luv
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It was so horrible. I'm glad they're back on top of their game.
But it's too late for me. I've had enough "uninstall and reinstall" for one lifetime!
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microsoft dropping windows xp
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But it's too late for me. I've had enough "uninstall and reinstall" for one lifetime!
Clever Name
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Some of us never dealt with Vista. We stayed with XP until 7 came out. We also avoided the horror show that was Windows ME (Mistake Edition)!It was so horrible. I'm glad they're back on top of their game.
But it's too late for me. I've had enough "uninstall and reinstall" for one lifetime!
Dealt with all of those. Vista was no big deal as it was just on my daughters two computers. They did far more harm than Vista could ever dream of. ME on the other hand was on half a dozen work machines. XP was a downright savior.
Clever Name
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I prefer to have a media center PC hooked up to my entertainment system. I have a TV tuner card built in so I can record all TV shows to a hard disk (in high definition) and then burn Blu-ray discs or transfer the shows to other hard drives in my network to archive and/or watch later.Oooh, so clever!
That's why I have a Blu-ray player - attached to my home entertainment system... Where it belongs.
I have all of my music, photographs and DVD's stored on my main computer (with regular backups) and I can stream those to my entertainment center at will. Blu-rays don't stream well over my network so I store those on the 10 TB's of hard drive space I currently have on the entertainment center PC.
In addition to the PC, I also have a separate media player that I can use also. My television is a 55" Samsung LED and it has it's own built-in media player as well. It will play music, photos and any video from its USB port. The various media players will handle any video file type.
Apple would like us to think that CD's, DVD's and Blu-ray discs are legacy technology and that all media should now be downloaded. The fallacy in that thinking is that the downloaded media is generally much more expensive. Since I still have optical drives, I can shop for my media and find the least expensive version. If a download is cheaper, I'll buy it.
It has been my experience that physical media is still king and much less expensive. For example, iTunes has the 1951 Disney classic Alice In Wonderland to download for $14.99. Yet, I'm sure you know, the same title is readily available as a DVD for $9.99 (including shipping). Used DVD. CD and Blu-ray disks are dirt cheap on eBay and other sources.
Why should I pay a higher price for a download when I can purchase a DVD, CD or a Blu-ray and burn it to disk myself?
danlb_2000
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Something worth mentioning... the public drop of support does not have to affect any large corporation at all...
The Fortune 500 Chemical Company that I retired from paid for "extended support" for a good three years after Windows NT was dropped. It works this way... MS wants the money, the corporation doesn't want to move... everyone is happy (well, except the corporate end users).
Actually, the public support ended for XP a couple years ago, the 2014 date in the end of the extended support period.
Clever Name
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Microsoft's lifecycle policy has always been subject to change. They extended the lifecycle support for Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows Millennium.
To quote Microsoft:
"Will Microsoft also consider making this change for other products?Microsoft does not currently plan to make any additional adjustments for other products. However, we listen to our customers on all topics, including our support lifecycle policies."
What problems have you got with Mountain Lion? We've got several machines running that, zero problems. By far the best OS I've ever used.
Well for Apple it is about iTunes and digital downloads. Blu Ray is a piece of plastic that will ultimately become unavailable, as will the players, and you will be left with a collection of drink coasters.
The main one I had to deal with was display issues with the Retina Display. The zooming is lethargic, some parts of the text fields did not refresh in Safari, the cursors sometimes disappear, animated GIFs get garbled frequently, and there were video issues with Quicktime.
I have heard of various others issues as well, but only had the one Mac to deal with.
I do not think Blu Ray is going anywhere for quite some time. The simple reality is that streaming an uncompressed blu-ray requires about 25-35 mbs. Sure you can compress the signal and get under that, but you will take a quality hit to do so. Downloading is a possibility, but it will take a good deal of room. Your average movie on blu-ray is in the 20-22 GB range. Add bonus material and you can easily be in the 30-40 GB range or more. That would put a movie collection of just 200 movies at about 5-6 TB. Doable but not common. Storage will catch up, but so will 4k resolution and them we are right back were we started.
NowInc
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My concern with both Windows AND OSX is that they are pushing forward with "Tablet Interfaces". OSX is already shifting towards an iOS look (in fact developers from OSX have been re-allocated to iOS..which I can't blame them as its the cash cow), and we all saw what windows 8 looks like. As part of my job I use both platforms in tandem all day (PC for my 3D Suites as well as the Adobe suite...which runs FAR faster on PC than on the MAC platform), and my MAC for Keynote (Use it once and you'll never go back to powerpoint) for client pitches, and for Logic. ALL the applications I use do NOT benefit from a "touch" interface, and I fear that in the future I won't have a choice. I don't mind "the cloud" so much (using Carbonite, Dropbox, And Google Drive), but I do not see that the world is ready to ditch physical media (90% of my clients deliver us assets via DVD/Bluray, very few have adapted to online methods).
Honestly..and this may sound REALLY out there to some of you, They should really start investing in a true *nix system...they can code their own software cheaper than they realize. As I side project I have been working with a Raspberry pi (a cheap ($50~) credit card sized linux ARM PC), and the power that thing has is impressive...AND its super easy to work with. I know they aren't about to re-do an entire network (and I don't blame them), but moving forward it would be nice if they could plan future additions around a more stable sysetem (both Windows and OSX are resource monsters and thus instabilities)
Honestly..and this may sound REALLY out there to some of you, They should really start investing in a true *nix system...they can code their own software cheaper than they realize. As I side project I have been working with a Raspberry pi (a cheap ($50~) credit card sized linux ARM PC), and the power that thing has is impressive...AND its super easy to work with. I know they aren't about to re-do an entire network (and I don't blame them), but moving forward it would be nice if they could plan future additions around a more stable sysetem (both Windows and OSX are resource monsters and thus instabilities)
DocMcHulk
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Plus, the digital downloads are VERY DRM restricted. Bought it on iTunes... yep, cant use it on your Android or Windows phone. I refer to have the DVD, rip it to a plain MP4 and I can pu ti ton anything. I'll never publicly share it. It's not meant for redistribution. It's for my own personal use.
What retina machine have you got?
At work here we have a 15" MacBook Pro Retina and a 13" Macbook Pro Retina. (the 15" is my daily work machine). Both absolutely gorgeous displays - miles ahead of any Windows or Mac display I have ever seen. The only issue I have seen with scrolling is if you use the onboard Intel GPU rather than the dedicated GPU. It is a selectable option, so I am guessing that you might have yours set to the integrated GPU. For me the 15" Retina MacBook Pro is the best computer out there. The combination of that hardware with Mountain Lion is basically my ideal machine - I really struggle to fault it. The points above are non-issues.
I am somewhat starting to understand the gripe my mother had regarding GUI. She came from the command driven age of computers and hated using a mouse. Ditching the human interface devices seems to be the way things are going.
luv
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I have had exactly two problems with Apple...and both are iPad issues.
1. No flash. This was a big problem when they first came out, but hasn't been an issue for me in quite a while.
2. No smilies on WDWMagic. This is a major annoyance, but I'm living with it because it beats the alternative.
That's it. The words "uninstall and reinstall" have never come up.
1. No flash. This was a big problem when they first came out, but hasn't been an issue for me in quite a while.
2. No smilies on WDWMagic. This is a major annoyance, but I'm living with it because it beats the alternative.
That's it. The words "uninstall and reinstall" have never come up.
If I am not mistaken it was a maxed out 15" MacBook Pro that one of my salesman had for his personal computer. Fortunately I do not have to deal with them on a day to day basis. Trying the remember the eccentricities of about 6 different versions of windows is enough for me.
The screen resolution is an off thing. For what ever reason, manufacturers just stopped producing monitors that went past 1920x1080. Even my last CRT that I had would do 2048x1536. 4ks are starting to hit the market. With any luck, it will not be long before that is the standard for computer monitors.
What is this "uninstall and reinstall" problem you keep bringing up? I have 5 PC's at the house and another 6 at the office and about the only time I have to uninstall and re-install anything is on the rare occasion that I get a bad driver or a piece of outdated software.I have had exactly two problems with Apple...and both are iPad issues.
1. No flash. This was a big problem when they first came out, but hasn't been an issue for me in quite a while.
2. No smilies on WDWMagic. This is a major annoyance, but I'm living with it because it beats the alternative.
That's it. The words "uninstall and reinstall" have never come up.
He had some issues with his setup - that experience is not a representation of that machine. The 15" retina MacBook Pro is an absolute power house. I can run Final Cut Pro with four uncompressed 1080p videos on screen at the same, and do real time editing on all 4 clips. It is absolutely incredible that you can do this on a laptop.
BoarderPhreak
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My main machine is a 2006 Mac Pro (which granted, I've upgraded a little over the years) and it's still doing a bang-up job. Though I do believe I'll be upgrading it this year once the new ones are announced. Not that I have to, but I want to.
My other workhorse is a 2008 17" MBP - which I've upgraded as much as possible with both SSD and 6GB of RAM (all it can take). It has the hi-rez screen (1980x1200) option. Not the most portable laptop, but all things considered it's very sweet. Shame they dropped the 17" model.
I guess my point is, you get your money's worth out of Apple products. If you can resist the desire to upgrade, a machine will serve you for a long, long time. Somehow with Windows, you always had to upgrade every couple of years for Windows to feel anything sort of "snappy."
My other workhorse is a 2008 17" MBP - which I've upgraded as much as possible with both SSD and 6GB of RAM (all it can take). It has the hi-rez screen (1980x1200) option. Not the most portable laptop, but all things considered it's very sweet. Shame they dropped the 17" model.
I guess my point is, you get your money's worth out of Apple products. If you can resist the desire to upgrade, a machine will serve you for a long, long time. Somehow with Windows, you always had to upgrade every couple of years for Windows to feel anything sort of "snappy."
NowInc
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I have had exactly two problems with Apple...and both are iPad issues.
1. No flash. This was a big problem when they first came out, but hasn't been an issue for me in quite a while.
2. No smilies on WDWMagic. This is a major annoyance, but I'm living with it because it beats the alternative.
That's it. The words "uninstall and reinstall" have never come up.
Flash on a mobile platform is not just an apple (ipad) only thing...its no longer supported on Android either. Its old (buggy) technology thats quickly being replaced by HTML5...thankfully.
It was apparently a common problem with the Mountain Lion upgrade. As with most computer problems. Mac, PC, whatever, the first step in solving it is googling it and seeing what others have done.
The hardware in a MacBook Pro is impressive, but it can be matched save for the Retina Display for less.
You can do the same with PC products. The laptop my wife runs is right at 10 years old. I was able to upgrade the RAM and HD and it runs Win 7 just fine. I will not be producing blu-rays or playing Battlefield 4 on it anything soon, but it still works great for your everyday internet, email, office stuff.
In the end it comes down to the user. I can not tell you how many machines I run into that are just full to the brim with crap. Many are brought back to life with a format and reinstall of the OS. I do that on my own computers about every 18-24 months almost as a matter of house keeping.