MM+ Why we can't have nice things.

WDWDad13

Well-Known Member
The impact is not due to WHAT they are doing....but rather how the project has been managed and implemented. I for one think it is a good move to replace/change all of those things (yes even the old fastpass system with wasted areas set aside for old school paper machines)

They are slowly getting there....and whether we all like it or not, this is and will be the new way for experiencing wdw and I think after all the dust settles it will be good....really good
 

George

Liker of Things
Premium Member
So, I'm not a business guy. Does anyone know the official company line on how the costs of this investment will be recouped? Is it
  • more impulse buys
  • people being so enamored with the new organizational system that they book extra vacations
  • kids love the bracelet trinkets and go bat crazy with purchases
  • people decide that the addition of fastpass plus makes all star music a good "value" (i.e. costs recouped threw extra room ressies)
  • Bracelet accesses checking account directly and changes your brain chemistry so that you think having your account emptied is a fair trade for the vacation
  • APs constantly misplace bands and have to pay for an average of 12, $50 replacement bands a year
  • Disney is going to make an eBay account, "Magical_Momma_73" and sell excess bands and flash drives
  • Data indicates world wide rubber shortage and after the great rubber crash of 2019, Disney will have 62% of the world's supply in the form of magic bands
  • Costs will never be recouped, but when the bands are fully activated, Iger will have an army at his disposal as he makes his push to be chair person of the Illuminati

Also, they did need to upgrade infrastructure. Does anyone know what percentage of the cost of MM+ was the necessary work that @marni1971 referenced earlier?
 
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ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
The impact is not due to WHAT they are doing....but rather how the project has been managed and implemented. I for one think it is a good move to replace/change all of those things (yes even the old fastpass system with wasted areas set aside for old school paper machines)

They are slowly getting there....and whether we all like it or not, this is and will be the new way for experiencing wdw and I think after all the dust settles it will be good....really good

For the competition you mean
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
If standby lines are reduced by MM+ then the majority of guests will have an enhanced experience, to use corporate management speak, and so it will be a success and an improvement.

Let's see.
 
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englanddg

One Little Spark...
  • Costs will never be recouped, but when the bands are fully activated, Iger will have an army at his disposal as he makes his push to chair person of the Illuminati
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doctornick

Well-Known Member
The impact is not due to WHAT they are doing....but rather how the project has been managed and implemented. I for one think it is a good move to replace/change all of those things (yes even the old fastpass system with wasted areas set aside for old school paper machines)

They are slowly getting there....and whether we all like it or not, this is and will be the new way for experiencing wdw and I think after all the dust settles it will be good....really good

Agreed. I think much of the concepts behind MM+ are defensible, if not outright needed. Certainly infrastructure updates to the tech sides of things (both on site and on the web) was a necessity. The issue comes from the execution side of things, both in how things have been rolled out and how the features have been applied to the guests (e.g FP+).
 

ParentsOf4

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So, I'm not a business guy. Does anyone know the official company line on how the costs of this investment will be recouped?
Officially? As in publically stated?

Wall Street keeps asking the same question.

Something to consider is what Disney CEO Bob Iger said during the company’s May 2013 earnings call.

When asked:

"As you think about rolling out the FastPass+ and all of those new technological elements, do you think it's a better strategy to kind of bifurcate them by offering them to resort guests or something only at first to drive higher occupancy? Or do you go wide for everybody with that stuff?”

Iger responded with:

"We have for years had in place products that are available only to hotel guests. And actually, one thing that I think Jay alluded to, didn't say specifically, is the My Magic+ will definitely encourage people to stay more on-property than off-property. Jay was talking about essentially by being able to plan ahead, people will basically have more plans with us, and that will in effect discourage them from doing other things. I think it will also encourage them to stay more in our hotels. And so I think you have to look at that as an additional value to My Magic+."

Note in the last sentence that when Iger talks about “additional value to MyMagic+”, he’s talking about its additional value to the company, not to customers.

MyMagic+ (MM+) is designed to encourage onsite stays, which enhances corporate Disney’s bottom line.

What everyone should be aware of is that WDW’s hotels and timeshares are incredibly profitable. Disney would much rather have you staying onsite spending your money at one of their hotels than staying offsite and spending your money at someone else’s hotel.

If successful enough, MM+ will allow Disney to cut back on those "Room Only" and "Free Dining" discounts that WDW seems to offer for most of the year. From Disney's perspective, those discounts are incredibly expensive. Those discounts represent pure profit walking out the door.

The problem with MM+ is that it’s essentially a zero-sum game. Sure, there’s a nice new phone app plus some cool glowing Mickey globes. However, considering its tremendous cost, MM+ adds comparatively little “additional value” for WDW’s customers as a whole.

Some customers will benefit, some will be impacted minimally, while others (mostly offsite guests) will be negatively impacted. In total for all WDW’s guests, not much is gained by MM+.

MM+ in general, and FP+ in particular, focus on taking away ride capacity from offsite guests and redistributing it to onsite guests. It focuses on an improved onsite experience at the cost of a reduced offsite experience.

It’s a perfectly valid business strategy, nothing sinister about it. Businesses do it all the time. Improve sales by concentrating company resources on high-value customers.

However, companies typically don’t spend billions to do so. They simply shift resources around at relatively little cost.

The reason why it’s important for companies to do this at minimal cost is because they inevitably lose some low-value customers. Sales gained from high-value customers will be partially offset from lost low-value customers. The overall effect (for the company) is a net-positive but, cumulatively, it’s nowhere near as impressive as selling more to everyone.

MM+ demonstrates this thinking. It’s a strategy that likely will cause some offsite guests to stay onsite and perhaps encourage some onsite guests to stay longer. However, it also likely will cause some offsite guests to not visit at all.

Some are going to drop WDW from their Orlando vacations and head up the road where they are building some things that are a lot cooler than a glowing Mickey globe.

From a business perspective, corporate Disney’s gamble is not in the strategy itself but in spending billions to implement it. It’s a huge investment for such a strategy.

That’s money that could have been used to improve the theme park experience for everyone, and drive organic growth across all WDW segments.

The money invested in MM+ represents a missed opportunity.

Someone, somewhere, came up with some numbers to justify MM+. I’m sure tens-of-thousands of hours went into the business case. However, in the end, it’s a zero-sum strategy and one can’t help but question how the return is ever going to justify the investment.

As I’ve written before, MM+ changes how the pie is sliced; it does not bake a bigger pie.

Corporate Disney would be raking in a lot more money if they just figured out the right receipt to bake a bigger pie.
 
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WDWDad13

Well-Known Member
On the contrary, management up I4, assuming you mean Universal as "competition", are having a good laugh at all Disneys problems.

they can laugh all they want... just like Blackberry did when new innovative technology in smart phones came out

give it time my friend... this isn't like building a new attraction of coming up with a new butterbeer...this is a whole new foundation to build upon
 
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WDWDad13

Well-Known Member
If standby lines are reduced by MM+ then the majority of guests will have an enhanced experience, to use corporate management speak, and so it will be a success and an improvement.

Let's see.

I don't think the goal is to reduce standby lines... my experience over the past 2 weeks was that I was able to fastpass many attractions which allowed my family more time to do other things (attractions we may not otherwise have time to do, shop, snack, rest, whatever). It ESPECIALLY helped with the morning rush to things like Toy Story and Soarin'.... instead of jog with the pack... I just smiled and let them go... used my magic band later and walked right on in. Allowed us to not have to wake up as early and line up at the park gate at 8am too - big win win for us anyways
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
they can laugh all they want... just like Blackberry did when new innovative technology in smart phones came out

give it time my friend... this isn't like building a new attraction of coming up with a new butterbeer...this is a whole new foundation to build upon

Trouble is it's built on sand - the first strong tide will wash it away. Hard Customer lock in schemes never work they only succeed in alienating substantial numbers of customers, Conversely soft lock-in schemes generally DO work examples being AP''s, DVC and Magical Express and FOTL up I-4 a ways.

I'm glad you like the system personally I despise it and I only stay onsite at DVC resorts.

NGE has forced me to do the unthinkable until now - that is do I really want to stay at Disney any longer and I've got nearly 4 figures of DVC points, Disney used to be my 'vacation from electronics/deadlines/planning' now I can't do that there any longer. Perhaps it's time to sell points and work seriously on my book on New England lighthouses instead.
 

George

Liker of Things
Premium Member
@ParentsOf4 - Thanks. I would assume they already have data on how much of a bump they got on occupancy from EMH. I'm wondering if they are modeling this with the assumption that it will be way more popular than EMH. If this turns out to be a long-term money drain, they can always used my eBay idea. Heck, they could even make two or three accounts. Should provide plenty of money for an X-Wing spinner.
 

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