DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

GoofGoof

Premium Member
They’re not two mutually exclusive issues. The two are tied together. Look at the way they will contort things to keep some venues open during work. They are okay with the negative guest experience impacts and operating cost savings of the longer project timelines which is part of why it is happening.
I think part of the issue is hard core Muppets fans feel the area is more popular than it probably is….me included. They are showing no interest in contorting anything to keep Muppets around longer. I agree that’s most likely purely a financial decision.
 

mattpeto

Well-Known Member
Which is it? You agree they’ve dragged out the schedule but also keep saying they’re trying to keep to a quick schedule. It can’t be both.

You and others keep claiming they are shutting down MV3D because it’s saving them money from running it. If the land sits there with no development, you might have a point. Things are moving and in March.

In terms of spreading out their development spends over all the projects they have running simultaneously, I agree with that.

Dragging their feet is not what I agreed to. Those are your words now.
 

LSLS

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You and others keep claiming they are shutting down MV3D because it’s saving them money from running it. If the land sits there with no development, you might have a point. Things are moving and in March.

In terms of spreading out their development spends over all the projects they have running simultaneously, I agree with that.

Dragging their feet is not what I agreed to. Those are your words now.
Same if they build that area out first then let it sit while building the coaster.
 

Casper Gutman

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We have no indication they’ve even finalized plans for a Muppets replacement, let alone are ready to start construction. There PR is not indicating the project is ready to begin installation. We have very reliable insiders, and they have said nothing about the project. Unless I misremember, this project was not even mentioned at D23.

I also wonder how long some folks have been following WDW. Shuttering attractions (and stores and restaurants) to save operating costs is standard practice for the resort and has been for years. Uni does it as well, of course. This isn’t an unprecedented situation.
 

britain

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I am not skeptical Villians will happen. Any project which hasn’t started construction and is slated to open as much as 5 years out is always subject to macro economic challenges or individual TWDC financial issues. That being said if you assume no major economic issues I believe the land will happen. Where I’m a little skeptical is what the land will be. I feel like Villians could and should be a “dark fantasyland” with so many good stories to tell. I fear the coaster depicted in the concept art will be the main E ticket. While that may be a fun ride, a coaster doesn’t easily tell good stories. I’d prefer multiple dark ride type attractions and a more fleshed out land but it’s hard to assume anything from really basic concept art.

As far as Monsters and Rockin Muppet Coaster I see no reason these things won’t happen. Monsters is under way already. I am not in the camp that assumes the theater show won’t happen. I think it will. I have no idea whether it will be any good, but it’s very likely happening. Aerosmith was getting removed from RNRC either way. The Muppets need a place in the parks. Pretty simple and easy way to kill 2 birds with 1 stone. The Muppet story telling would have to be in the queue, pre-show and any post ride areas (small gift shop). The ride itself is very fast and over very quickly so not much chance to tell a story. RNRC is a fun ride now that doesn’t have a complex plot or take itself too seriously so it’s a good fit for the Muppets who can add some humor to it as well.

I personally hope the Villains coaster has about as much storytelling as Big Thunder. We see this villain's vignette, then that one's, etc. There is too much "explicit narrative" in attractions lately. In my childhood I used to pretend that Space Mountain was a Star Wars ride and it was cool. Now it's great that there are lot of literal Star Wars rides now, but my imagination doesn't have to flex anymore.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Same if they build that area out first then let it sit while building the coaster.
Unless the front half opens before the coaster. See FLE where mine train opened last or even SWGE where rise opened later. It’s possible they reopen the front half rethemed to Monsters before Door Coaster opens.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
We have no indication they’ve even finalized plans for a Muppets replacement, let alone are ready to start construction. There PR is not indicating the project is ready to begin installation. We have very reliable insiders, and they have said nothing about the project. Unless I misremember, this project was not even mentioned at D23.

I also wonder how long some folks have been following WDW. Shuttering attractions (and stores and restaurants) to save operating costs is standard practice for the resort and has been for years. Uni does it as well, of course. This isn’t an unprecedented situation.
There is a clear history of Disney closing stuff just to save costs. There’s also a clear history of new projects being announced and actually being built. Both exist in history. So while it’s possible everything they announced gets canceled and very little gets built it’s also possible they do build all the new stuff. Reality will probably fall in the middle. When backlot tour and streets of America closed they announced Toy Story and Star Wars replacing that and it happened. When Great Movie Ride closed and they announced a Mickey replacement it actually happened. It’s not like every time they announce new projects they always get cancelled.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I personally hope the Villains coaster has about as much storytelling as Big Thunder. We see this villain's vignette, then that one's, etc. There is too much "explicit narrative" in attractions lately. In my childhood I used to pretend that Space Mountain was a Star Wars ride and it was cool. Now it's great that there are lot of literal Star Wars rides now, but my imagination doesn't have to flex anymore.
I am not opposed to to a coaster in general. For example, I actually think the door coaster is a great concept for Monsters. I just wish Villians would have more of a fantasyland feel to it. A coaster could exist like Mine Train now in FL but not be the main attraction for the whole land. If you consider FL has Small World, Pan, Pooh and LM plus Philharmagic as well I’d love to see the Villians land feature multiple dark rides plus maybe some flat rides like Dumbo, a few shows or walkthroughs and some unique dining and shops in addition to the coaster. I fear we end up with an E ticket coaster plus a C ticket ride and some filler similar to Pandora. Villians deserves more. Monsters is perfectly fine having 1 main ride plus a show and dining/shops since it’s a mini-land. Villians should be more substantial IMHO.
 

Casper Gutman

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There is a clear history of Disney closing stuff just to save costs. There’s also a clear history of new projects being announced and actually being built. Both exist in history. So while it’s possible everything they announced gets canceled and very little gets built it’s also possible they do build all the new stuff. Reality will probably fall in the middle. When backlot tour and streets of America closed they announced Toy Story and Star Wars replacing that and it happened. When Great Movie Ride closed and they announced a Mickey replacement it actually happened. It’s not like every time they announce new projects they always get cancelled.
My post was about closing Muppets years early to save on spending. It had nothing to do with a replacement not opening at some distant point in the future.
 

eddie104

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I personally hope the Villains coaster has about as much storytelling as Big Thunder. We see this villain's vignette, then that one's, etc. There is too much "explicit narrative" in attractions lately. In my childhood I used to pretend that Space Mountain was a Star Wars ride and it was cool. Now it's great that there are lot of literal Star Wars rides now, but my imagination doesn't have to flex anymore.
Has a coaster been confirmed for this land ??

From what I remember that concept art was very blue sky and not indicative of any final design.
There is a clear history of Disney closing stuff just to save costs. There’s also a clear history of new projects being announced and actually being built. Both exist in history. So while it’s possible everything they announced gets canceled and very little gets built it’s also possible they do build all the new stuff. Reality will probably fall in the middle. When backlot tour and streets of America closed they announced Toy Story and Star Wars replacing that and it happened. When Great Movie Ride closed and they announced a Mickey replacement it actually happened. It’s not like every time they announce new projects they always get cancelled.
Why argue with a troll ?
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Has a coaster been confirmed for this land ??

From what I remember that concept art was very blue sky and not indicative of any final design.
I hope not. I like Disney coasters in general. I love Hagrids which I imagine is more likely the style they would build (launches vs large lift hills) but I’d prefer Villians to be slower moving dark rides. Just my opinion.

Why argue with a troll ?
I don’t think he’s a troll. We don’t agree on everything (maybe a lot of things) but he has a right to an opinion and backs it with reasons. We aren’t arguing, just discussing possibilities. I don’t believe he will turn out to be right, but I acknowledge he could and will be the first to admit it if what he says happens. I’ve been wrong many times before. Wouldn’t be the first.
 

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
I hope not. I like Disney coasters in general. I love Hagrids which I imagine is more likely the style they would build (launches vs large lift hills) but I’d prefer Villians to be slower moving dark rides. Just my opinion.


I don’t think he’s a troll. We don’t agree on everything (maybe a lot of things) but he has a right to an opinion and backs it with reasons. We aren’t arguing, just discussing possibilities. I don’t believe he will turn out to be right, but I acknowledge he could and will be the first to admit it if what he says happens. I’ve been wrong many times before. Wouldn’t be the first.
I hope the main Villian attraction is a B&M invert like Nemesis at Alton Towers. I feel Villains land should be the opposite of Fantasyland. You have Fantasyland for the kids and families. Make Villians land dark, scary with attractions that fit that theme.
 

JackCH

Well-Known Member
I hope not. I like Disney coasters in general. I love Hagrids which I imagine is more likely the style they would build (launches vs large lift hills) but I’d prefer Villians to be slower moving dark rides. Just my opinion.


I don’t think he’s a troll. We don’t agree on everything (maybe a lot of things) but he has a right to an opinion and backs it with reasons. We aren’t arguing, just discussing possibilities. I don’t believe he will turn out to be right, but I acknowledge he could and will be the first to admit it if what he says happens. I’ve been wrong many times before. Wouldn’t be the first.
There are definitely trolls on this cite. I don't think @Casper Gutman is one. He sometimes states his opinion more harshly than I would like, but he definitely is well thought-out in his opinions and isn't just trying to antagonize.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Unless the front half opens before the coaster. See FLE where mine train opened last or even SWGE where rise opened later. It’s possible they reopen the front half rethemed to Monsters before Door Coaster opens.
Neither of those was planned from the beginning. There were also regrets about not holding all of Galaxy’s Edge until Rise of the Resistance was ready.

They’ve announced projects going out years but the show that’s supposedly being accelerated through development is the one they’re being completely quiet about?
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Neither of those was planned from the beginning. There were also regrets about not holding all of Galaxy’s Edge until Rise of the Resistance was ready.

They’ve announced projects going out years but the show that’s supposedly being accelerated through development is the one they’re being completely quiet about?
Planned or not it still happened. Regrets or not it still happened.

Disney has announced the plan to replace MV3D with a brand new theater show. People here seem to want to ignore that and assume that nothing will replace MV3D but it was announced, Disney has not been completely quiet about the Monsters theater show. Disney has now also announced a closing date for MV3D in June 2025 with the entire Muppets area behind construction walls at that time. That’s what we know for sure, the rest is speculation. Disney has not announced a plan to open Monsters in phases with the rest of the land open before Door Coaster - just a possibility. They also have not announced a plan to close Muppets now to save on operating costs with a plan to just let the area sit vacant for years. Both possibilities are pure speculation.

I think we can all agree that at Disney’s historic pace of construction that if the plan is to open Monsters in phases, even the front half without the Door Coaster would take at least a year to build out so nothing before Summer 2026. There’s still plenty of time to release more details about the show in the next 18 months. Nobody should expect the Monsters show to be open by the holidays.
 

Mr. Sullivan

Well-Known Member
Neither of those was planned from the beginning. There were also regrets about not holding all of Galaxy’s Edge until Rise of the Resistance was ready.

They’ve announced projects going out years but the show that’s supposedly being accelerated through development is the one they’re being completely quiet about?
Is it not possible they simply didn’t want to drop the news of Muppets closing date and the details of the show at the same time?
 

DreamfinderGuy

Well-Known Member
I usually roll my eyes when I hear “oh this isn’t going to happen because 2 decades ago a bunch of projects got cancelled
This is a really wild take considering I don't think there's been a single D23 Expo in the last decade that hasn't had at least one project cancelled entirely or heavily budget cut. The majority of the projects planned for EPCOT were cancelled completely with the ones that did get built being budget cut. That's been just in the last five years. Villains is definitely the thing least likely to happen from this last batch of announcements
 

JackCH

Well-Known Member
This is a really wild take considering I don't think there's been a single D23 Expo in the last decade that hasn't had at least one project cancelled entirely or heavily budget cut. The majority of the projects planned for EPCOT were cancelled completely with the ones that did get built being budget cut. That's been just in the last five years. Villains is definitely the thing least likely to happen from this last batch of announcements
I think outside of the Epcot set of announcements (which includes Main Street Theater) you don't have many examples of things outright cut. Certainly nothing as major as Villains Land. And we all know that Covid was a factor with Epcot... and most people grant a massive economic event like that may lead to cancellations. But you can't make your predictions based on that, because otherwise that would always be the case.

Budget cuts/value engineering, sure. But cancellation is what people are predicting/worried about here.
 

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