MM+ Why we can't have nice things.

ABQ

Well-Known Member
This is both the blessing and the curse of WDW. All that space allows for areas like your picture and so many others that you will never get at Uni or for that matter DLR. The spread out resorts with fantastic grounds and the preserved natural areas are as much a part of WDW as the parks.

That blessing of space is also a curse. All that infrastructure. Buses, monorails and boats to operate and maintain. Highways to pave and repair, bridges, tunnels, loads of landscaping. It's all expensive to operate and maintain. While Universal or DLR can focus virtually all of their resources on the 2 parks and rides/attractions WDW has so much additional infrastructure to worry about. As a visitor it's great to stay someplace like Wilderness Lodge or even Saratoga Springs which has beautiful natural views and landscaping. It's sometimes a drag to have to hoof it to a bus stop only to wait 30 minutes then stop 4 more times before you even get out of your resort. In order to get the spread out and natural resorts you have to deal with busing it places. At DLR and Universal the 2 parks plus DTD/CityWalk are all crunched together so you can park and easily get between all 3. In that respect not having buses is a blessing.
You're correct, I can see it from both sides. I'm happy that WDW has no abandoned all support for this natural spaces though. They could just fence it off, keep out the public and save a buck. I suppose the only legit comparison would be the Epcot resorts area and the two parks walk able from within them. And we all know Uni is leading in that pseudo apples to apples comparison there. Still, I know I'm going to be dealing with buses and boats when I stay way out in the WL area, but it's a price I'm willing to pay.
 

ScoutN

OV 104
Premium Member
Well it's a space between the WL and FW and perhaps that is where someone contemplated building, but I look at it as a wonderful space. Not as a place we're lucky to have as some fool once planned to build here. No reason to diminish its value because someone had a hair brained idea, I guess we can also say "hey good, someone else kicked that idea to the can where it belonged."

It was well past contemplation. Something else will be built there DVC related so do not fret. The peaceful nature of that stretch will soon be gone.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
Don't forget that it used to be possible to have a parade around WS lagoon. Now it is too cluttered. I think we were discussing WDW as a whole though.
I forgot to type that I was using EPCOT as an example of "A way different time" as @WDWDad13 referred to it. I think that WDW as a whole was probly more expensive to operate back in the day based on the ratio of things that were available then vs today. I only say that due to the fact that they were actually building new resorts, attractions, and even parks (MGM) at a steady pace while up keeping the parks at the same time. The food was much higher in quality as well which had to have cost more than what they have today (for the most part)
 

asianway

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
That's all he has been doing the whole time.

  • It's ok they over charge -- that's what businesses are supposed to do.
  • It's ok they haven't added anything worthwhile, they are busy painting buses (and 24 other things that add no or minimal tangible benefit to the customer and shouldn't and wouldn't have been noticed if they were doing anything worth noticing, but they are not).
  • It's ok that the product is deteriorating, its gotten too big to keep the standards of the past.
  • It's ok that they are raiding their corporate capital and goodwill and not reinvesting their record revenue because at the end of the day, I still enjoy visiting.
And, frankly, on the last point, he is right, and TDO is laughing all the way to the bank and the current execs will be long gone when it comes time to pay the piper.
Dont forget paying an insane premium for lower tier offerings because it fits the honey boo boo budgets and value resorts are more MAGICal than sucking it up and flying overseas to see what Disney is like done right. And If you can afford WDW, you can afford Tokyo. You might just need to forego one of the two trips a year. And really, with the stagnation, who the hell needs to go twice? How many times can you ride Soarin'?
 

ABQ

Well-Known Member
Would it kill them to build a non-DVC Resort or are resort occupancy rates too low to even bother?
Well if they don't get butts into existing structures like the GFV (which, btw, is the most boring building I've ever entered) I'm not too confident in the impending building plans @Scoutn757 is speaking of. But I'm no insider, so what do I know?
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
You're correct, I can see it from both sides. I'm happy that WDW has no abandoned all support for this natural spaces though. They could just fence it off, keep out the public and save a buck. I suppose the only legit comparison would be the Epcot resorts area and the two parks walk able from within them. And we all know Uni is leading in that pseudo apples to apples comparison there. Still, I know I'm going to be dealing with buses and boats when I stay way out in the WL area, but it's a price I'm willing to pay.
I'm with you. I prefer the natural areas and spread out feel. I actually prefer the Lake View rooms at BLT over MK view. It's so peaceful and natural. I am willing to give up the convenience of the short walks for the natural beauty and it plays nicely with longer length stays where you are likely to spend more time at the resorts.
 

The Visionary Soul

Well-Known Member
Links to verify, or verification from Disney everything on your list please, thank you.


Jimmy Thick- Queue Jeopardy final question theme.
You want verification? Go to the parks. Seriously, most of the list I've compiled here can be gathered from just visiting the parks and talking to the cast members who use the technology everyday. Now, if you want me to elaborate on the actual problems with everything that I've posted, well, I'll be more than happy to show you...
  • No localized servers? Check.
This is well known, because when the servers go down in Florida in the middle of the night, they go down at midnight in California and 9 or 10pm in Hawaii... and I don't know the time difference in Tokyo. Bottom line is localized servers would have fixed this problem. (Yes, many of Disney's servers do need to go down nightly for required maintenance, if you want proof, just try and check-in in the middle of the night at any Disney hotel.)
  • Incomplete functions of My Disney Experience Website? Check.
Ever try to renew your annual pass on the site? It directs you to an omni-ticket website and then tells you to print off a paper voucher to bring to a Disney ticket window to exchange. Not the seamless experience we were hoping for. Already have a magic band from a previous resort stay? The system will send you a new one anyway. The mobile version of the site is usually far too slow to use in the parks, and the way the entire site was built, it reloads the entire page if you make any change to the page at all. It's very strange, ask a web design coding expert if you want verification.
  • Purchase of badly designed (custom designed for Disney mind you) devices for Magic Band Terminals at all hotels, guest relations, and merch and food locations? Check.
Credit cards have to be swiped upside down. The devices fall off their bases, which aren't heavy enough anyway. Just pure bad design of these devices. Ask anyone who works with them on a daily basis and I assure you that you're not going to hear good things.
  • Continual printing of extra unnecessary RFID enabled cards for guests? Check.
The system was designed for everyone to have 1 magic band and 1 card. Disney World decided to start printing things on the RFID cards (Like Annual Passholder and the like) for no apparent reason, since nothing can be verified anyway without scanning them. The extra cards and magic bands are overloading the system.
  • No way to actually read magic bands at toll plazas? Check... though eventually fixed.
Yeah, there are countless threads on this... you know this one to be true just by reading WDWmagic.
  • No way to book DVC Open House times into myDisney Experience? Check.
This isn't so much a guest issue as it is for DVC. Because everything is planned ahead of time with FastPass+ and Dining reservations that have a cancellation fee, getting a guest to a DVC open house is a pain in the next to schedule now, and the amount of no-shows at these things has almost doubled since the launch of MyMagic+. (This is all coming from a friend who works in DVC who shall not be named, but I'm sure you could ask anyone at the booths in the parks how the open house reservations are going and you'll get a pretty dismal answer.)
  • No way to verify anything about status of a guest at any register on property? Check.
Yeah, you have to have a system that can show that information to the cast member. Every time I use my Annual Pass for a discount they want to physically see the AP card (which is pointless to carry, because I could just use my magic band) and my photo ID to compare the name I scribbled on the back of the card (which can easily be erased and re-written, btw) to the name on my Govt. ID. If they had a way to verify anything on the register, they wouldn't need to do that.
  • Mixing the names of FastPass and FastPass+? Check. (I was issued paper FastPass+ to ride the mermaid ride a week ago.)
I guess you should just go get a paper FastPass for the Mermaid ride? You'll see it's printed on FastPass+ paper.
  • Telling the guys in Burbank that things were going well and hiding the fact that the rollout has been iffy at best? Check.
This is happening, and I have no way for you to verify that it is, so you're just going to have to take my word for it. Maybe you could call Tom Staggs and ask him how the project is going, and talk to him about the construction of the DVC at the Grand while you're at it.
  • Activation of Magic Bands in resorts not working properly from the get go? Check.
Try to use your Magic Band to enter the resort that you're staying at for the first time you get there. It won't work. Try to buy something at the gift shop with the pin you created online ahead of time. It won't work. Then, try to use it to get into the building at Art of Animation where your room is located. It still won't work. Only after you touch every single magic band in your family to the door lock of your actual room will the magic bands work properly. Why? Not a clue. The only way around this is for them to manually activate them at the front desk. (Which they were trying to avoid, the entire point of the system in the hotels is to allow you to skip the front desk entirely.)
  • Iffy wifi coverage in the parks because wrongfully trained Cast Members are checking the signal strength with lackluster tools? Check.
I saw a cast member with the MyMagic+ team walking around the park. But she walked 5 feet, then stopped, looked at her phone, then moved another 5 feet, stopped, looked at her phone, then kept doing this. Curious, I asked her what she was doing. She said she was checking wifi signal. I asked how. She said they were just recording how many bands they got at various points in the park. I couldn't believe it. They weren't looking at speeds, ping time, or anything that would actually give you real data. They were looking at the wifi bands on an iPhone. (For those of you not in IT, this is NOT a good indicator to use when rolling out a network)


Anyway, I think I've more than satisfied your request, so get to the park and start verifying what I'm saying.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
Well if they don't get butts into existing structures like the GFV (which, btw, is the most boring building I've ever entered) I'm not too confident in the impending building plans @Scoutn757 is speaking of. But I'm no insider, so what do I know?
Wilderness Lodge is loved by many and was a great addition IMO. AoA seems to be a big hit so that kinda shows there is an interest in new reosrts (non DVC). I think a smaller deluxe resort would be a good idea. Nothing huge. Just build a small well themed resort and people will book it. Add buildings later as needed to keep cost down and guests satisfied. I have no clue if that is even a business model that would work though.
 

ABQ

Well-Known Member
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  • Continual printing of extra unnecessary RFID enabled cards for guests? Check.
The system was designed for everyone to have 1 magic band and 1 card. Disney World decided to start printing things on the RFID cards (Like Annual Passholder and the like) for no apparent reason, since nothing can be verified anyway without scanning them. The extra cards and magic bands are overloading the system....
This was the only thing that really bugged me during my last stay. Having to carry the hard copy AP to prove I was an AP holder when attempting to purchase something at discount. If you have to carry the band anyway, it would be assumed they could prove I was am me with just a look at my driver's license or equivalent documentation.
 

luv

Well-Known Member
Yeah but they spent a billion dollars on this thing and got 1.5 hours of prime Christmas Day viewing time to advertise it. If they didn't showcase the bands it would border on corporate negligence. We here are all sick of hearing about the bands (good or bad), but tons of "regular people" don't have a clue they exist. I have a hunch that if they didn't mention the bands or MM+ at all during the parade this board would be buzzing with posts talking about how the project is going so poorly that they are trying to hide it or cover it up;)
It doesn't matter much if we are or aren't sick of wristbands or what we would or wouldn't say if they didn't show them. We are a small group and we are going to the parks, anyway.

Those "regular people" aren't for or against wristbands. They just don't care about the wristbands. All the wristband enthusiasm (and $$$ spent on celebrity endorsement) is wasted on them. NOBODY is going to spend thousands of dollars on a vacation because they want a polka dot wristband. It doesn't encourage anyone to come to Orlando.

It was a total waste of good advertising time. That is time they could have used to show things that would make people want to visit...spent talking about wristbands.
 

The Visionary Soul

Well-Known Member
This was the only thing that really bugged me during my last stay. Having to carry the hard copy AP to prove I was an AP holder when attempting to purchase something at discount. If you have to carry the band anyway, it would be assumed they could prove I was am me with just a look at my driver's license or equivalent documentation.
Well, what it does is kind of make a point for them to be able to scan your magic band and see that there is an Annual Pass linked to your account... but that ability doesn't exist for them. That's why they are still asking to see the card and an ID. They would still need an ID unless they took a photo of you and had it pop up on the screen to show that it's you... wait, don't they already do that at Disneyland? :)
 

asianway

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Would it kill them to build a non-DVC Resort or are resort occupancy rates too low to even bother?
AOAR has been a drain on occupancy rates per the earnings calls.

Part of the model that makes DVC successful is plugging into existing facilities & infrastructure so they don't have to pay for all of that. In the US we are now left with Yacht Club, DLH & PPH in the deluxe category. I suspect DLH will be next. At some point I also see them turning buildings at moderates into timeshare. Not sure how that would work for trading but they'll figure it out
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
It was a total waste of good advertising time. That is time they could have used to show things that would make people want to visit...spent talking about wristbands.
Its sad they couldnt even mention Avatar since its appx a decade away from completion. And they can only pimp the comedy Star Wars act for so long until people are sick of it. But hey, NPH has all four park bandits on his wristband so we better start planning our next trip to get em!
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Well if they don't get butts into existing structures like the GFV (which, btw, is the most boring building I've ever entered) I'm not too confident in the impending building plans @Scoutn757 is speaking of. But I'm no insider, so what do I know?
They have a little over 25% of the GFV points sold, but at the current pace it will take about 2 years to sell out. They already broke ground on the Poly so that's next up, but looks to be even smaller than GFV. They are going to need to build something next to keep those annual profits in the mix. No clue if it will be near Wilderness Lodge or EPCOT or somewhere else.
 

asianway

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
They have a little over 25% of the GFV points sold, but at the current pace it will take about 2 years to sell out. They already broke ground on the Poly so that's next up, but looks to be even smaller than GFV. They are going to need to build something next to keep those annual profits in the mix. No clue if it will be near Wilderness Lodge or EPCOT or somewhere else.
Count on it converting existing assets- South Wing, longhouses, etc
 

ABQ

Well-Known Member
Well, what it does is kind of make a point for them to be able to scan your magic band and see that there is an Annual Pass linked to your account... but that ability doesn't exist for them. That's why they are still asking to see the card and an ID. They would still need an ID unless they took a photo of you and had it pop up on the screen to show that it's you... wait, don't they already do that at Disneyland? :)
I don't mind the ID necessity, but would welcome the carry one less card, ie the Annual Pass as wasn't that the point of the darn band in the first place. One Stop Shopping? I do assume that's something that will one day be possible.
 

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