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StarWarsGirl

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NowInc said:
Read this today to elaborate more on what I said regarding the whole not blaming windows 8 for pc sales declines:

Windows 8 sales performance, more analysis
An article on Computerworld yesterday quotes an analyst saying that the recent steep decline in PC sales wasn’t the fault of Windows 8. Stephen Baker of the NPD Group analysed data that his company collected for Q1 2013 and came to the conclusion “It wasn't about Windows 8, it was much more about the price challenges facing OEMs”. He added that“People want cheap touch devices, and that's where Windows 8 devices can't compete right now.”
Last week’s IDC report cited Windows 8 as a contributor to the slowdown in PC sales. However NPD say that the price of touch enabled hardware is the problem. Steven Baker said Apple Macs are also experiencing a similar downturn and “The market is flat, and no one is outperforming the others”.
Interestingly NPDs Mac sales data wasn’t in line with that collected by IDC and Gartner, there are 15 percentage points between the rival market research and analysis firms. However, as Computerworld reminds us, we will find out the true figures for first quarter Mac sales during Apple’s investor conference call on 23rd April.
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That's interesting. Thanks for sharing. I have a Windows 8 laptop. It runs pretty nicely and has some cool features, but like the article said, it's not touch because it's too expensive. For the same price as a basic touch laptop of the same size, I got a faster processor, more RAM, a larger hard drive, a backlit keyboard, and a fingerprint reader. Also, it's lighter. It took some getting used to, but I've adjusted to the new OS. My previous computer was a 7, and the desktop doesn't look that much different.

I was considering getting a Windows 8 tablet for college, but I'm not sure whether to go with that or an iPad. I'd be buying it myself, and although I can pay $1000 for a tablet (factor in keyboard, case, and other accessories), I don't exactly WANT to. Not when I can easily sync notes from One Note or Evernote from my tablet to my laptop and vice versa. If anyone has any thoughts or recommends a good tablet for students, I will gladly take any of your advice into consideration. :)
 
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StarWarsGirl95 said:
That's interesting. Thanks for sharing. I have a Windows 8 laptop. It runs pretty nicely and has some cool features, but like the article said, it's not touch because it's too expensive. For the same price as a basic touch laptop of the same size, I got a faster processor, more RAM, a larger hard drive, a backlit keyboard, and a fingerprint reader. Also, it's lighter. It took some getting used to, but I've adjusted to the new OS. My previous computer was a 7, and the desktop doesn't look that much different.

I was considering getting a Windows 8 tablet for college, but I'm not sure whether to go with that or an iPad. I'd be buying it myself, and although I can pay $1000 for a tablet (factor in keyboard, case, and other accessories), I don't exactly WANT to. Not when I can easily sync notes from One Note or Evernote from my tablet to my laptop and vice versa. If anyone has any thoughts or recommends a good tablet for students, I will gladly take any of your advice into consideration. :)
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If you already have a Windows 8 laptop I would go with the Surface Pro if you must get a tablet. That way you have the same OS on both devices which will typically mean no conflicts between the 2.
 
StarWarsGirl

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Master Yoda said:
If you already have a Windows 8 laptop I would go with the Surface Pro if you must get a tablet. That way you have the same OS on both devices which will typically mean no conflicts between the 2.
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Hmm...the surface pro is around $1000. I have that, but I'd prefer not to have to spend all of it. $800 for everything (keyboard, case, stylus) would be my maximum, and even my laptop didn't cost that much. My basis for that number is that a 32 GB iPad costs $600 plus a Zaggfolio (case & keyboard) costs $100. I'd be willing to spend a bit more on a better product, but since I am paying for this myself (unless my father for some reason decides he'll pay; I'm just not going to put him in the position unless he offers since I do have my own money and he paid for my laptop, buying me better than the one I asked for, plus the car, plus college), I'd prefer not to spend more than $800, especially since I need to replace my iPod Touch and get myself a GPS for my car, unless I'd like to get myself completely lost that is.
 
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StarWarsGirl95 said:
Hmm...the surface pro is around $1000. I have that, but I'd prefer not to have to spend all of it. $800 for everything (keyboard, case, stylus) would be my maximum, and even my laptop didn't cost that much. My basis for that number is that a 32 GB iPad costs $600 plus a Zaggfolio (case & keyboard) costs $100. I'd be willing to spend a bit more on a better product, but since I am paying for this myself (unless my father for some reason decides he'll pay; I'm just not going to put him in the position unless he offers since I do have my own money and he paid for my laptop, buying me better than the one I asked for, plus the car, plus college), I'd prefer not to spend more than $800, especially since I need to replace my iPod Touch and get myself a GPS for my car, unless I'd like to get myself completely lost that is.
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From what I have experienced, most tablets are just big phones that don't make calls. The Surface Pro is the first one that I have used that feels like an almost legitimate laptop replacement. If you can I would wait. The sluggish sales should result in a price drop.
 
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Master Yoda said:
From what I have experienced, most tablets are just big phones that don't make calls. The Surface Pro is the first one that I have used that feels like an almost legitimate laptop replacement. If you can I would wait. The sluggish sales should result in a price drop.
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I think this is where people get the wrong device. The iPad (and all the clones) are just like big iPhones, but for the vast majority of users, all they need to do is email, web, social, and some apps - and on a larger screen than their phone. In these cases an iPad gets the job done perfectly. For those that are doing content creation, or really need a specific piece of software and a keyboard, a full on laptop is the way to go. I think this is why Surface is not gaining any traction. A laptop is a better buy for those that need a full machine, and an iPad is a cheaper, and better tablet format machine.
 
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wdwmagic said:
I think this is where people get the wrong device. The iPad (and all the clones) are just like big iPhones, but for the vast majority of users, all they need to do is email, web, social, and some apps - and on a larger screen than their phone. In these cases an iPad gets the job done perfectly. For those that are doing content creation, or really need a specific piece of software and a keyboard, a full on laptop is the way to go. I think this is why Surface is not gaining any traction. A laptop is a better buy for those that need a full machine, and an iPad is a cheaper, and better tablet format machine.
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I would agree. Personally, I just don't care for the tablet form factor if any real typing is involved. That is one of the reasons why I like the Surface Pro. The keyboard cover makes typing some thing longer than a web search or a facebook post much more comfortable and turns it into a usable computer vs a couch computer.
 
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NowInc said:
...and how can an OS thats less than 6 months old be considered a failure?
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A majority of the computer market is not touch screen devices yet regardless of what they want the future to be (desktop tablets never took off and portable tablets are getting there)...forcing the Metro UI on a mouse user is by far the most inconvenient thing ever...additionally, most business machines are on older versions and companies aren't switching over to touch tablets anytime soon either...

but you're right, it's not a failure if you consider developers hating it, win7 users not migrating, and the other nightmare scenarios occurring for the platform as being successful...
 
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wdwstateofmind said:
A majority of the computer market is not touch screen devices yet regardless of what they want the future to be (desktop tablets never took off and portable tablets are getting there)...forcing the Metro UI on a mouse user is by far the most inconvenient thing ever...additionally, most business machines are on older versions and companies aren't switching over to touch tablets anytime soon either...

but you're right, it's not a failure if you consider developers hating it, win7 users not migrating, and the other nightmare scenarios occurring for the platform as being successful...
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Where did I hear that before....Oh yeah. People said the same thing when XP launched. You know, the most successful computer OS in human history.

http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8-is-the-new-xp-7000006095/
 
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Master Yoda said:
Where did I hear that before....Oh yeah. People said the same thing when XP launched. You know, the most successful computer OS in human history.

http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8-is-the-new-xp-7000006095/
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You can look up the sales figures and compare them to Vista and 7, they speak for the commercial failure....
You can google developers opinions on Windows 8 and read for yourself, they will show the development failure...
You can visit any tech forum and get the similar opinion from other nerds as well...

ZDNet also said the Playstation Vita was going to be a success and the Nintendo 3DS a failure at one point...how'd that work out?
 
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wdwstateofmind said:
A majority of the computer market is not touch screen devices yet regardless of what they want the future to be (desktop tablets never took off and portable tablets are getting there)...forcing the Metro UI on a mouse user is by far the most inconvenient thing ever...additionally, most business machines are on older versions and companies aren't switching over to touch tablets anytime soon either...

but you're right, it's not a failure if you consider developers hating it, win7 users not migrating, and the other nightmare scenarios occurring for the platform as being successful...
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Apple has also been "pushing" toward a touch friendly interface for the desktops as well..in fact they did it first with the launchpad they introduced 2 versions ago...and I'm willing to bet its going to be more and more on the "front line" sooner than later on that platform as well...but I guess when they do it, it will be considered "innovative".

The tech industry as a whole move together in similar directions (How many people called "cloud computing" stupid when it was first introduced as an idea by Microsoft, but now its all most companies strive for)..and the touch interface (which I agree..is not really something I feel is intuitive enough for desktops).

Migration to windows 7 took a very long time as well...would you consider that a failure? Personally I have found very few non-biased based negative opinions on it at all. Am I a fan of Windows 8 personally? No. But it's also not geared towards me. OS makers are constantly trying to make things easier for the "everyday user"...sometimes its hard for people to remember that not that many people are actually tech savvy.

Nightmare scenario? A simple google search for "Windows 8 reviews" brings up a very long list of overwhelmingly positive reviews on it, and a big majority of the complaints that people DID bring up, are rumored to be getting fixed in the "blue" update. Smells like a real failure to me!
 
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wdwstateofmind said:
You can look up the sales figures and compare them to Vista and 7, they speak for the commercial failure....
You can google developers opinions on Windows 8 and read for yourself, they will show the development failure...
You can visit any tech forum and get the similar opinion from other nerds as well...

ZDNet also said the Playstation Vita was going to be a success and the Nintendo 3DS a failure at one point...how'd that work out?
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We can both go back and forth quoting this guy and the next until the cows come home. The reality is that unforced take up of a new OS has always been slow especially on a business side. We just went from XP to Windows 7 less than a month ago and we are far from the last to do so in my industry.

The reality is that Windows 8 is a good OS with an egregious marketing error. They should have had a simple option for a desktop/touch screen interface. That being said, I use the Metro interface with a mouse and it works just fine. It took me a week or two to get use to zigging vs zaging, but I now fly through it as easy as I do XP, Vista or 7.
 
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It was Steam being afraid of being muscled out. Microsoft isnt dumb, they KNOW gaming is a HUGE selling point for their OS and wouldn't sabotage themselves like that.
 
StarWarsGirl

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NowInc said:
The comments on here are pretty informative as well...

http://lifehacker.com/5955229/why-does-everyone-hate-windows-8-should-i-upgrade
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I agree, after having owned both a 7 and an 8, I don't understand why it's getting such a bad rep. It's definitely faster than my 7 ever was and it booted up in 30 seconds a few minutes ago. Plus my Windows 7 would crash, and then I would have to run diagnostics to get it working again. The ones at school have this issue as well. The Windows 8 has yet to crash. I also like the Netflix app for streaming and the full screen Chrome. The app store is wonderful. Now instead of searching online for a program, I just look in the app store. It needs to expand, though, as Apple's app store has more apps.

And you can make due without the start bar. It was disconcerting at first, but now it's fine. I pin everything to the taskbar or create a shortcut anyway. Don't really miss it.
 

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