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lazyboy97o

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You are really saying Disney tries to do other things to avoid building theme park attractions?!? Wow. You guys are really trying too hard these days lol
I don't know what part you are having trouble understanding. Do you not know the details of the story? How Euro Disney was considered over-built so the parks to follow would have just enough. How FastPass was supposed to increase spending. How Disney's California Adventure had excessive dining and retail capacity. How Disney said the Chinese didn't really want attractions, but just picturesque settings to photograph.
 

ParentsOf4

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Despite what some think, DVC is not guaranteed income for Disney.

Most current DVC members will not be going to WDW 40 years from now. One way or another, when they are done with DVC, they are going to get rid of their interest.

The first possibility is that they give their DVC memberships to family members or friends who presumably want to go to WDW.

The next possibility is that they sell to someone who wants to go to WDW. DVC did not make those buyers suddenly interested in visiting WDW. They wanted to go anyway and decided that a DVC resale works best for them financially. The money in the resale is transferred from one individual to another. Except for a small admin fee, Disney gets nothing in the transfer.

Alternatively, if DVC members cannot find buyers or renters, then they simply stop paying their annual Maintenance Fees and default. Disney is now stuck with points that they then have to sell. And, of course, Disney can sell these points only if someone wants them, only if Disney continues to make WDW a place that people want to visit and buy DVC points at.

Again, DVC does not represent guaranteed income for Disney. Disney still has to keep WDW a place that guests want to visit. Otherwise, DVC (and WDW) becomes worthless. Corporate Disney needs to maintain a profitable WDW and, in doing so, indirectly boosts the value of DVC.

What DVC does mean is that someone vacationing at WDW 40 years from now is going to be paying less than WDW’s rack rates. (If not less, then DVC becomes worthless and members simply default, leaving Disney with lots of unoccupied rooms.)

DVC steals guests away from Disney’s highly profitable Deluxe Resorts and transfers them to timeshares with much lower annual Maintenance Fees.

What DVC does mean is that corporate Disney is sacrificing profits for the next 40 years so they can make a quick buck this year on the initial sale.

Most of those within corporate Disney that are pushing for more DVC at WDW aren't going to be around in 20 years. Heck, a lot are not going to be at Disney in 10 years. 10 years from now, DVC is someone else’s problem. All they know is that they were able to cash in today on someone else’s future.

Sound familiar?

Merry Christmas. :)
 
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Captain Chaos

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Again, DVC does not represent guaranteed income for Disney. Disney still has to keep WDW a place that guests want to visit. Otherwise, DVC (and WDW) becomes worthless. Corporate Disney needs to maintain a profitable WDW and, in doing so, indirectly boosts the value of DVC.

Merry Christmas. :)

Totally agree, and this is coming from a DVC member... I spent a week at my DVC this past October, and while I did wind up in WDW theme park for 4 days, my original plan did NOT include WDW... I only went to WDW cause original plans changed, I wound up heading down with with my brother who hasn't been to WDW in 12/13 years, and he wanted to go... I wouldn't take that from him, so I got 4 day base tickets... With that, we spent 2 days over at Universal... Disney got no extra cash from me other than buying some bottles of water, trying a Lefou's Puke, and a Dole Whip... Breakfast was eaten in room...

For 2014, I am still debating if I want to head down or bank my points to 2015... I want to see Diagon Alley and Gringotts but with the huge crowds Universal will see next year, I may just wait... I have no desire to see WDW... WDW is not a place I want to visit right now... They need to WOW me again, and colorful bands do not impress me... Booking my FP+ 60 days out does not impress me... Been to WDW, did that, not going back... Not until they go back to trying to EARN my money instead of expecting me to just hand it over to them...

For what it is worth, I know many people here don't care for the DVC, but I actually like it... Honestly, just for the hotel rooms, I felt it was worth the cost for me, even if I do not enter one WDW theme park... and especially much more value now as I plan on visiting Universal much much more in the future, with all the new and exciting things to come... If I want cobwebs and broken attractions, I'll head to Six Flags... :)
 

The Empress Lilly

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I don't know what part you are having trouble understanding. Do you not know the details of the story? How Euro Disney was considered over-built so the parks to follow would have just enough. How FastPass was supposed to increase spending. How Disney's California Adventure had excessive dining and retail capacity. How Disney said the Chinese didn't really want attractions, but just picturesque settings to photograph.
Well technically, I'd say that Disney spend twenty years and billions of dollars not only to avoid building attractions at themed attraction parks, but also theme.

DCA 1.0, and in its own way WDSP too, do have a reasonable attraction roster. But not theme. A costly mistake, costing $1.5 to rectify the former. Upon untold missed income in California and Paris. I still wonder how a European theme park resort would fare if it had not one but two theme parks. See Tokyo and Anaheim resorts.

HK 1.0 did have theme, but no attractions. DAK is short on both - although some do seem to enjoy DAKs strategy of 'bamboo for theme'. (I call that bamboozlement, but okay)
 

The Empress Lilly

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10 years from now, DVC is someone else’s problem. All they know is that they were able to cash in today on someone else’s future.

Sound familiar?

Merry Christmas. :)
Yes that sounds familiar. That sounds an awful lot like 'modern capitalism'. But I shall spare you all a political-economical diatribe.

Das Boat: Give your children a headstart, teach them Mandarin.
 

TubaGeek

God bless the "Ignore" button.
You are really saying Disney tries to do other things to avoid building theme park attractions?!? Wow. You guys are really trying too hard these days lol

So... where are the new attractions? You've got four theme parks more profitable than the competition, but DHS hasn't seen a new ride since Midway Mania, Epcot since Soarin', DAK since friggin' Everest, and MK has a ride with 20-year old tech and a small coaster that only took half a decade
 

WDWDad13

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So... where are the new attractions? You've got four theme parks more profitable than the competition, but DHS hasn't seen a new ride since Midway Mania, Epcot since Soarin', DAK since friggin' Everest, and MK has a ride with 20-year old tech and a small coaster that only took half a decade

Maybe thats why some of you can't enjoy Disney anymore....all you want is "rides" instead of an experience and be surrounded by many things including attractions (believe it or not attractions aren't all rides)

What Disney has is a complete experience, Uni will never have
 
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WDWDad13

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Imagine that...people wanting rides at a theme park.

How silly of them!


....and they have rides....more than Uni....but they have a lot of other things as well....again way more than Uni

Disney is a complete family experience theme park/world - Uni is more of a teen-young adult focused amusement park with rides
 

WDWDad13

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.... You clearly haven't been to UniVERSAL in quite some time.

You're right...less than 2 weeks ago. I'm sure a lot has changed since

And it just didn't do it for me....sorry...I lol that they are putting a lot of money into new things (that was really needed long ago) but it still doesn't have that vibe that Disney does for my family
 
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Captain Chaos

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UHG, rides are for AMUSEMENT Parks! All you Six Flags Snorters care about is coasters! REAL theme parks are about THEME, like walking around looking at trees and waiting in line for ATTRACTIONS like Fairytale Hall.
So that's what we have been doing wrong for all these many years... Not taking in the trees (though they barely exist in MK and Epcot LOL) and waiting in line to grope a character... Damn, I thought I was doing WDW right when I'd go for the supposed world class attractions they are so famous for... Now I know.. How silly of me....
 

Californian Elitist

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Disney is a complete family experience theme park/world - Uni is more of a teen-young adult focused amusement park with rides

If that's the case, why are families seen at Universal as well? There are lots of teens who come in packs to Disneyland. Doesn't necessarily make it a teen park. Both Uni and the Disney parks are amusement parks.

Merry Christmas to you all!
 

TubaGeek

God bless the "Ignore" button.
Maybe thats why some of you can't enjoy Disney anymore....all you want is "rides" instead of an experience and be surrounded by many things including attractions (believe it or not attractions aren't all rides)

What Disney has is a complete experience, Uni will never have

You were the one talking about new attractions, not me. Even if you broaden the conversation to include non-rides, what have you got? FLE, despite the castle model and DVC kiosk, is fantastic... and that's where that list ends.
BTW, while it is technically correct that Uni (and Disney) are amusement parks, intentionally not calling Uni a theme park would be a very Thick-headed move indeed.
 

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