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microsoft dropping windows xp

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
I think this is where people get the wrong device. The iPad (and all the clones) are just like big iPhones, but for the vast majority of users, all they need to do is email, web, social, and some apps - and on a larger screen than their phone. In these cases an iPad gets the job done perfectly. For those that are doing content creation, or really need a specific piece of software and a keyboard, a full on laptop is the way to go. I think this is why Surface is not gaining any traction. A laptop is a better buy for those that need a full machine, and an iPad is a cheaper, and better tablet format machine.
I would agree. Personally, I just don't care for the tablet form factor if any real typing is involved. That is one of the reasons why I like the Surface Pro. The keyboard cover makes typing some thing longer than a web search or a facebook post much more comfortable and turns it into a usable computer vs a couch computer.
 

wdwstateofmind

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...and how can an OS thats less than 6 months old be considered a failure?
A majority of the computer market is not touch screen devices yet regardless of what they want the future to be (desktop tablets never took off and portable tablets are getting there)...forcing the Metro UI on a mouse user is by far the most inconvenient thing ever...additionally, most business machines are on older versions and companies aren't switching over to touch tablets anytime soon either...

but you're right, it's not a failure if you consider developers hating it, win7 users not migrating, and the other nightmare scenarios occurring for the platform as being successful...
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
A majority of the computer market is not touch screen devices yet regardless of what they want the future to be (desktop tablets never took off and portable tablets are getting there)...forcing the Metro UI on a mouse user is by far the most inconvenient thing ever...additionally, most business machines are on older versions and companies aren't switching over to touch tablets anytime soon either...

but you're right, it's not a failure if you consider developers hating it, win7 users not migrating, and the other nightmare scenarios occurring for the platform as being successful...
Where did I hear that before....Oh yeah. People said the same thing when XP launched. You know, the most successful computer OS in human history.

http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8-is-the-new-xp-7000006095/
 

wdwstateofmind

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Where did I hear that before....Oh yeah. People said the same thing when XP launched. You know, the most successful computer OS in human history.

http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8-is-the-new-xp-7000006095/
You can look up the sales figures and compare them to Vista and 7, they speak for the commercial failure....
You can google developers opinions on Windows 8 and read for yourself, they will show the development failure...
You can visit any tech forum and get the similar opinion from other nerds as well...

ZDNet also said the Playstation Vita was going to be a success and the Nintendo 3DS a failure at one point...how'd that work out?
 

NowInc

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A majority of the computer market is not touch screen devices yet regardless of what they want the future to be (desktop tablets never took off and portable tablets are getting there)...forcing the Metro UI on a mouse user is by far the most inconvenient thing ever...additionally, most business machines are on older versions and companies aren't switching over to touch tablets anytime soon either...

but you're right, it's not a failure if you consider developers hating it, win7 users not migrating, and the other nightmare scenarios occurring for the platform as being successful...


Apple has also been "pushing" toward a touch friendly interface for the desktops as well..in fact they did it first with the launchpad they introduced 2 versions ago...and I'm willing to bet its going to be more and more on the "front line" sooner than later on that platform as well...but I guess when they do it, it will be considered "innovative".

The tech industry as a whole move together in similar directions (How many people called "cloud computing" stupid when it was first introduced as an idea by Microsoft, but now its all most companies strive for)..and the touch interface (which I agree..is not really something I feel is intuitive enough for desktops).

Migration to windows 7 took a very long time as well...would you consider that a failure? Personally I have found very few non-biased based negative opinions on it at all. Am I a fan of Windows 8 personally? No. But it's also not geared towards me. OS makers are constantly trying to make things easier for the "everyday user"...sometimes its hard for people to remember that not that many people are actually tech savvy.

Nightmare scenario? A simple google search for "Windows 8 reviews" brings up a very long list of overwhelmingly positive reviews on it, and a big majority of the complaints that people DID bring up, are rumored to be getting fixed in the "blue" update. Smells like a real failure to me!
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
You can look up the sales figures and compare them to Vista and 7, they speak for the commercial failure....
You can google developers opinions on Windows 8 and read for yourself, they will show the development failure...
You can visit any tech forum and get the similar opinion from other nerds as well...

ZDNet also said the Playstation Vita was going to be a success and the Nintendo 3DS a failure at one point...how'd that work out?
We can both go back and forth quoting this guy and the next until the cows come home. The reality is that unforced take up of a new OS has always been slow especially on a business side. We just went from XP to Windows 7 less than a month ago and we are far from the last to do so in my industry.

The reality is that Windows 8 is a good OS with an egregious marketing error. They should have had a simple option for a desktop/touch screen interface. That being said, I use the Metro interface with a mouse and it works just fine. It took me a week or two to get use to zigging vs zaging, but I now fly through it as easy as I do XP, Vista or 7.
 

NowInc

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It was Steam being afraid of being muscled out. Microsoft isnt dumb, they KNOW gaming is a HUGE selling point for their OS and wouldn't sabotage themselves like that.
 

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
No
I agree, after having owned both a 7 and an 8, I don't understand why it's getting such a bad rep. It's definitely faster than my 7 ever was and it booted up in 30 seconds a few minutes ago. Plus my Windows 7 would crash, and then I would have to run diagnostics to get it working again. The ones at school have this issue as well. The Windows 8 has yet to crash. I also like the Netflix app for streaming and the full screen Chrome. The app store is wonderful. Now instead of searching online for a program, I just look in the app store. It needs to expand, though, as Apple's app store has more apps.

And you can make due without the start bar. It was disconcerting at first, but now it's fine. I pin everything to the taskbar or create a shortcut anyway. Don't really miss it.
 

StarWarsGirl

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
From what I have experienced, most tablets are just big phones that don't make calls. The Surface Pro is the first one that I have used that feels like an almost legitimate laptop replacement. If you can I would wait. The sluggish sales should result in a price drop.
Yeah, I was planning on waiting anyway because then all of the companies start with the college student sales over the summer, and I'll need to get my ID before I start. I'm just starting to get input from those who are knowledgeable about technology. I don't really want it as a "second laptop" as much as I want it for an ereader, notepad, and occasional web browser. For longer papers, I definitely prefer a laptop (a desktop works too, but I like working on the couch). Last year, our publications lab got taken over by standardized testing, and the newspaper staff were forced to work on netbooks. After about three days with it, I asked my teacher if I could throw it out the window and then take an axe to it. This taught me never to get anything smaller than 14-15 inches for my main computer. Also never to get a netbook. But a touch screen tablet wouldn't be so bad. On the occasions where I've borrowed my mom's iPad it hasn't been terrible, but my laptop is easier for web browsing and all. I would have to get a keyboard because it was frustrating typing on the touch screen.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
Yeah, I was planning on waiting anyway because then all of the companies start with the college student sales over the summer, and I'll need to get my ID before I start. I'm just starting to get input from those who are knowledgeable about technology. I don't really want it as a "second laptop" as much as I want it for an ereader, notepad, and occasional web browser. For longer papers, I definitely prefer a laptop (a desktop works too, but I like working on the couch). Last year, our publications lab got taken over by standardized testing, and the newspaper staff were forced to work on netbooks. After about three days with it, I asked my teacher if I could throw it out the window and then take an axe to it. This taught me never to get anything smaller than 14-15 inches for my main computer. Also never to get a netbook. But a touch screen tablet wouldn't be so bad. On the occasions where I've borrowed my mom's iPad it hasn't been terrible, but my laptop is easier for web browsing and all. I would have to get a keyboard because it was frustrating typing on the touch screen.
If that is all you want, save yourself a ton of cash and go with something like a Nook or a Kindle Fire. A 32 GB, add free, wifi Fire HD is around $315 and will do all of that. A 64 gb, add free, 4g lte fire HD comes in a little over $500 + data plan.
 

StarWarsGirl

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
If that is all you want, save yourself a ton of cash and go with something like a Nook or a Kindle Fire. A 32 GB, add free, wifi Fire HD is around $315 and will do all of that. A 64 gb, add free, 4g lte fire HD comes in a little over $500 + data plan.
Hmm..if I'm going to do that, may as well get an iPad mini. I looked into a Kindle, but I need it to support ePub files, which the kindle does not. I was thinking somewhat larger though since I would be doing math problems on it. Plus I know the iPad supports One Note, which then syncs to my laptop and iPod Touch.

No data. No need. There's wifi at home and on campus, so there's no need for me to pay for data I don't need.
 

lazyboy97o

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Hmm..if I'm going to do that, may as well get an iPad mini. I looked into a Kindle, but I need it to support ePub files, which the kindle does not. I was thinking somewhat larger though since I would be doing math problems on it. Plus I know the iPad supports One Note, which then syncs to my laptop and iPod Touch.

No data. No need. There's wifi at home and on campus, so there's no need for me to pay for data I don't need.
I love my iPad mini. A much better form factor than the iPad.
 

StarWarsGirl

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Mostly reading, be it textbooks, news articles or forums such as this. Occasionally I take some quick notes or play a game. I find it to be better than the iPad because I can more easily hold it with one hand. The smaller size also makes it easier to pack when going somewhere.
Thanks, I think my solution is going to be go to Best Buy one day and play with all of the tablets on the showroom floor and get some input from the sales people. There's this one salesperson there who sold my mom her iPad and my laptop to me and I trust to be honest without him just trying to make a sale. Thanks again.
 

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