MM+ Why we can't have nice things.

the.dreamfinder

the.dreamfinder

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pheneix said:
Lack of investment runs well past just not building enough new experiences. Deferred infrastructure spending is out of control. Close to $3b just to fix water and power and transport problems alone. All could have been taken care of over time but postponed. You wouldn't BELIEVE how furious TDO is for even having to expand MK employee parking or being strong armed into building a proper north entrance to the resort. These guys hate spending any kind of money on anything.

And don't even get me started on the upkeep in the parks. I never thought I would be saying this but I have legitimate safety concerns regarding Disney maintenance and operations that keep me from riding certain attractions at their parks. The ability to safely maintain these heavy pieces of machinery day in and day out seems to be absent at WDW these days. I'm amazed more accidents don't happen.

I'm sorry I have to state things in such a chiche way, but its needed.
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You did say TWDC will make RCID's debt load look a lot like ED SCA's going forward.
 
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khale1970

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pheneix said:
And don't even get me started on the upkeep in the parks. I never thought I would be saying this but I have legitimate safety concerns regarding Disney maintenance and operations that keep me from riding certain attractions at their parks. The ability to safely maintain these heavy pieces of machinery day in and day out seems to be absent at WDW these days. I'm amazed more accidents don't happen.
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I don't want to call out any one ride on the internet because most of the people who work on these rides do work really hard to ensure that people, you know, don't die. What is posted here can and does have real world implications for real people. It is not possible to change an entire business. It is possible to get someone fired.

But deferred maintenance budgets. Less training. Lower standards at casting. They can make things inconsistent.
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How can you say there are attractions you avoid at WDW due to safety concerns and then say those concerns aren't sufficient to warn the general public about? In the realm of real world implication, someone being hurt or killed on a ride that is known to be improperly maintained is a bigger issue than someone losing their job. In fact, if those who are tasked with maintaining the rides know them to be dangerous to the guests and they keep this to themselves in order to stay employed, they deserve to lose their jobs.

The right thing for you and they to do is to let others (without your inside knowledge) know of the dangers so they don't place themselves in jeopardy out of ignorance. If that means someone loses a job, that's a better thing than standing silent while placing others at risk of injury or death. It's not like WDW won't be tossing the maintenance staff under the bus when what has caused you such concern inevitably happens.
 
lentesta

lentesta

Premium Member
ford91exploder said:
Look we KNOW you work for Disney, Standby lines now move at a glacial pace once FP+ return times are active, According to a friend who was down there during EMH the peter pan standby queue just drained rapidly as it was designed to. Once FP returns went active it took an hour for the 40'th person in line to enter the ride.

Why is this one asks because TDO OPS is enforcing a FP+ to standby ratio.

Calling @lentesta - what is the average standby wait these days?
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I'll find out. You want it by park?
 
jakeman

jakeman

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pheneix said:
I don't want to call out any one ride on the internet because most of the people who work on these rides do work really hard to ensure that people, you know, don't die. What is posted here can and does have real world implications for real people. It is not possible to change an entire business. It is possible to get someone fired.

But deferred maintenance budgets. Less training. Lower standards at casting. They can make things inconsistent.
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Because a CM's job is more important than the safety of the guest, right?

If you have legitimate, founded, factual concerns about a ride safety, you should probably contact the authorities, CM jobs be damned.
 
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Admiral01

Premium Member
Voxel said:
Lets be fair here though. DCA was a failure of a park before this expansion. It NEVER met numbers/expectation. Back in 2008 the park was struggling to bring in over 5 million quest a year. Hollywood Studios and Animal Kingdom brought in much more then that. While we consider the WDW in poor shape they bring in the numbers while in the management view DCA struggled and needed help.
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That is a really good point. DCA was in terrible shape.

I guess my argument would be: look what $1.5B did to a park that was in terrible shape in California (DCA), and look what $1.5B did to a resort that isn't in great shape (WDW). The $1.5B in California made more of a positive impact, relatively speaking, than the $1.5B in Florida. Radiator Springs Racers, if built in the world's most popular theme park (the Magic Kingdom), would still be a great addition.
 
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Admiral01

Premium Member
Recon443 said:
Of course that WDW $1.5B spent can be exported to other parks without spending another $1.5B. The $1.5B at Disneyland? Not so much.
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To a certain extent, but I would argue this point. The $1.5B at Disneyland included the design and engineering (non-recurring costs) for things like Radiator Springs Racers, World of Color, Little Mermaid (which we already have seen the benefit of in Florida), and other things.

Additionally, I don't judge the quality of an investment in Disney parks based on it's exportability. Carsland rocks. Exportable or not, it is now a destination for any Disney park fan. I made a special point to visit just to experience it, and I will be returning.

MM+, while exportable, does not make WDW more of a destination than it was before. Nor would the addition of MM+ make Disneyland, Paris, Hong Kong, or Tokyo more of a destination. If anything, I am less likely to return now that MM+ has been rolled out.
 
englanddg

englanddg

One Little Spark...
Admiral01 said:
To a certain extent, but I would argue this point. The $1.5B at Disneyland included the design and engineering (non-recurring costs) for things like Radiator Springs Racers, World of Color, Little Mermaid (which we already have seen the benefit of in Florida), and other things.

Additionally, I don't judge the quality of an investment in Disney parks based on it's exportability. Carsland rocks. Exportable or not, it is now a destination for any Disney park fan. I made a special point to visit just to experience it, and I will be returning.

MM+, while exportable, does not make WDW more of a destination than it was before. Nor would the addition of MM+ make Disneyland, Paris, Hong Kong, or Tokyo more of a destination. If anything, I am less likely to return now that MM+ has been rolled out.
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RSR's ride system was largely designed and developed for Test Track. The advances they made for RSR were then reincorporated into Test Track (I believe).
 
Next Big Thing

Next Big Thing

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marni1971 said:
Seriously?

So I don't need to pre book a Splash or a ToT or Soarin' or TSMM ticket for a Saturday afternoon in August weeks in advance? I can still get one at 30-60 minutes after park opening?

Great!
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Actually, yes. I've gotten ToT and Soarin' day of only a few hours before it was time to use them before. TSMM should be gotten before hand, but not to far ahead. I got one the night before no problem (This was last week).
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
jakeman said:
Because a CM's job is more important than the safety of the guest, right?

If you have legitimate, founded, factual concerns about a ride safety, you should probably contact the authorities, CM jobs be damned.
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Here is a great exercise in applied ethics,

- Speak up CM loses job replaced with much less experienced person feared accident happens.

- Don't speak up continue to collect evidence and keep attraction safe due to superior skills, with intent to 'blow the whistle' once you have incontrovertable evidence that attraction is unsafe.

If we go with scenario 1 Disney Mgt will simply say CM in question was 'disgruntled' or a 'problem employee' even though the guy may have been 'employee of the month' for the last 5 years running.

Scenario 2 - allows for problem to be solved.
 
WDWDad13

WDWDad13

Well-Known Member
ford91exploder said:
Here is a great exercise in applied ethics,

- Speak up CM loses job replaced with much less experienced person feared accident happens.

- Don't speak up continue to collect evidence and keep attraction safe due to superior skills, with intent to 'blow the whistle' once you have incontrovertable evidence that attraction is unsafe.

If we go with scenario 1 Disney Mgt will simply say CM in question was 'disgruntled' or a 'problem employee' even though the guy may have been 'employee of the month' for the last 5 years running.

Scenario 2 - allows for problem to be solved.
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Wow....just...wow
 

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