. They could in theory add the old guy AAs to the wall in the load area or right before the launch. Hard to use them during the ride since it just moves too fast. Maybe at the exit but they don’t want people standing around at exit.
This could work. Maybe replace the screen showing Aerosmith on a loop right where the ride photos are.
The Leader of the Club
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And DHS is…
That being said, I think the most we’ll get for DHS is a similar retheme to DLP. Keep what works about Tower (the worldbuilding, backstory, and spooky vibes) while removing the non-Disney IP.
Charlie The Chatbox Ghost
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I honestly hope that whenever they get back to doing big productions, they consider hiring Whitmire back solely for Rizzo and other roles of his they retired. He's still close friends with the rest of the Muppet cast, he's expressed that he'd come back if they offered, even Brian Henson has spoken positively about him in recent years (which really makes me believe Disney paid off the Henson kids to help make their decision seem morally justified). The Kermit ship has sailed, and it'd be cruel to take the role back, but there is no Rizzo without Steve. And honestly, the Muppets without Rizzo feels weird- Muppets Haunted Mansion made his absence super noticeable. It's likely never going to happen, but I can dream haha.
Yes. Mix the main character being off model in voice and tone and writing typically off you ruined what is essentially as timeless as a property can get.
Professortango1
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If it's good, we can accept it. I remember liking Goof Troop and wondering how they could get Max's voice so wrong with A Goofy Movie. But then I saw the film, and I stopped caring because it's great.
Moth
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A good performance, especially one that fits the setting they're going for, can make a lot of complaints vanish into thin air. The issue with the current Kermit is that the voice just feels, bored? It lacks an Energy that Henson and Whitmire had. He feels too much like a Boss character and not much like a friend.
When I see a performance done by Whitmire and Henson, he feels like a friend, Kermit feels like an alive, dynamic character, when I see the performance done by Vogel it just feels flat, and it's disappointing because Vogel is a good performer, he's just not the choice they should have done for Kermit.
The Leader of the Club
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The thing is, Whitmire doesn’t sound like Henson. At all. BUT Whitmire was given enough projects that he was able to get a grasp on the character and audiences were given time to adjust. I still think he sounds off in Christmas Carol, but by Treasure Island he’s come into his own and it doesn’t bother me.
Vogel hasn’t had any opportunity to get a handle on Kermit. He’s barely in Muppets Now, not in Mayhem at all, has 3 scenes in Haunted Mansion, and other than that it’s just YouTube videos and D23 panels.
He needs the chance to really bring the character into his own, and the he just hasn’t gotten that. I don’t know if he ever will given how hard it is to get substantial Muppet projects green lit.
See the second part with the writing.
That is not how Disney handled The Muppets nor its Main Character.
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Charlie The Chatbox Ghost
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If there's one thing that's important to a character, it's the voice. It's why people always have a hard time when a legacy character gets a new VA- Mickey, Bugs Bunny, even recently with Mario and Luigi. The voice is what really makes a character.
Charlie The Chatbox Ghost
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In that case, you can at least chalk it up to the character being much older in the movie than the TV show, so the voice difference makes sense. I saw the movie before the show so the show was jarring to me!
Charlie The Chatbox Ghost
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Yeah, Whitmire never sounded like Henson, but his voice still FEELS like Kermit. He has the nuances and performance down, plus he was Kermit for nearly 30 years, which allows people to get used to the difference. Vogel is much closer voice-wise to Henson, at least in pitch (though he's a little deeper than Jim), but his Kermit still sounds off. He doesn't have the right "rubbery" quality to his voice, it's too clear.
Moth
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I don't envy where Vogel is right now in regards to Kermit.
I pray that the outcry in regards to MV3D gave Disney some sort of signal that there's a thirst for these characters to be shown more, that people love these characters. I want Vogel to get his break out role as Kermit, I want to see him succeed and thrive as Kermit. I wish I could take the RNRC retheme as a sign Disney wants to invest in the Muppets more, but I'm aware it's a placating move. It sucks, I'm 21 but I've grown up my whole life surrounded by Henson properties, from Bear in the Big Blue House, Sesame Street, Dinosaurs, Dark Crystal, and the Muppets, and it's just saddening to see the Muppets get treated like a circus trick by Disney versus a brand they want to nurture.
Maybe things have to die, but if we can see Toy Story 5 and ten trillion attempts being talked about for another Star Wars trilogy, we can get another Muppet project greenlit, and if anything sounds appealing to the cut throat executives running Disney currently, it's a film that sells itself as...
The Cheapest Muppet Movie Ever Made.
Horizons '83
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There might be a little bias from your end based on your avatar, but there was a very clear right and wrong choice on where to place this "land"/area.
lazyboy97o
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You realize the “wrong sounding Muppets” bit is about Whitmire, right?
Not to split too fine a hair, but Harryhausen's should technically be called "Ray's."
It's Disney. It should be Harry House Inn.
The Leader of the Club
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I don’t necessarily think this is accurate. I think Monsters was designed with Grand Avenue in mind. It makes sense to do that option and don’t blame them for it.
I DO BLAME THEM for doing Monsters before touching Animation Courtyard. They chose what phase one and phase two were. Monsters should have been phase two. People would have been much more forgiving if Animation Courtyard had already been replaced. The only (good) reason it makes sense to do this first is if you’re waiting on the rights for the IP you want to put into Animation Courtyard (Simpsons or Marvel). Just choosing this because it’s cheaper and can be done faster is short-sighted.