DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

Agent H

Active Member
This is a really wild take considering I don't think there's been a single D23 Expo in the last decade that hasn't had at least one project cancelled entirely or heavily budget cut. The majority of the projects planned for EPCOT were cancelled completely with the ones that did get built being budget cut. That's been just in the last five years. Villains is definitely the thing least likely to happen from this last batch of announcements
I agree that villains is the least likely to happen but why does what was cancelled in the past matter now at this juncture what concrete reason can you offer why it won’t happen all the other cancelled projects had reasons why they didn’t happen what’s it for this one?
 

EagleScout610

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For me, the door warehouse chase was “The Scene” of the movie for me, so basing the new ride on it works for me. Especially since there are two dark rides for Monsters Inc already.
Not lying I wore out the VHS of Monsters as a kid just watching and rewatching the door chase sequence. The fact they didn't jump on this chance when the movie came out still confuses me
 

Casper Gutman

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I agree that villains is the least likely to happen but why does what was cancelled in the past matter now at this juncture what concrete reason can you offer why it won’t happen all the other cancelled projects had reasons why they didn’t happen what’s it for this one?
Because material and labor costs are going to skyrocket and an entirely new management team desperate to impress Wall Street is about to take over Disney.
 

DreamfinderGuy

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I think outside of the Epcot set of announcements (which includes Main Street Theater) you don't have many examples of things outright cut.
Main Street Theatre was announced and canceled years before anything for the EPCOT overhaul was greenlit. You might be confused with it being part of the same presentation that announced Guardians for EPCOT, which was a wholly separate project from the wider park overhaul that was started a few years later.
And we all know that Covid was a factor with Epcot... and most people grant a massive economic event like that may lead to cancellations. But you can't make your predictions based on that, because otherwise that would always be the case.
Covid was a factor sure, but I never believed we would see that festival building even before covid. If something looks too good to be true I think it's a good rule of thumb at this point to believe it is. Maybe this cycle of announcements will prove that wrong, but there's a lot of precedent to back up the skeptics.
I agree that villains is the least likely to happen but why does what was cancelled in the past matter now at this juncture what concrete reason can you offer why it won’t happen all the other cancelled projects had reasons why they didn’t happen what’s it for this one?
The EPCOT projects really weren't that long ago, and they weren't what established the precedent of Disney canceling projects. It becomes kind of a boy who cried wolf type of situation, if the company keeps telling you they're gonna do something and then they don't do it, it's natural to expect them to not do the next thing they tell you they're gonna do. Maybe this announcement cycle will break that precedent, but as of now there's little reason to have faith in the projects they've already shared little about.
 

JackCH

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Main Street Theatre was announced and canceled years before anything for the EPCOT overhaul was greenlit. You might be confused with it being part of the same presentation that announced Guardians for EPCOT, which was a wholly separate project from the wider park overhaul that was started a few years later.

Covid was a factor sure, but I never believed we would see that festival building even before covid. If something looks too good to be true I think it's a good rule of thumb at this point to believe it is. Maybe this cycle of announcements will prove that wrong, but there's a lot of precedent to back up the skeptics.

Ah, my mistake. I still don't see any example of something on the scale of Villains Land being cancelled outside of Epcot, and even that was just massive cuts.

Because material and labor costs are going to skyrocket and an entirely new management team desperate to impress Wall Street is about to take over Disney.
If this happens, then maybe. But I'm not entirely sure where you are getting these economic predictions. Some of my peers in construction believe it will either decrease or the rate of increase will slow. We shall see.
 
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Agent H

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Main Street Theatre was announced and canceled years before anything for the EPCOT overhaul was greenlit. You might be confused with it being part of the same presentation that announced Guardians for EPCOT, which was a wholly separate project from the wider park overhaul that was started a few years later.

Covid was a factor sure, but I never believed we would see that festival building even before covid. If something looks too good to be true I think it's a good rule of thumb at this point to believe it is. Maybe this cycle of announcements will prove that wrong, but there's a lot of precedent to back up the skeptics.

The EPCOT projects really weren't that long ago, and they weren't what established the precedent of Disney canceling projects. It becomes kind of a boy who cried wolf type of situation, if the company keeps telling you they're gonna do something and then they don't do it, it's natural to expect them to not do the next thing they tell you they're gonna do. Maybe this announcement cycle will break that precedent, but as of now there's little reason to have faith in the projects they've already shared little about.
I didn’t say anything about Epcot maybe you are confusing me with @JackCH
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Why do you think the new management team Will be so desperate to impress?
Of course they will be eager to impress Wall Street. A large portion of compensation for executive management at almost any Fortune 500 company is directly tied to the stock price not to mention their personal job security.

The better question is why would anyone assume Wall Street will be impressed with cancelled projects. The news of investing billions over a decade in the parks segment was generally very favorably received by Wall Street.
 

Agent H

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Of course they will be eager to impress Wall Street. A large portion of compensation for executive management at almost any Fortune 500 company is directly tied to the stock price not to mention their personal job security.

The better question is why would anyone assume Wall Street will be impressed with cancelled projects. The news of investing billions over a decade in the parks segment was generally very favorably received by Wall Street.
So sorry I don’t know anything about business except for more money good less money bad
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
So sorry I don’t know anything about business except for more money good less money bad
A good rule of thumb, but there’s also the saying it takes money to make money. DIS stock is up more than 35% since the announcement about increased spending on the parks, $60B over a decade. Many other factors influence that price too, but at the time the street took the news pretty well with overwhelming positive reaction. I don’t think new management will need to start canceling this whole plan to impress anyone. What can (and maybe likely will) happen is if costs really do rise faster than expected they will cut back on elements of some projects vs canceling them outright. So maybe a Villians land happens but is scaled back. AK and probably Monsters are more safe since they are starting already. The MK projects, especially Villians, are a larger risk.
 

Casper Gutman

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Ah, my mistake. I still don't see any example of something on the scale of Villains Land being cancelled outside of Epcot, and even that was just massive cuts.


If this happens, then maybe. But I'm not entirely sure where you are getting these economic predictions. Some of my piers in construction believe it will either decrease or the rate of increase will slow. We shall see.
We know how tariffs and labor shortages impact the economy. We know how they have ALWAYS impacted the economy. Your peers can believe tariffs will bring down costs. They can also believe that porcupines are psychic.
 

Agent H

Active Member
A good rule of thumb, but there’s also the saying it takes money to make money. DIS stock is up more than 35% since the announcement about increased spending on the parks, $60B over a decade. Many other factors influence that price too, but at the time the street took the news pretty well with overwhelming positive reaction. I don’t think new management will need to start canceling this whole plan to impress anyone. What can (and maybe likely will) happen is if costs really do rise faster than expected they will cut back on elements of some projects vs canceling them outright. So maybe a Villians land happens but is scaled back. AK and probably Monsters are more safe since they are starting already. The MK projects, especially Villians, are a larger risk.
Thanks for the business lesson
 

Jrb1979

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Of course they will be eager to impress Wall Street. A large portion of compensation for executive management at almost any Fortune 500 company is directly tied to the stock price not to mention their personal job security.

The better question is why would anyone assume Wall Street will be impressed with cancelled projects. The news of investing billions over a decade in the parks segment was generally very favorably received by Wall Street.
It was not well received at all.
This is a quote from that article. "Walt Disney's shares fell after the company said it plans to spend $60 billion to expand its theme parks, cruise lines and similar ventures over the next decade.

The stock closed down 3.6% at $81.94 and was one of the worst performers in the blue-chip.


https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/st...es-theme-park-investment-GutR1j9jZNlrRWpMHQtL
 

Agent H

Active Member
It was not well received at all.
This is a quote from that article. "Walt Disney's shares fell after the company said it plans to spend $60 billion to expand its theme parks, cruise lines and similar ventures over the next decade.

The stock closed down 3.6% at $81.94 and was one of the worst performers in the blue-chip.


https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/st...es-theme-park-investment-GutR1j9jZNlrRWpMHQtL
sometimes I think Disney being a publicly traded company is a bad thing no offense but I hope you all are wrong
 

Casper Gutman

Well-Known Member
It was not well received at all.
This is a quote from that article. "Walt Disney's shares fell after the company said it plans to spend $60 billion to expand its theme parks, cruise lines and similar ventures over the next decade.

The stock closed down 3.6% at $81.94 and was one of the worst performers in the blue-chip.


https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/st...es-theme-park-investment-GutR1j9jZNlrRWpMHQtL
Wall Street hates theme parks for several reasons, not least because they require huge, regular capital expenditures without clear ROI. One of the quickest ways for new management to ingratiate themselves with the Street will be to slash such expenditures along with making more cuts to spending.
 

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