Michael Jackson

[The Empress Lilly]

'The Simpsons' Boss Al Jean Believes Michael Jackson Used Cameo 'to Groom Boys'

"It wasn't just a comedy to him, it was something that was used as a tool," showrunner tells The Daily Beast

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"It wasn't just a comedy to him, it was something that was used as a tool,"

Creepy creepy creepy.

For 28 years these upstanding citizens profited from MJ's episode. Throughout all the court cases, rumors, allegations their eyes remained firmly fixated on their cash register.

Now, after three decades, they pull a by now irrelevant episode to wash their hands clean in public?


Edit: maybe I'm too cynical. Maybe the #metoo era (a blessing!) made them more aware, in which case this is a good thing.
But short of this documentary producing definitive proof (in which case any drunk lawyer needs but play it in court to plunder several hundred million from the Jackson estate), what has changed from 'well-known quite unsettling allegations' for three decades? Apart from public outcry of the week?

 

[BuddyThomas]

 

[21stamps]

But short of this documentary producing definitive proof (in which case any drunk lawyer needs but play it in court to plunder several hundred million from the Jackson kids

Fixed this line.

what has changed from 'well-known quite unsettling allegations' for three decades? Apart from public outcry of the week?

Publicity.

Interestingly, MJ wasn’t even credited for that episode until years later.

 

[xdan0920]

For 28 years these upstanding citizens profited from MJ's episode. Throughout all the court cases, rumors, allegations their eyes remained firmly fixated on their cash register.

Now, after three decades, they pull a by now irrelevant episode to wash their hands clean in public?


Edit: maybe I'm too cynical. Maybe the #metoo era (a blessing!) made them more aware, in which case this is a good thing.
But short of this documentary producing definitive proof (in which case any drunk lawyer needs but play it in court to plunder several hundred million from the Jackson estate), what has changed from 'well-known quite unsettling allegations' for three decades? Apart from public outcry of the week?

The sordid details becoming very public. Just like when an NFL player hits a woman, it gets forgotten in a moment. But if there’s video of it....then we are looking at a completely different life cycle. Same for this MJ stuff. We all knew what he was doing in a general sense, but now the disgusting and sordid details are coming out. That changes things.

 

[21stamps]

The sordid details becoming very public. Just like when an NFL player hits a woman, it gets forgotten in a moment. But if there’s video of it....then we are looking at a completely different life cycle. Same for this MJ stuff. We all knew what he was doing in a general sense, but now the disgusting and sordid details are coming out. That changes things.

Have you considered the alternative, honestly?
Looking at each accuser one by one.
Also by hearing all of the boys who say MJ never touched them? Is it simply coincidental that he chose 4 specific boys and no one else, in all of the children that he was around?
If he was guilty and everything was a trap, why did he leave his home? How the FBI couldn’t find anything in almost 2 decades of investigations? How the people closest to him friends and employees, never saw or suspected any of it?

These questions should be considered. We don’t have “details of what happened” we have 2 men with potential huge financial gains and current lawsuits who agreed to a documentary and gave details about what allegedly happened to them, after years of defending MJ in life and death.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

I'd be interested to know now a little way out from the documentary whether anyone has changed their view on whether they would listen to Michael Jackson's music. Some have said here that they wouldn't have beforehand and others have always liked his music and still like it, but did the documentary actually change anyone's point of view on his music?

 

[LittleBuford]

I'd be interested to know now a little way out from the documentary whether anyone has changed their view on whether they would listen to Michael Jackson's music. Some have said here that they wouldn't have beforehand and others have always liked his music and still like it, but did the documentary actually change anyone's point of view on his music?

The documentary (or more accurately the stuff I read about it before it aired) certainly changed mine. I was never a big fan but used to enjoy his songs when they were played on the radio. Now I’ll switch stations.

 

[21stamps]

I'd be interested to know now a little way out from the documentary whether anyone has changed their view on whether they would listen to Michael Jackson's music. Some have said here that they wouldn't have beforehand and others have always liked his music and still like it, but did the documentary actually change anyone's point of view on his music?

I’m wondering this in general. Amazingly, one of MJ’s albums was back on the charts in November, but I can’t remember which one.

I’ve been playing his music constantly, but I already own the full collection so I’m not adding to sales anyway.

What I most wonder about, is this summer marks the 10 year anniversary of his death /This is It (that never was)... I would think there would be a large tribute given the 10 year mark, but I really don’t know right now. I think enough fans are there, but there’s also a lot of Leaving Neverland believers, so the big question would be- Will current artists/ the industry want to deal with what could be potential criticism?

 

[21stamps]

Wow. Just read this-




I’m assuming he will have to give credit in some way, I would think the Jackson estate would have a valid winnable lawsuit if not. Odd that he does not mention MJ.

 

[21stamps]

Someone sent this video to me..

If you watched Leaving Neverland, you should watch this as well.

 

[Santa Raccoon 77]

I'd be interested to know now a little way out from the documentary whether anyone has changed their view on whether they would listen to Michael Jackson's music. Some have said here that they wouldn't have beforehand and others have always liked his music and still like it, but did the documentary actually change anyone's point of view on his music?

Was never a huge fan before. Spend most time listening to country radio so don't have to change channel

 

[21stamps]

Even Mark Geragos has had enough. There’s so many holes in this movie.

I wonder if anyone is starting to question their opinions formed by a 1 sided and manipulated story. Or are they still following along with the oh so popular ‘don’t question anything’...

 

[xdan0920]

Imagine enjoying a child molesters music so much that you publicly denigrate the victims and not the abuser. Bananaland.

 

[21stamps]

Imagine enjoying a child molesters music so much that you publicly denigrate the victims and not the abuser. Bananaland.

Bananaland is refusing to question something. It’s ok to hear someone out, but allegations = guilt should never be accepted.

You have a son, think of it from all directions.

 

[xdan0920]

Bananaland is refusing to question something. It’s ok to hear someone out, but allegations = guilt should never be accepted.

You have a son, think of it from all directions.

Oh believe me, I am. This man was a sick “person” who at absolute best had inappropriate and disgusting relationships with young boys. Best case scenario, which I don’t believe for a second, he never forced them to touch him sexually, he was still a creep and a major problem. It’s sad that his money and fame shielded him for so long.

 

[21stamps]

Oh believe me, I am. This man was a sick “person” who at absolute best had inappropriate and disgusting relationships with young boys. Best case scenario, which I don’t believe for a second, he never forced them to touch him sexually, he was still a creep and a major problem. It’s sad that his money and fame shielded him for so long.

If you, your wife, any family member, close friend, coworker, etc etc etc is accused of something- Would you want that person to be labeled as guilty, because-“believe all victims”.. it can’t be questioned?

 

[xdan0920]

If you, your wife, any family member, close friend, coworker, etc etc etc is accused of something- Would you want that person to be labeled as guilty, because-“believe all victims”.. it can’t be questioned?

You can’t be convinced. You have an unhealthy love for him. It’s bizarre to me, but I’m gonna go ahead and drop out of this conversation.

 

[21stamps]

You can’t be convinced. You have an unhealthy love for him. It’s bizarre to me, but I’m gonna go ahead and drop out of this conversation.

I have a healthy love for truth. No, I obviously think MJ is innocent.. but bigger, much bigger than him, I’m so tired of watching a society so mindlessly willing to believe whatever trending story they’re told.

 

[draybook]

I just don't see the point in this being unleashed now. Why not when he was alive or right after his death? I'm not taking sides, that's a slippery slope imo. Yeah, dude was weird but I think that Joe pimping him and his brothers out for the almighty dollar and depriving him of a childhood played a part in it.

I won't be watching it simply because it had no bearing on anything to me.

 

[LittleBuford]

A very curious stance to take:

Michael Jackson: Barbra Streisand apologises for abuse remarks

The singer Barbra Streisand posts an apology after saying alleged child abuse "didn't kill" the victims.

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