MousDad
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Just a rumor. Definitely not confirmed. In fact, at the time, Lee said he had not heard about any cuts.
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Just a rumor. Definitely not confirmed. In fact, at the time, Lee said he had not heard about any cuts.
Kristilovesdw
Member
Is 7 months really not that much time? Sounds like a lot of time for a refurb of Space Mountain, I know we were expecting more but other parks can build a whole new coaster in about the same time frame. I agree I wish it were longer especially since we all know Disney has a bad rep for taking extremely long on refurbs (i.e space mountain disneyland).
Maybe I'm being optimistic but I'm hoping they can get a lot done in that time frame and if the very least, redo the queue, clean up in interior dome, and new (comfier seats) cars.
Maybe I'm being optimistic but I'm hoping they can get a lot done in that time frame and if the very least, redo the queue, clean up in interior dome, and new (comfier seats) cars.
Building a new coaster in an open field is one thing. Building a new coaster inside an existing building is entirely another. And that does not even take into account theming, set pieces, effects etc.
hokielutz
Well-Known Member
I really hope the original rumored timelines hold true and that this information is just speculation being passed around.
But then again, we all have in our minds a timetable that we think a project would be completed in, so maybe we, as fans, are pushing the rumors to what we want it to be.
But then again, we all have in our minds a timetable that we think a project would be completed in, so maybe we, as fans, are pushing the rumors to what we want it to be.
Buried20KLeague
Well-Known Member
I'm not discounting what Yoyo said at all, and he's been quite knowledgable in the past, but...
Lee? Martin? Can either of you back up this unhappy news about Space???
I'm trying not to get too worked up about this until we hear it from 2 or 3 different reliable sources... Just in case.
I'm praying someone maybe heard something wrong or something.
Lee? Martin? Can either of you back up this unhappy news about Space???
I'm trying not to get too worked up about this until we hear it from 2 or 3 different reliable sources... Just in case.
I'm praying someone maybe heard something wrong or something.
PhilharMagician
Well-Known Member
None of this makes sense for a 6 - 7 month rehab. It is too late to cut back at this point. If Space was in fact going down next year for a complete track replacement, the track would have been ordered by now. The new ride cars would most likely been ordered. 8 months away from a large project like that has many things already in process contracts have been signed and schedules have been made.
Now April 09' - Nov 10' makes sense in that it is 18 months which is what was rumored before. Then open just before the holidays in 2010.
Buried20KLeague
Well-Known Member
Just a thought...
We were originally thinking it would be down a year. Now Yoyo is saying it sounds more like 6 months.
Is it possible that the plan before was to do all the work during "normal" working days, but now they've decided to work on it 'round the clock to cut way down on the overall required down time?
I could see management being able to rationalize the extra cost of additional shifts to cut the down time way back and allow for Space to be open for the Spring Break rush, then completed in time for the 09 Holidays... :shrug: Maybe they're quite aware and worried about the negative reaction the common visitor will have when they vacation to WDW to find out SM is closed for a full year?
This is certainly a more appealing reasoning than the other option... That the budget has been scaled way back and we won't get a lot of what this rumored refurb was supposed to bring.
We were originally thinking it would be down a year. Now Yoyo is saying it sounds more like 6 months.
Is it possible that the plan before was to do all the work during "normal" working days, but now they've decided to work on it 'round the clock to cut way down on the overall required down time?
I could see management being able to rationalize the extra cost of additional shifts to cut the down time way back and allow for Space to be open for the Spring Break rush, then completed in time for the 09 Holidays... :shrug: Maybe they're quite aware and worried about the negative reaction the common visitor will have when they vacation to WDW to find out SM is closed for a full year?
This is certainly a more appealing reasoning than the other option... That the budget has been scaled way back and we won't get a lot of what this rumored refurb was supposed to bring.
Kristilovesdw
Member
I agree, totally understand and pardon the stupid question I'm about to ask, but couldn't a lot of the refurb be things done off property? I mean, could the cars for example already been designed and made in a warehouse nearby or if the ride is getting new music, already been done? Those are small things I know, but couldn't a new track (same layout) be put together inside the existing building in 7 months? Again, I understand I'm making it sound easier than it probably is but I'm just curious...
PhilharMagician
Well-Known Member
Just a thought...
We were originally thinking it would be down a year. Now Yoyo is saying it sounds more like 6 months.
Is it possible that the plan before was to do all the work during "normal" working days, but now they've decided to work on it 'round the clock to cut way down on the overall required down time?
I could see management being able to rationalize the extra cost of additional shifts to cut the down time way back and allow for Space to be open for the Spring Break rush, then completed in time for the 09 Holidays... :shrug: Maybe they're quite aware and worried about the negative reaction the common visitor will have when they vacation to WDW to find out SM is closed for a full year?
This is certainly a more appealing reasoning than the other option... That the budget has been scaled way back and we won't get a lot of what this rumored refurb was supposed to bring.
DL's was down for 2 years with only one track to deal with.
Iceviper123
Member
Of course it could be Apr. '09 - Nov. '10.
:shrug:
But thanks.
Thats what I was thinking maybe it will close in Apr 2009 and open Nov 2010.
:shrug:
Yes, there are quite a few things that can be done off site and most of those things are already done off site. Track is built off site as well as the cars. What complicates things is all the little x-factors that come into play with a major rufurb like this. First and foremost the size of track pieces must be designed to fit through a rather small space. A track section that in a new build might be able to be done in one section now might have to be broken up into 5. That makes 5 more pieces to the puzzle and 5 more things that can go wrong. On top of that you can have somewhat unpredictable site conditions that can throw a monkey wrench in even the best laid plans.
If the dates are correct one of two things has happened. Either the refurb has been scaled back or by some miracle of prefabrication and time management they have figured out how to cram an originally planned 18 month refurb into 6.
MousDad
New Member
Or
3) Let's state the downtime initially at 8 months even though we know it's going to take longer. We can always extend it later. That way we won't be getting calls from people complaining about an 18 month downtime for at least 8 months.
wickedfan07
Member
Just a thought...
We were originally thinking it would be down a year. Now Yoyo is saying it sounds more like 6 months.
Is it possible that the plan before was to do all the work during "normal" working days, but now they've decided to work on it 'round the clock to cut way down on the overall required down time?
I could see management being able to rationalize the extra cost of additional shifts to cut the down time way back and allow for Space to be open for the Spring Break rush, then completed in time for the 09 Holidays... :shrug: Maybe they're quite aware and worried about the negative reaction the common visitor will have when they vacation to WDW to find out SM is closed for a full year?
This is certainly a more appealing reasoning than the other option... That the budget has been scaled way back and we won't get a lot of what this rumored refurb was supposed to bring.
I guess that's possible. I don't really know.
I thought DL's was down that long because management wasn't prepared to fix it as soon as it finally broke. (I don't know the details of what happened there. Anything I've ever read abot it skirted around the details, but made it clear it was pretty bad, whatever it was.) I think the long closure was because they had no plans for fixing it and suddenly needed to start a refurb they weren't planning on. In other words, the ride was closed for the pre-construction process, too. Here, that lead-time design work should already be in process, as someone stated earlier.
I do agree with you though, having two track in the mountain could pose a problem for cinstruction scheduling. (That is unless we are going to wind up with one long track at the end.)
EDIT:
That's probably the most likely thing out of all the scnearios, unfortunately.
Well that is always a possibility.:lol:
Buried20KLeague
Well-Known Member
That's true, but DL's customer base is different than WDW's... MANY more AP holders, and the majority is a local customer base. Locals who frequent the park would probably be more tolerant of a situation like that.
WDW's majority of customers aren't local... They're vacationers. Some of which consider WDW a once in a lifetime trip. I could see many more complaints coming from that kind of group than DL's.
Plus... DL's wasn't down two years voluntarily. It was closed unexpectedly and overnight. They didn't CHOOSE to have it down that long.
It wouldn't have been down that long if track had been ordered months ahead of time, and the refurb planned for in detail. They literally had to put orders in for the parts AFTER the ride closed to the public.
RiversideBunny
New Member
It could be that the overall SM project will take about a year, including the planning, designing, and ordering of parts, etc., but the amount of time that the attraction has to be actually closed is shorter.
firemandisney
New Member
:ROFLOL:
Lets see: Disney posts much larger profits than ANYONE expected, Exceeding the street by close to 8%.
Attendence is up in a so called "slow economy"
I think their financial plans are not only straight but spot on.
They have done GREAT refurbs on attractions for the last few years both at M.K. and D.L. The shareholders and tourists are apparently VERY VERY happy with Disney right now. We are heading down to Fl. for a week visit.
Im very exited to go. alot of folks have commented just how clean the parks are and if they are anything like 2 years ago (last visit) they will be immaculate.
As for S.M. being closed for a shorter time than expected...It will take much less time to do the same project as D.L. for alot of reasons. Mainly because when D.L. space closed they hadnt even really started the engineering part of the project yet. It took 6 months too long to finish due to an abrupt start.
firemandisney
New Member
My god... if he actually did it....
It isn`t down to budget.
:fork::fork::fork::fork:
Madhatter06
Member
One of these days I'll ride that flume! And none of these annual rehabs will have made a difference from what people have said! :lol: