DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

[lentesta]

Would whatever they could theoretically put on Disney+ include any recordings or recreations of the in-theater effects?

No, but with a VR headset it might work.

 

[zipadee999]

What Star Tours is older than Tower.

Thanks, forgot about Star Tours.

However I still wouldn’t really lump it in as I don’t consider Adventures Continue to be the same attraction as the original Star Tours. I guess I’d still acknowledge it as a classic-era DHS attraction but the original experience is long gone. As for being the backbone of the park, I still wouldn’t consider it the E ticket that ToT is or the draw that Indy is

 

[Blobbles]

Yes to the HOP concept. I can’t talk about the other stuff right now. It would identify the teams involved.

I am so down for this muppets theme park rennisance. Unfortunate that it had to come at the cost of mippetvision but still I’m down for as many muppet stuff that WDI wants to do. Though I wonder how far along or likley any of this is.

 

[disneylandtour]

Cinderella's Castle to be knocked down for a new in-park DVC tower?

Naw, you're totally missing it--Come stay in the ultra-secrect DVC Utiladors, buy direct at just $235 per point.

 

[disneylandtour]

For all that is good and holy, make sure you do NOT Google "MILF Theater" on your work computer...

I think you should google "MILF" and "That guy" and see what comes up.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I think you should google "MILF" and "That guy" and see what comes up.

Thanks for getting me fired.

 

[disneylandtour]

My understanding is it's a much more short-term thing. Think about what they could throw into a park with just a few months of planning, that doesn't involve major construction or WDI.

A Dr. Strange Churro cart?

 

[SpectreJordan]

While like I said - I don't believe The Muppets belong in WDW - they belong at Sesame Place.
I do clearly see how their "everything falls apart and goes nuts" finale style will really work with the coaster.
However...
I do wonder what portion of Sesame Street age little ones are going to board that ride and be shocked (along with their parents) as they are rocketed in a high G launch, into a loop, and through a barrel roll?
Because no matter how well Disney attempts to make the severity of the ride clear, there are going to be a sizable portion of riders who think this is Slinky Dog Dash II.

The Muppets aren't the same target audience as the Sesame Street gang. Most of their shows & movies are for all ages but they definitely have more of an edge to them than the Sesame Street characters.

 

[MisterPenguin]

No, Disney is not only now worried about EU.

TWDC will run just fine even if one of their park location's revenue dips a bit.

While EU was in the works, TWDC made getting streaming going their number one priority.

That means, it was more important than the parks, even WDW. And more important than theatrical releases.

While TWDC was pouring billions into streaming, they purchased Fox.

There was no money left to go to war with EU. Which was fine for them. They were looking at the health of the whole company, not just the Orlando park.

Now that the fallout of purchasing Fox is done and streaming it turning a profit, TWDC can invest billions into the parks. Which they announced they would do. Even so far as guaranteeing big chunks of that $60 with local government. It's not vapor capex. (Altho, cost overruns can reduce the scope of what they planned, even tho they're still spending $60B).

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

I've always said that Big Hero Six should have taken over RnRC and the Guardians Tower should have been Florida's, as the design of that tower allows for a more adventure-themed storyline. I'd be down with a Doctor Strange retheme as well.

Just leave our Tower alone, thank you very much!

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

Doesn't make them right

It doesn't make anyone who wants the opposite right though either. There is no one side that's wrong or right. This is not the black and white clear cut thing that people here like to make it out to be.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

How long was Chapek actually CEO? Iger came back a few months after he left the first time, then left at the end of 2021 before returning and replacing Chapek.

I don't think that question really gets us to the answer of why Chapek's tenure was so awful. It's not the changes (as we know, many of them came from Iger), it's the damage Chapek did on an individual basis removed from those changes. He was an exceptionally bad mouthpiece for the company and said a lot of things that really skewered the public's perception of Disney. Iger's decisions have hurt that perception too, but it's crucial to note that Iger is generally a far more digestible voice for the company (most of the time that is, he's had some major Chapek like slip ups in his second run).

Chapek wasn't around long, but he was around just long enough to say some very stupid things very publicly that initiated a very rapid shift in the tide for how the public spoke about the company at a very precarious time. That is ultimately why I think Chapek deserves a big hunk of the blame for certain issues we have now. Iger does too, but purely looking at unpopular changes is only half the story. Iger's made a lot of unpopular changes, but aside from his comments about the strikes, I would say his communication as the CEO has never hurt the company as much as Chapek's did.

 

[Casper Gutman]

It doesn't make anyone who wants the opposite right though either. There is no one side that's wrong or right. This is not the black and white clear cut thing that people here like to make it out to be.

I dunno, how do we generally feel about people who destroy or fundamentally alter works of art for mercenary reasons?

So the question becomes - are theme parks art? We've gone through this with film, TV, comics, video games - and I suspect the answer for theme parks will be the same as it was for those.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

I dunno, how do we generally feel about people who destroy or fundamentally alter works of art for mercenary reasons?

So the question becomes - are theme parks art? We've gone through this with film, TV, comics, video games - and I suspect the answer for theme parks will be the same as it was for those.

I don't personally feel that this is the same thing as film, TV, comics, or video games because by nature, theme park rides are not permanent. Long lasting, sure, but not permanent. They're not going to last forever in the same way that a film can live on, or a TV show can live on, or an album can live on. I absolutely believe they're art, but I also cannot pretend they don't have an expiration date.

What is unique about this medium is that when one piece of art reaches the end of it's lifespan, it can be replaced by a new piece of art. The debate that gets waged here is whether or not that new art is of the same caliber as the old art, and that is where I say there is no right or wrong answer to that question. Someone isn't wrong for liking a new ride just as someone isn't wrong for preferring what was there before.

We can argue all day about it, but that's just the simple fact of it all. No one side is objectively correct because there is no such thing as objectivity when it comes to what people enjoy. It is purely subjective in every possible way. There is nothing on this planet that everyone universally derives joy from.

MuppetVision's film is being preserved. That is the piece of this particular artwork that has no expiration and will live on well beyond the building it was shown in. The attraction itself though from the moment it opened had the same ticking clock that every theme park ride does because they simply cannot and will not last forever. I know you will disagree with me on that.

But I truly look at theme park rides like a theater production. From the moment that production opens, it's a ticking clock to when it closes. Yes, someone somewhere else can stage another version of that show, but it's not the same. It's a different version. That one show will only last as long as its run, and when that run ends, that particular show is gone for good. What other version comes after may not be as good as the one that came before it. What entirely new show moves into the theater once that show finishes its run may be better than the show that was there before. That's just how it goes. These things just don't last forever.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I don't personally feel that this is the same thing as film, TV, comics, or video games because by nature, theme park rides are not permanent. Long lasting, sure, but not permanent. They're not going to last forever in the same way that a film can live on, or a TV show can live on, or an album can live on. I absolutely believe they're art, but I also cannot pretend they don't have an expiration date.

What is unique about this medium is that when one piece of art reaches the end of it's lifespan, it can be replaced by a new piece of art. The debate that gets waged here is whether or not that new art is of the same caliber as the old art, and that is where I say there is no right or wrong answer to that question. Someone isn't wrong for liking a new ride just as someone isn't wrong for preferring what was there before.

We can argue all day about it, but that's just the simple fact of it all. No one side is objectively correct because there is no such thing as objectivity when it comes to what people enjoy. It is purely subjective in every possible way. There is nothing on this planet that everyone universally derives joy from.

MuppetVision's film is being preserved. That is the piece of this particular artwork that has no expiration and will live on well beyond the building it was shown in. The attraction itself though from the moment it opened had the same ticking clock that every theme park ride does because they simply cannot and will not last forever. I know you will disagree with me on that.

But I truly look at theme park rides like a theater production. From the moment that production opens, it's a ticking clock to when it closes. Yes, someone somewhere else can stage another version of that show, but it's not the same. It's a different version. That one show will only last as long as its run, and when that run ends, that particular show is gone for good. What other version comes after may not be as good as the one that came before it. What entirely new show moves into the theater once that show finishes its run may be better than the show that was there before. That's just how it goes. These things just don't last forever.

But several of the mediums I listed used to be marked by the exact same impermanence. Film degraded over time and TV and comics were deemed inherently disposable. Many early episodes of Dr Who and other BBC programs are lost forever because the company erased them to reuse the film and save money - a fairly apt comparison to ride replacement. Theater productions are inherently impermanent because people age, but just like films and paintings theme park attractions, if preserved and maintained, have far greater longevity.

And yes, everyone’s option of a work of art is valid FOR THAT PERSON, but we don’t judge each opinion to necessarily be an equally meaningful judgement of the piece of art. We would be very skeptical of someone who judged Fast and Furious: Tokyo Drift a better film then Citizen Kane - we would not take that as a significant appraisal of the quality of the two films. I personally enjoy Rocketeer much more than Rules of the Game, but I’m not going to offer that as a serious critique of the two films. Expertise in the history of an art form, its aesthetic development, its broader cultural meaning - those DO matter in artistic analysis.

 

[Incomudro]

The Muppets aren't the same target audience as the Sesame Street gang. Most of their shows & movies are for all ages but they definitely have more of an edge to them than the Sesame Street characters.

Yes, I know and understand that.
But still...

 

[Trauma]

So any chance they don’t Re-theme RnRC to muppets until after the new Monsters land is built?

Having coaster and muppets down for extended periods at the same time is a capacity hit that the park really can’t handle.

 

[WowFactor]

IMO they should overlay RnR first. It seems faster than a whole new mini land.

 

[James Alucobond]

I would assume they can do the vast majority of what needs to be done for Monsters without shuttering MuppetVision. IMO, start both at once, but don't expand out into the MuppetVision theater area until the completion time necessary for the courtyard proper more or less aligns with the time remaining on construction of the coaster.

 

[Nevermore525]

RnRC retheme could probably only take a couple of months to at most a year. The ride part itself isn’t that highly themed and shouldn’t take long to tweak. It’s just the pre-show video and other theming in the show space to Muppet-ize things a bit. Hopefully they’ve already filmed a lot of those things or are in process with whatever artists they intend to collaborate with.

That and MV3D can stay open as long as possible even after they break ground on the Monster’s coaster. The exit could become a bottleneck as they wall off Stage 1 and the restaurants, but the could keep it up for a decent length of time. If they wanted to that is.