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ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I will note, it's not just guests like most of us replying here that have noticed the change...people from the inside have noticed as well. This is a good place to bring up Tony Baxter's resignation letter. If you haven't read it...here it is.

AN OPEN LETTER TO FELLOW IMAGINEERS

Decades ago, Imagineering had the bold notion to start the 21st century 18 years early by unveiling the "future" at Epcot in 1982. This positive look at tomorrow had a numbing effect on the bleak vistas depicted in George Orwell's dystopian novel, 1984. As a kid beginning my career at Disneyland in the mid 1960s, both of these "futures" were far off from a universe where Disneyland was the only Disney park, Mr. Lincoln was a state of the art attraction, and everything operated under Walt Disney's guidance.

Today, while there is a new set of "futures" to explore, the time has come for me to evolve my role at Walt Disney Imagineering. Beginning this February, I will be transitioning to a position as a part time advisor. While I will not be here on a regular basis, I will continue to be available to any and all of you as needs arise. Though my time will be limited, my passion for the magic WDI creates will be just as strong.

Since early last year, I have been thinking about what I would say to all of you when this time arrived. It has been a wondrous 47 years spanning the opening of Walt Disney World to Big Thunder and Star Tours … from Epcot's original Journey into Imagination to Disneyland Paris and Indiana Jones. The Imagineers I have known and shared these times with have provided invaluable experiences not to be found anywhere else on earth.

As one of the lucky second-generation Imagineers, I had the unique opportunity to experience firsthand the core philosophies of our company. I was fortunate enough to work with Claude Coats, Marc Davis, John Hench and the many others who built this industry alongside Walt Disney. I was able to soak up their wisdom and partner with them on creative projects. I have passed forward many of their key philosophies, and as our culture and scope have evolved, I have tried to balance my support of these foundations, with the business of charting "what's next." Now the 21st century brings a new reality … for the first time, the younger generation is master of the key technologies driving the future. While upcoming generations deal with tech tools that are evolving almost daily, many of Disney's keystone philosophies remain stable and relevant. These philosophies help define our creative edge to a world that is eager for aspirational content. With no particular order, here are five that continue to inspire me, and I think you may find useful in shaping "creative futures" for the years to come.

Creating Lasting Experiences - Legendary Imagineer Marc Davis once said, "We don't really have a story with a beginning, an end or a plot … It's more a series of experiences … building up to a climax." Guests still want to be astonished, and our best attractions deliver that wow factor with visions and emotions. I always start with the notion that it is the 20th repeat ride, not the first that is the most important. Park experiences are by nature less able to focus on linear stories and tangible feelings than motion pictures. Unlike a movie, what separates an OK attraction from a great one is that people find themselves "in" the great ones. They have been taken to a place they couldn't have imagined without Disney. How intriguingly we craft the level of guest engagement has direct bearing on desire for an umpteenth ride down the same track.

In Fantasyland, a simple line of dialogue heralds the beginning of one of the most aspirational ride experiences ever created; "Come on everybody … here we go!" After riding Peter Pan, futurist Ray Bradbury was moved to write; "Walt, I'll be eternally grateful that you made it possible for me to sail from a child's window, out over moonlit London in a galleon on its way to the stars!" Despite the fact that by today's standards Peter Pan's technology is dated, its mystique has remained unwavering. The WDI challenge is finding ways to ensure today's more sophisticated experiences have similar intangible qualities that provide groundwork for lasting appeal.

Sincerity - One of Walt Disney's ways of overcoming what sophisticates tended to see as corny or sentimental was his absolute belief in sincerity. Defending Disney's signature animation style in the movie Cinderella, Walt expressed what is to me a true hallmark of the Disney difference: "You have to believe in the honesty of Cinderella's world, or you will not believe in the magic as it unfolds around her either." The power of sincerity to win over an audience is "front and center" in the new Cars Land. Here, a truly believable environment fuses with the fantastic to give rise to new reality.

Valuable Mental Real Estate - Awhile back there was talk about the elusive "Disney Difference." What the "difference" is may be open to various interpretations, but I see it centered on cultivating "Valuable Mental Real Estate." Since the early days at the studio, Disney has excelled in focusing diverse talents on plussing core ideas. Enhanced value stems from something as simple as the emotional appeal of Epcot's Figment character in comparison to hundreds of other generic dragons. When the whole team undertakes a mission to make "our dragon" stand out in every way, mental real estate values go up.

At Imagineering, where we must deal with equal parts of controlled insanity and disciplined evaluation, this can be complicated. Years ago, who else could have come up with the crazy idea for Flying Saucers and then make the concept work! (Sort of). Piloting flying saucers is every kid's dream, and in spite of the ride's technical shortcomings, people will forever recall the Flying Saucers as an E ticket. This rides aspirational, "bucket list", once-in-a-lifetime intrigue, more than made up for any less than stellar performance.

Disney Hallmark Values - Current culture and the structure of our company are vastly different from the time when I began my career. Yet within that dynamic, hallmark values continue to add major appeal to today's more socially sensitive content. Disney's feature Beauty and the Beast shared many hallmarks with its ancestor Snow White, but it spoke to a vastly different audience with a finer tuned voice. Likewise, the more recent Tangled fuses traditional Disney values with relevancy aimed at a new generation.

Beyond the WDI walls, Pixar and Marvel achieve a consistency of success in their fast paced arenas. Each Pixar team is confident enough in their individual productions to freely reach out and tap into links that insure Pixar's hallmark differentiators are a part of every project. Marvel has taken a different route, tasking individual creative teams to bridge their storylines under an overarching and epic saga. Regardless of the diversity of deliverables, hallmark values are key to all Disney entities, and everyone needs to be alert to where they reside, and how and why to fuse them to the DNA of a project.

Mentoring - At both ends of a career one of the most important working relationships is achieved through mentoring. When you are in your 20s and 30s it critical to find a mentor you can admire and trust. What proved most valuable for me was a mentoring partnership that skipped a full generation. A wide age gap creates a cross-generational opportunity for two-way learning. A young mentee sees a mentor's still bright light as support for his or her own growing visibility, and the gap vanquishes the sense of competition. In a complementary way, a mentor's satisfaction is fueled by the growing knowledge and skills transferred to their younger partner. My mentor was Imagineering legend Claude Coats, nearly four decades my senior. For Pixar director Pete Docter, his mentors were animation giants Joe Grant and Ollie Johnson. Pete and I absorbed as much knowledge as we possibly could during a period of growth in our careers. I would like to think our esteemed mentors also drew inspiration from our curiosity and unexplored visions!

A mentorship is not a few hours of counseling every so often; it is pulling together on real projects, with business/creative goals and knowledge gains to be made by both sides. This is the partnership I had with Claude Coats, and we remained lifetime friends because of our shared working time together.

Going Forward - No company is perfect, and like any other corporation Disney has its own politics and challenges. We are artists, engineers, managers, filmmakers and musicians. But our company is unique; there is no place like it on earth. We are lucky. At the end of the day, it is my hope that this letter will add to the special culture that I have been privileged to grow in. I see the probability for that happening in my interactions with younger Imagineers like Michel, Josh, Zach, Dylan, Laura, Manuel, Vanessa and Brandon, which are beyond rewarding to me. At a time when "unlearning" is as critical as "learning," it's important to listen to the way these people think and enjoy the things they do. Creativity I have mined from their game-changing perspectives, now effectively influences my own design process. I hope that when their careers peak some decades from now, they will look back on our time together as I value the time I was able to spend with Claude Coats.

And now it comes down to the point at hand. I am not suggesting that I could be a mentor to you all, but that said, you should all have someone you can turn to in this manner. I do hope to be available to help support your ideas, give advice or even join a team whenever appropriate. My role will be one of supporting your visions in the best way I can, and encouraging you to maintain and build upon this already special place. I will have availability, and if you would like my assistance in any way, please e-mail Bruce Vaughn's office to request my time.

This is not a goodbye, but hopefully a letter of introduction to the many of you that I have not yet had the chance to meet personally …

Tony Baxter

Feb. 1, 2013

Wow - Talk about a stinging rebuke of current TWDC values and management style.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
No, I don't. I expect them, and they have indicated both with their announcements and behaviors, to spend a portion of that money plus sing and improving current attractions as well. Jurrasic Park overhauls have already leaked out, for example.

No reasonable person expects a new E Ticket ride every year, every 2-5 years is the most reasonable schedule for this. But adding a new C-Ticket for each park each year is not unreasonable with older less popular C-tickets fading into yesterland. Not the current mode of discontinuing attractions and shows replacing with NOTHING and raising prices at multiples of the inflation rate to boot.
 

WDWDad13

Well-Known Member
Yea, I know what you mean... Too bad Storybook Circus is only a renamed kiddie coaster (Barstormer to Great Goofini and an added spinner for Dumbo)... However, were are the great rides Disney has added the last few years? Can't seem to count even one...

When Disney was adding rides and Uni wasn't were people making fun of Uni? When Uni slows down and Disney starts creating new rides again, people will still trash Disney because it will never be good enough for some yet they continue to set attendance records each year.

They can't make everyone happy and yes all of us here including me would like to see them do more...but they must be doing something right
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
When Disney was adding rides and Uni wasn't were people making fun of Uni? When Uni slows down and Disney starts creating new rides again, people will still trash Disney because it will never be good enough for some yet they continue to set attendance records each year.

They can't make everyone happy and yes all of us here including me would like to see them do more...but they must be doing something right
People who pay attention were well aware of how GE and Blackstone were just letting Universal Orlando Resort stagnate. What makes their transformation so exciting is that they bucked the conventional wisdom that even Disney adopted in the wake of the Euro Disney disaster. In spite of this clear success (as well as its success in Anaheim and Hong Kong where the local governments applied pressure) Disney continues to insist that the practicality of their old ways are just the delusional fantasy of the Walties.
 
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ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
With the empty lots at the resorts it makes me wonder whether WDW has hit an inflection point and hereafter attendance trends will be downward. With room rates at 1K for Deluxe resorts makes me wonder whether Disney has finally pushed pricing envelope too far.

I can see Poly and GF rooms at the $500-600 level during the holidays but no more than that, Room rates are cheaper in Midtown Manhattan during the Holiday season than at WDW and that makes no sense.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
People who pay attention were well aware of how GE and Blackstone were just letting Universal Orlando Resort stagnate. What makes their transformation so exciting is that they bucked the conventional wisdom that even Disney adopted in the wake of the Euro Disney disaster. In spite of this clear success (as well as its success in Anaheim and Hong Kong where the local governments applied pressure) Disney continues to insist that the practicality their old ways are just the delusional fantasy of the Walties.

THIS
 

Captain Chaos

Well-Known Member
When Disney was adding rides and Uni wasn't were people making fun of Uni? When Uni slows down and Disney starts creating new rides again, people will still trash Disney because it will never be good enough for some yet they continue to set attendance records each year.

They can't make everyone happy and yes all of us here including me would like to see them do more...but they must be doing something right
Actually, um, yes, people were making fun of Universal... Problem is, some people just cannot handle Disney being trashed, while Uni fans (yes, there were a few at that time) never acted like some Disney fans act today when Disney is trashed...

I was one of those people who never gave Universal a pass.. I bashed them unmercifully... But then I opened my mind and saw Universal in a different light... Saw they actually had quality parks... Saw how much fun their parks truly are.... Wizarding World cemented Universal as a destination for me.. Diagon Alley will only further cement that... IN fact, Universal has won me over.. Disney lost me... if I want broken AA's and cobwebs, I'll visit Six Flags...

So, yes, people were in fact bashing Universal... But, again, Universal fans took it in stride and didn't go off the deep end with snarky comments when the negative truth was discussed... Sadly, we cannot say the same for some WDW fans...
 

GiveMeTheMusic

Well-Known Member
And do what? b**** and moan on a Disney fan forum :)

Don't blindly hand unfeeling multinational corporations your hard earned money unless they EARN it. Disney isn't earning it. I used to be a big spender - yearly on-site trips, dining plan, merch - no more. I won't give them my money again until they earn it. I'm not loyal to corporations, I'm loyal to what delivers the most value for my precious few dollars. Right now, that ain't WDW.

I don't give Disney (or anyone else) a pass on crappy movies - I don't pay to see them and won't pay to rent/buy them (check out all those Blu-rays of Lone Ranger that stores aren't bothering to put on shelves). I don't go to see every Disney movie because IT'S DISNEY!!!!!OMG!!!DISNEY!!!! They put out stinkers on a regular basis, and I won't go.

Same with the parks. I visit DLR a lot, because DLR is killing it right now. I visit Uni because they're killing it. Why should I pay to go to WDW when I know the exact same slate of decaying attractions will await me in five years when they finally open up a new addition at DAK? I won't do it, and anyone with any kind of discernment shouldn't do it either.

They're charging way too much for an inferior and bastardized version of their own product. It's the height of corporate arrogance and I'll have no part in rewarding it. I will happily fork over thousands to them when they restore themselves to meeting their own previously held standards.

It's really not rocket science bro, lolz :D :D :D :D
 

TubaGeek

God bless the "Ignore" button.
That's not snarky it's the truth. They did that didn't they?

I admit they've developed some great rides....but they've also changed the name of one and built a spinner too so it isn't all top notch additions

It's the truth. And it's snarky. Your sentence was the definition of "sarcasm". Either way, I LIKE Uni's new spinner; not as a ride for me, but as a kenitic energy that adds a much-needed ride for the little ones. The aforementioned innovation is what really impresses me, though. Universal has no simple spinners, as both have their own gimmick that makes it unique. One Fish, Two Fish still makes me laugh like a small child every time I ride it.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
Actually, um, yes, people were making fun of Universal... Problem is, some people just cannot handle Disney being trashed, while Uni fans (yes, there were a few at that time) never acted like some Disney fans act today when Disney is trashed...

I was one of those people who never gave Universal a pass.. I bashed them unmercifully... But then I opened my mind and saw Universal in a different light... Saw they actually had quality parks... Saw how much fun their parks truly are.... Wizarding World cemented Universal as a destination for me.. Diagon Alley will only further cement that... IN fact, Universal has won me over.. Disney lost me... if I want broken AA's and cobwebs, I'll visit Six Flags...

So, yes, people were in fact bashing Universal... But, again, Universal fans took it in stride and didn't go off the deep end with snarky comments when the negative truth was discussed... Sadly, we cannot say the same for some WDW fans...
You make a valid point. I visited Uni when they first opened. It wasn't much and many things were broke. I didn't return and I was critical of the whole place. I didn't make excuses for them.

Sick and tired of people calling it Disney bashing just because we NOTICE a decline in their quality. Pound for pound Uni is just doing a better job, that's all
 

TubaGeek

God bless the "Ignore" button.
They're charging way too much for an inferior and bastardized version of their own product.
I'll just leave this here.
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ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
That's not snarky it's the truth. They did that didn't they?

I admit they've developed some great rides....but they've also changed the name of one and built a spinner too so it isn't all top notch additions

To be fair the spinner was laginappe for the Springfield area it was not billed as a primary attraction, They had a moderate sized space to fill and they used a spinner to fill it, The coaster was a rename/retheme so I'd call it a refurb rather than a 'new' attraction.
 

Captain Chaos

Well-Known Member
You make a valid point. I visited Uni when they first opened. It wasn't much and many things were broke. I didn't return and I was critical of the whole place. I didn't make excuses for them.

Sick and tired of people calling it Disney bashing just because we NOTICE a decline in their quality. Pound for pound Uni is just doing a better job, that's all
The breaking point for me was, geez, the first year after the Simpsons ride opened, I think... I was visiting friends in the area... We had HHN tickets for the night, so we decided to make a day of it at Universal... This would have been my first HHN visit... Notice I said WOULD HAVE BEEN...

Anyway, I had been to Universal before, but it didn't really leave an impression... But HHN was something we all wanted to do... So, during this course of the day, we got bored, noticed the parks looking in rough shape, and encountered many horrible Team Members, many of them not smiling, acting grumpy, not helping the guests, and being down right rude... The boiling point happened at Simpsons...

We took our seats in the vehicle, but the Team Member continued to bark orders, like we were a bunch of children... Everyone (6 of us) had to stand up, exit the car, and enter again, this time switching tallest for shortest in the front/back... I don't know if the vehicle had just malfunctioned, or what the issue was, but the Team Member was not getting the go to start the attraction... And she only got more and more rude... The final straw was when she yelled on top of her lungs about no one knowing how to follow instructions... I told her we are all adults, no need to talk to us like little children, and I stormed out... I went right to Guest Services and lodged a complaint...

The girls at GS were great I must say... They quickly put the cooling water on a fiery situation... The manager of the area for the Simpsons came over, took my statement, and promised he'd look into the matter... Then, the crap really hit the fan when a GS manager came out.. SHe asked the girls what the situation was, and she quickly dismissed us and our complaint because, ready?? We were wearing "Disney" shirts... I was the only one wearing one, a pirates of the caribbean jersey... When she said that, I blew a gasket.. I had an annual pass at that time, and made them cancel the pass (I was on the monthly payment plan, and I refused to pay them another cent)... At the same time, my friend demanded our money back for the HHN tickets, which we all know they never do.... But they did for us in this instance...

I lodged a second complaint when I returned home from the vacation, vowing to never step foot in their dirty, disgusting, and horribly run parks ever again... The manager I spoke with offered me two free park hopper passes when I visited next... I took them up on the offer a few months before Wizarding World opened... And what a difference a year or two made... Friendly Team Members, clean parks, well run and efficient... And just tons of fun to be had... Wasn't bored at all, not even for 1 minute... Wish I could say the same for being in the WDW parks this park October, when I couldn't wait until the day was done cause boredom crept in pretty quick...
 

John

Well-Known Member
When Disney was adding rides and Uni wasn't were people making fun of Uni? When Uni slows down and Disney starts creating new rides again, people will still trash Disney because it will never be good enough for some yet they continue to set attendance records each year.

They can't make everyone happy and yes all of us here including me would like to see them do more...but they must be doing something right


Disney USED to do something right and have been living off that legacy for sometime now. It will catch up to them. The things they have been doing are short term gains. Future? If they broke ground tomorrow morning on Avland it wouldn't be ready for atleast three years. That is 2017. What is going to happen between now and then? I know what!.......price increases!.....yea!!!!!!!

P.S. DTD does not constitute an attraction addition.....sorry
 
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englanddg

One Little Spark...
The breaking point for me was, geez, the first year after the Simpsons ride opened, I think... I was visiting friends in the area... We had HHN tickets for the night, so we decided to make a day of it at Universal... This would have been my first HHN visit... Notice I said WOULD HAVE BEEN...

Anyway, I had been to Universal before, but it didn't really leave an impression... But HHN was something we all wanted to do... So, during this course of the day, we got bored, noticed the parks looking in rough shape, and encountered many horrible Team Members, many of them not smiling, acting grumpy, not helping the guests, and being down right rude... The boiling point happened at Simpsons...

We took our seats in the vehicle, but the Team Member continued to bark orders, like we were a bunch of children... Everyone (6 of us) had to stand up, exit the car, and enter again, this time switching tallest for shortest in the front/back... I don't know if the vehicle had just malfunctioned, or what the issue was, but the Team Member was not getting the go to start the attraction... And she only got more and more rude... The final straw was when she yelled on top of her lungs about no one knowing how to follow instructions... I told her we are all adults, no need to talk to us like little children, and I stormed out... I went right to Guest Services and lodged a complaint...

The girls at GS were great I must say... They quickly put the cooling water on a fiery situation... The manager of the area for the Simpsons came over, took my statement, and promised he'd look into the matter... Then, the crap really hit the fan when a GS manager came out.. SHe asked the girls what the situation was, and she quickly dismissed us and our complaint because, ready?? We were wearing "Disney" shirts... I was the only one wearing one, a pirates of the caribbean jersey... When she said that, I blew a gasket.. I had an annual pass at that time, and made them cancel the pass (I was on the monthly payment plan, and I refused to pay them another cent)... At the same time, my friend demanded our money back for the HHN tickets, which we all know they never do.... But they did for us in this instance...

I lodged a second complaint when I returned home from the vacation, vowing to never step foot in their dirty, disgusting, and horribly run parks ever again... The manager I spoke with offered me two free park hopper passes when I visited next... I took them up on the offer a few months before Wizarding World opened... And what a difference a year or two made... Friendly Team Members, clean parks, well run and efficient... And just tons of fun to be had... Wasn't bored at all, not even for 1 minute... Wish I could say the same for being in the WDW parks this park October, when I couldn't wait until the day was done cause boredom crept in pretty quick...
While not that bad, I did Uni in 2004, and was grossly upset with the condition. If the trip hadn't been free, I would have complained. I had memories of Uni from when they first opened, and remembered it being (while not Disney), really neat, clean and well run. When my daughter asked to go see Harry Potter in 2012, I was a bit iffy about it, due to this past experience. But, I was pleasantly surprised...no...shocked...at how far the parks had come!

And, if you read through my trip report, in only a 3 day stay I had at least 6 "magic moments" with CMs who went above and beyond for either me, the kid, or just excelling and enjoying their jobs. That same trip, I had a 10 day stay at Disney and noted...none.
 

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