MK Testing New Entry Scans

[mousermerf]

I think the real thing that made it work for AP'ers was that they had the pass for a year and knew how to make it work. Whereas folks who have never done it before might learn it for a week, but even if they return that year, you're back to square one.

 

[Tom]

If WDW wants to take my fingerprints in order to let me in, they can have them! I have nothing to hide. My fingerprints aren't top secret - heck, I leave them on every glass I use at restaurants, on doorknobs - on everything I touch. Mine are even on record from when I got my handgun permit down at the Sheriff's office.

If these new routines are being put in place to A) Keep the parks safer, and/or 2) to help keep ticket prices lower than they WOULD be, by minimizing overuses - then I'm ALL for these security measures.

Someone mentioned face scanning cameras. I would encourage them to install them. Many professional sporting arenas have them in place already - although most people don't realize it.

You're on Disney's property - you're using their facilities - they can use whatever means and methods to ensure legitimate entry and authentic identity that they want, and the ACLU *shudder...cringe* can try as they might, but can't do anything about it (thank God).

 

[NX2I85]

If WDW wants to take my fingerprints in order to let me in, they can have them! I have nothing to hide. My fingerprints aren't top secret - heck, I leave them on every glass I use at restaurants, on doorknobs - on everything I touch. Mine are even on record from when I got my handgun permit down at the Sheriff's office.

If these new routines are being put in place to A) Keep the parks safer, and/or 2) to help keep ticket prices lower than they WOULD be, by minimizing overuses - then I'm ALL for these security measures.

Someone mentioned face scanning cameras. I would encourage them to install them. Many professional sporting arenas have them in place already - although most people don't realize it.

You're on Disney's property - you're using their facilities - they can use whatever means and methods to ensure legitimate entry and authentic identity that they want, and the ACLU *shudder...cringe* can try as they might, but can't do anything about it (thank God).

Great post!

 

[Coastieboy00]

The new turnstiles are still a biometric scan and not a finger print scan. Based on tests, it has been said that the new "one-Finger" system and get 3 guests in for every 1 guest the old system can get in. From what I have seen, this appears to be true.

The biometrics were placed on all tickets when MYW came out in order to help cut down on the transferring of tickets. Those that still have tickets at home, you will notice in read lettering on top that it says NONTRANSFERABLE. The Biometrics help with blocking this and ensuring that the original owner of the ticket is the one using the ticket.

I'm not going to defend the accuracy over the scans but from my experience, they have been pretty accurate. I wouldn't be surprised if biometrics showed up on children's tickets with in the next year either with the new system.

 

[swimmom]

If WDW wants to take my fingerprints in order to let me in, they can have them! I have nothing to hide. My fingerprints aren't top secret - heck, I leave them on every glass I use at restaurants, on doorknobs - on everything I touch. Mine are even on record from when I got my handgun permit down at the Sheriff's office.

If these new routines are being put in place to A) Keep the parks safer, and/or 2) to help keep ticket prices lower than they WOULD be, by minimizing overuses - then I'm ALL for these security measures.

In order for my daughter to teach swim lessons at the high school that she also attends, she was required to have a background check which includes finger printing. Not a big deal.

The biometric scanning that puts a person with a park pass also elimnates the fraudulant sale of unused tickets that don't have any days left on them.

 

[AEfx]

If WDW wants to take my fingerprints in order to let me in, they can have them! I have nothing to hide. My fingerprints aren't top secret - heck, I leave them on every glass I use at restaurants, on doorknobs - on everything I touch.

I feel exactly the same way, and largely for that reason.

If someone wants your fingerprints, they could just follow you around for five minutes and get them.

And if anyone wants to ever "prove" I've been in WDW, I'll just offer to show them the pics.

I'm all for financial data being secure, and not being stupid with actionable data, but c'mon...unless you are a criminal, there is nothing to hide vis a vis fingerprints.

AEfx

 

[wedoada]

I guess I dont get it. Maybe it is because I worked in Law Enforcement for 26 years. What is the big deal about scanning a fingerprint ?

I've got nothing to hide. Not likely to find any outstanding warrants or rodent related espionage with me nor do I think for a second that this is that sinister or far reaching.

It is an amusement park admission...not access to NORAD. I dont think satellites will be linking up to beam when you enter and leave the park to the NSA.

RandyW (of the Men in Black...on Wheels)

 

[jonesenon4]

:hammer: to the knucklehead who wants to join lawsuit stayaway from wdw we dont need your type there.its people like you that want to sue for every little reason and waste time and money.these type suits are the reason prices are so high.:hammer: :hammer: :hammer: once again stay away!!!!!!!!!

 

[amejr999]

First- I have had no problems with the current biometric reading system used. However, a fingerprint is obviously much more indentifying than a 1/100 sample. I don't know exactly how their system works, but I don't particularly like systems that can directly identify me or even me and a few other people.

Second- There are 2 reasons that people say it doesn't work now. First, under 'ticket tag', all tickets in one transaction are linked together, so you can use any of them. Second, during peak times, the CMs at the gate turn the system off to speed tings up.

Third- As a private company, Disney can do whatever they want. A lawsuit would be laughed out of court.

Fourth- Again without trying to turn this into a debate of the merits of the ACLU, I would like to say that I am a proud card-carrying member. Without using overworn generalizations, I would love it if someone could provide some examples of how the ACLU is hurting America.

 

[ArielBelle]

Actually, I heard that it links up to the NSA database and compares information taken at WDW with a list of known terrorist groups. I just see Jack Bauer waiting for an allert to go off at WDW.....

HAA..i love jack! (and your reference to him..) i can't believe I have to be without him until January again! How cool would a season at WDW be? :drevil:

 

[bgraham34]

Its my opinion and belief that using fingerprints to get into a park is against my civil liberties. I am no criminal and there is no reason fingerprints are needed to get into a park where the current system works fine.

Those who are willing to allow there finger prints to be used to enter an amusement park are slowly giving up there rights in my opinion. Its not a question of just get over it and Disney can do what they want. I don’t want this country to force you to use ID or show fingerprints to buy a Coke in a vending machine. This country someday I am sure will head that way and I for one as an American born and raised in a free society should not be forced to give up personal identification to get into a amusement park or buy things in a grocery store.

Its one thing if you are going to an airport but I am against that but if its to keep our skies safe then so be it. I don’t want another September 11th.

 

[wannab@dis]

READ THE THREAD! It's NOT your fingerprints.

:brick: :brick: :brick:


Please... just don't go back and you won't have to worry about it. :wave:

 

[Iakona]

If WDW wants to take my fingerprints in order to let me in, they can have them! I have nothing to hide. My fingerprints aren't top secret - heck, I leave them on every glass I use at restaurants, on doorknobs - on everything I touch. Mine are even on record from when I got my handgun permit down at the Sheriff's office.
Someone mentioned face scanning cameras. I would encourage them to install them. Many professional sporting arenas have them in place already - although most people don't realize it.

Please do not allow common sense to enter into this discussion.

 

[timoteo]

The Truth is hard to take.

The ACLU is not evil. It is a very necessary evil

Biometric scanning may or may not be a threat to our civil liberties in the future. It is relatively new and needs to be looked at as it develops.

Disney can do what ever it wants to protect its assets as you are the guest.

Do not be concerned about Disney utilizing the technology. Be grateful. It is the use and testing of this technology by puplic companies such as a Disney in such a public fashion that will reveal the monsters of this new technology, if any.

Always be concerned about your civil liberties. And teach your children the same.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Its my opinion and belief that using fingerprints to get into a park is against my civil liberties. I am no criminal and there is no reason fingerprints are needed to get into a park where the current system works fine.

Those who are willing to allow there finger prints to be used to enter an amusement park are slowly giving up there rights in my opinion. Its not a question of just get over it and Disney can do what they want. I don’t want this country to force you to use ID or show fingerprints to buy a Coke in a vending machine. This country someday I am sure will head that way and I for one as an American born and raised in a free society should not be forced to give up personal identification to get into a amusement park or buy things in a grocery store.

Its one thing if you are going to an airport but I am against that but if its to keep our skies safe then so be it. I don’t want another September 11th.

Then stay away from WDW... And you totally contradict yourself.. You don't want another 9-11 BUT you also do not want security measures in amusement/theme parks, WHICH ARE HUGE TARGETS!!!!

And please, READ THE POSTS!!!! Disney is not taking your finger prints... Geez... What is so hard to understand??? :brick:

Wannabe@dis, obviously there are only a few of us who understand what is going on here.. LOL...

 

[jakeman]

Please do not allow common sense to enter into this discussion.

Hilarious.

 

[Iakona]

Its my opinion and belief that using fingerprints to get into a park is against my civil liberties. I am no criminal and there is no reason fingerprints are needed to get into a park where the current system works fine.

Those who are willing to allow there finger prints to be used to enter an amusement park are slowly giving up there rights in my opinion. Its not a question of just get over it and Disney can do what they want. I don’t want this country to force you to use ID or show fingerprints to buy a Coke in a vending machine. This country someday I am sure will head that way and I for one as an American born and raised in a free society should not be forced to give up personal identification to get into a amusement park or buy things in a grocery store.

Its one thing if you are going to an airport but I am against that but if its to keep our skies safe then so be it. I don’t want another September 11th.

I would suggest that you explore what the actual definition of civil liberties are. Even under the ACLU definition these things are NOT a violation of your civil liberties UNLESS your fingerprints/biometric scans are used to deny you access based on religion, race, ______ or national origin.

It is purely and absolutely American that companies will try to innovate and introduce new ideas that make it easier for consumers to make purchases and validate the ownership (ie. a theme park ticket that has certain user rights as defined by Disney) or right to use the service.

It is purely American that if the public accepts these advances they will become prevalent.

It is purley American that if the public does not like these advances then the market forces will reject them and they will be abandoned.

It is purley American that you will be able to MAKE the CHOICE to utilize the service or not to.

Therefore you can CHOOSE not to go to Disney. If enough people are outraged then Disney will re-evaluate. However, most people will likely look at this as innocuous and accept it. Just like they did credit cards.

 

[amejr999]

Then stay away from WDW... And you totally contradict yourself.. You don't want another 9-11 BUT you also do not want security measures in amusement/theme parks, WHICH ARE HUGE TARGETS!!!!

And please, READ THE POSTS!!!! Disney is not taking your finger prints... Geez... What is so hard to understand??? :brick:

You are contradicting yourself. First you're saying that taking fingerprints is a security measure to prevent terrorism. Then you're saying that Disney isn't taking fingerprints and that the values taken can't be directly traced to a person. Which is it?

And I don't like being insulted. I know perfectly well what is going on here.

 

[wannab@dis]

Let's try this again...

When you touch a glass or a doorknob or whatever, you leave behind an IMAGE of your fingerprint. That image can then be compared to other IMAGES to see if they match.

Biometric finger scanning technology DOES NOT incorporate images as part of the scanning process. When you touch the sensor, it looks at the ridges, curvature, etc on your finger, utilizes a mathmatical algorythm and produces a number for your finger. Next time you enter, it looks at your finger, does the calculation and then goes out to the database to compare that number to the original.

Now... if somebody stole something in the park and left a fingerprint on the door going out of the store, they CAN NOT compare that fingerprint image to the scans taken at entry to identify the thief. The number generated by the scan has zero backwards ability to create a fingerprint image.

Hopefully, that makes it a little clearer for everyone. :wave:

 

[HauntedPirate]

Not to take away from an interesting discussion, but people have a hard enough time doing the existing two fingers-in-the-scanner. I have a hard time believing that they'll be able to handle one finger, either. I remember saying (in somewhat hushed tones) as several people in front of me at MK couldn't figure out what to do... "it's NOT freakin' rocket science - insert ticket, place index and middle fingers in scanner, wait for green light and walk thru!".