Mission: SPACE testing a "no G Force" version of the experience

Pongo

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dxer07002 said:
And if you don't want to ride the lite version, don't... I mean really, why complain about this move.. (Becasue Disney can do better. I would fully accept a solution that at least rivaled sitting on my couch in terms of thrills and fun. All this is is a quick-fix. Once people realize they're just sitting in a box watching a television, they're going to wonder why Disney wasted their money and resources.) Disney knows they have a ride that didn't live up to the hype, maybe because it made a lot of people sick, and now, they are doing the right thing by trying to bring bodies into the ride... I don't see why this is a bad thing.. (I agree with you here, more riders need to be brought on, but there are other ways to maximize attendance at the pavilion without underutilizing what they have.) If you want to ride the "thrill" part of it, you have the CHOICE to ride it... Correct?? So stop complaining and give this a chance.. Geez.. they aren't tearing out your beloved M:S... (I disagree not because I don't want to ride it, but because I don't think others will. People say M:S as it is now has no repeatability. This will be a million times less repeatable what with the key ingredient missing.)

My thoughts in red :wave:
 

Captain Chaos

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Pongo, I understand what you are saying... I see what everyone is saying.. And understand it completely...

I think Disney chose the best course to handle M:S... They are giving those who love the ride the same experience, and they are giving those who cannot or will not ride M:S the chance to.. Even if it is dumbed down...

I just think a lot of people are jumping to conclusions about this being watered down.. No one knows the kind of experience we will get on the lite version... Only time will tell... Just like all the M:S supports yelling we shouldn't jumo to conclusions about the causes of deaths, we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions that the lite version would suck... Personally, i thought the thrill version sucked... Let's hold off judgement until AFTER the new version is open and see what people think of it then..

But, I can already see the writing on the wall.. Half of you on here who love MS as it is now will complain how bad the lite version is, and the other half who hates the current edition of MS will brag how great the lite version is... Still, this is a win/win all around... Until proven otherwise...
 

Pongo

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dxer07002 said:
Pongo, I understand what you are saying... I see what everyone is saying.. And understand it completely...

I think Disney chose the best course to handle M:S... They are giving those who love the ride the same experience, and they are giving those who cannot or will not ride M:S the chance to.. Even if it is dumbed down...

I just think a lot of people are jumping to conclusions about this being watered down.. No one knows the kind of experience we will get on the lite version... Only time will tell... Just like all the M:S supports yelling we shouldn't jumo to conclusions about the causes of deaths, we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions that the lite version would suck... Personally, i thought the thrill version sucked... Let's hold off judgement until AFTER the new version is open and see what people think of it then..

But, I can already see the writing on the wall.. Half of you on here who love MS as it is now will complain how bad the lite version is, and the other half who hates the current edition of MS will brag how great the lite version is... Still, this is a win/win all around... Until proven otherwise...

But we DO know what they're going to do. They're making it so that the centrifuge no longer spins for Green. So it's basically going to be a box that tilts a little bit.

I'm not putting this down solely because I like Mission: Space. I putting this down because I think it's a poor decision. It's a waste of a good idea. They should be coming up with other ways to make the Mission: Space pavilion better for everyone. There are other ways.
 

imagineer99

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Pongo said:
But we DO know what they're going to do. They're making it so that the centrifuge no longer spins for Green. So it's basically going to be a box that tilts a little bit.

I'm not putting this down solely because I like Mission: Space. I putting this down because I think it's a poor decision. It's a waste of a good idea. They should be coming up with other ways to make the Mission: Space pavilion better for everyone. There are other ways.

Exactly. Does anyone actually feel that the toned down version will be "fun?" I'd rather have no option than a craptacular option.
 

MickeyTigg

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Pongo said:
But we DO know what they're going to do. They're making it so that the centrifuge no longer spins for Green. So it's basically going to be a box that tilts a little bit.

I'm not putting this down solely because I like Mission: Space. I putting this down because I think it's a poor decision. It's a waste of a good idea. They should be coming up with other ways to make the Mission: Space pavilion better for everyone. There are other ways.

Like what? I don't see how you can get anything valuable from the pavilion if you don't go on the ride. Playing video games is not getting anything meaningful out of the pavilion.

This was a great decision by Disney....it will increase the ridership. I'm not even sure it will decrease the medical call all that much. The only way it will do that would be if there were people getting on M:S that knew they'd get ill but went on anyway.

This will get a good portion of the people that were too scared to ride the attraction.

A very good move.
 

MickeyTigg

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imagineer99 said:
Exactly. Does anyone actually feel that the toned down version will be "fun?" I'd rather have no option than a craptacular option.

Then don't go on the toned down version....it's only one of the centrifuges. You act like everyone is getting the toned down version.

Why not do something meaningful and start an online petition site....that worked real well for Toad and 20K didn't it.
 

Captain Chaos

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We only know they are shutting off the spinning taking away the g-s.. we DON'T know if they are adding any other effects or movements to the capsule itself to make up for the lack of spinning.... Now, if Disney shut the ride down completely, what would the outcry be?? I99 just said he would rather nothing at all that this lite version... You don't have to ride the lite version.. You still have your full version... I still can't see why you M:S lovers are complaining.. You aren't losing the ride.. You are losing one bay...
 

Pongo

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TiggerRPh said:
Like what? I don't see how you can get anything valuable from the pavilion if you don't go on the ride. Playing video games is not getting anything meaningful out of the pavilion.

This was a great decision by Disney....it will increase the ridership. I'm not even sure it will decrease the medical call all that much. The only way it will do that would be if there were people getting on M:S that knew they'd get ill but went on anyway.

This will get a good portion of the people that were too scared to ride the attraction.

A very good move.

Someone sugested building a dark ride about human space travel. That would be a welcome addition to the pavilion. I don't know what Disney could do to improve attendance at the M:S pavilion. It's WDI's job to think of that. It's not their job to just turn a key part of an attraction off. At least that's how I see it.

I just hope this toned-down version won't stay for long. I hope it's a temporary solution to a problem that will be fixed in the future.

Just because one centrifuge's spinning is shut off doesn't mean that the avoidance of future sickness and/or casualties is guaranteed. Both times someone has died on M:S was because of a condition neither of them know about. People will be getting on the real version of M:S not knowing that they have pre-existing conditions every day. They won't go on the toned-down version because they think they can handle the real version.

The toned-down centrifuge really isn't going to solve anything but the attendance woes, which could be fixed with a better solution. WDI is better than this.
 

Pongo

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dxer07002 said:
We only know they are shutting off the spinning taking away the g-s.. we DON'T know if they are adding any other effects or movements to the capsule itself to make up for the lack of spinning.... Now, if Disney shut the ride down completely, what would the outcry be?? I99 just said he would rather nothing at all that this lite version... You don't have to ride the lite version.. You still have your full version... I still can't see why you M:S lovers are complaining.. You aren't losing the ride.. You are losing one bay...

I realize I'm not losing the real version. I'm sympathetic for the people that are ripped off thinking they will go on an amazing ride and get nothing but a box with televisions.

If they're not going to use the centrifuge, take it out and put something at least worthwhile there.
 

pax_65

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dxer07002 said:
So stop complaining and give this a chance..

I'm not complaining. I said that I understood why Disney was doing it. They want to bring in more people to the attraction and give people more choices. In my opinion it sounds like the toned-down ride would be too "lite" an experience to make it worthwhile, but I agree it's too early to judge.

In any event, it doesn't affect me. I'll continue to ride the full MS experience once or twice on every trip. It's actually not one of my favorite rides because I don't think it has that "repeatability" factor as others have mentioned. I would also like to see them tweak MS to allow for different experiences on every ride. Think along the lines of Tower of Terror - every ride has a random drop sequence. It would be cool if the MS program could have random elements to it so you never knew what was coming next... or maybe greater interactivity so that actions of the crew would cause different things to happen... or a different ending based on what the crew would select - ironically sort of like what they used to have on Horizons.
 

Captain Chaos

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pax_65 said:
I'm not complaining. I said that I understood why Disney was doing it. They want to bring in more people to the attraction and give people more choices. In my opinion it sounds like the toned-down ride would be too "lite" an experience to make it worthwhile, but I agree it's too early to judge.

In any event, it doesn't affect me. I'll continue to ride the full MS experience once or twice on every trip. It's actually not one of my favorite rides because I don't think it has that "repeatability" factor as others have mentioned. I would also like to see them tweak MS to allow for different experiences on every ride. Think along the lines of Tower of Terror - every ride has a random drop sequence. It would be cool if the MS program could have random elements to it so you never knew what was coming next... or maybe greater interactivity so that actions of the crew would cause different things to happen... or a different ending based on what the crew would select - ironically sort of like what they used to have on Horizons.

I agree about the repeatability factor.. it sucked to me, not worth riding again... I think this is a good first step.. Who knows what will come next.. Maybe there will be a super space pavilion with a dark ride.. that way, they can run M:S in the version they intended and yet give people who won't ride MS because of what ever reasons the chance to still enjoy a ride about space...
 

imagineer99

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dxer07002 said:
I99 just said he would rather nothing at all that this lite version... You don't have to ride the lite version.. You still have your full version... I still can't see why you M:S lovers are complaining.. You aren't losing the ride.. You are losing one bay...

It's not my enjoyment that I'm concerned about. I have no plans of riding a "broken" version of M:S. My issue is the original intention. The ride wasn't "intended" to be ridden without g-forces. Just as Space Moutain isn't intended to be ridden with the lights on. In turn, there will be a large population of riders that will experience something, that for lack of a better word, is edited for a larger audience.

As I said, I'd rather have those riders experience nothing, than something that is definitely lacking or not up to what it should be.

I know M:S isn't a perfect attraction. As a simulator, it lacks that reride factor. Also, the interactivity is merely half of what it could be. Take away that awesome g-force sensation and you have a motion simulator that is less fun than Star Tours.
 

Pongo

New Member
imagineer99 said:
It's not my enjoyment that I'm concerned about. I have no plans of riding a "broken" version of M:S. My issue is the original intention. The ride wasn't "intended" to be ridden without g-forces. Just as Space Moutain isn't intended to be ridden with the lights on. In turn, there will be a large population of riders that will experience something, that for lack of a better word, is edited for a larger audience.

As I said, I'd rather have those riders experience nothing, than something that is definitely lacking or not up to what it should be.

:sohappy: Well said.

You took the words right out of my brain.
 

MAF

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Does anyone honestly believe that making this tamer version will actually increase rerideability, because that is the real problem at hand....
 

kcnole

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As I said, I'd rather have those riders experience nothing, than something that is definitely lacking or not up to what it should be.

Why don't you let those of us who do want to see the tamer version make that choice. If I choose to ride a tamed down version without all the effects that is my choice. If it's not effecting your ride at all why all the outcry. Personally I'd rather get a tamer no g's version than no ride at all. If there is a way that it can be done without effecting everybody elses enjoyment then they should do it.

I don't want to seem them tear down the area and build something else. I don't want those of you who love the original version to lose your ride. I just want to be able to enjoy a portion of it myself.

There's no way they're going to build a dark ride right now. They don't have the money and too many other areas need the money than the MS pavillion does. If they can find a cost efficient way to do it, then that's what they should do. I'd rather see them put there money into fixing Imaginaiton, WoL, and UoE than tearing down MS and putting something new there.
 

Captain Chaos

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imagineer99 said:
As I said, I'd rather have those riders experience nothing, than something that is definitely lacking or not up to what it should be.

No offense and disrespect, but, that is thankfully not your decision to make.. I am glad Disney if offering a choice... and if it fails, at least they tried... it is succeeds, then everyone is happy...

And yes, let those who want to ride a lite version decide if it is lacking or if it worthwhile...
 

Pongo

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kcnole said:
Why don't you let those of us who do want to see the tamer version make that choice. If I choose to ride a tamed down version without all the effects that is my choice. If it's not effecting your ride at all why all the outcry. Personally I'd rather get a tamer no g's version than no ride at all. If there is a way that it can be done without effecting everybody elses enjoyment then they should do it.

I don't want to seem them tear down the area and build something else. I don't want those of you who love the original version to lose your ride. I just want to be able to enjoy a portion of it myself.

There's no way they're going to build a dark ride right now. They don't have the money and too many other areas need the money than the MS pavillion does. If they can find a cost efficient way to do it, then that's what they should do. I'd rather see them put there money into fixing Imaginaiton, WoL, and UoE than tearing down MS and putting something new there.

Just because I won't ride the tamed down version doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on it. I think it's a bad idea whether I'll ride it or not.

I see this as a cop out. This is not a sufficient substitute for the real Mission: Space. I don't think that's possible. But another attraction that incorporates everyone is possible. I understand that Disney isn't going to build that now. That's why I said I hope this solution is just temporary.

I have to agree with Timmay. This ride is not for everyone, and those who can't ride it shouldn't be spiteful about it. Disney has tons of attractions that are geared toward a certain audience. They aren't making alternate versions of those in order to allow everyone to ride. I don't see a verion of Playhouse Disney - Live on Stage! that incorporates fire and stunts for the teenagers. Maybe Disney should create an alternate show so that teenagers can enjoy it.

No. It doesn't work that way.
 

dxwwf3

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Pongo said:
They aren't making alternate versions of those in order to allow everyone to ride. I don't see a verion of Playhouse Disney - Live on Stage! that incorporates fire and stunts for the teenagers. Maybe Disney should create an alternate show so that teenagers can enjoy it.

:sohappy:
 

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