MI2 Greenlighted! DHS Coaster Too?

imagineer boy

Well-Known Member
As excited as I am about Legacy(I loved the original and got Tron 2.0 for my GBA) and as sure as I am about the Movie's financial success, that doesn't mean it will be a good movie. I also haven't heard of the Tron ride, anyone else to back up the rumors? Not that I don't believe you Kevin, I just don't know.

Yeah, I think Disney should be cautious. The movie could be a huge stink bomb and sweep the razzies for all we know (I hope not, but that could be the case) and the ride would be very awkward.

Oh, I know it may not be a good movie, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't make an awesome ride. The Mummy movies stink but Revenge of the Mummy at Universal owns.

Oh I wouldn't say that. The first two mummy movies are generally well liked (the first one is one of my all time favourites) but the third one is bad though. But the first two justify the ride.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
Oh, and btw, The Wizarding World is going to blow people away. Especially the Forbidden Journey.

I just don't get it. People talk about Wizarding World as if it's going to totally turn the American theme park industry on its ear and rewrite the book on how people spend time in Orlando. I just don't see that happening.

It's a new E Ticket with some new shops, restaurants and snack bars, and a couple of rethemed existing coasters. It might give a noticeable bump to Islands of Adventure's attendance. But it's not going to empty out Epcot or cause tumbleweeds to blow across the pool deck at the Contemporary Resort. If anything, it will slightly impact Sea World, Universal Studios, and smaller I-Drive attractions and dinner theaters as people divide up their non-Disney Orlando days and dollars to devote a day to Islands of Adventure they may not have otherwise.

But it's not going to have any huge impact on WDW. It's one new E Ticket, some new shops, and a rethemed section of an 11 year old theme park that has never done anything quite as good as Disney does. I just don't get what all the fuss is about. :confused:
 

KevinFlynn

New Member
I just don't get it. People talk about Wizarding World as if it's going to totally turn the American theme park industry on its ear and rewrite the book on how people spend time in Orlando. I just don't see that happening.

It's a new E Ticket with some new shops, restaurants and snack bars, and a couple of rethemed existing coasters. It might give a noticeable bump to Islands of Adventure's attendance. But it's not going to empty out Epcot or cause tumbleweeds to blow across the pool deck at the Contemporary Resort. If anything, it will slightly impact Sea World, Universal Studios, and smaller I-Drive attractions and dinner theaters as people divide up their non-Disney Orlando days and dollars to devote a day to Islands of Adventure they may not have otherwise.

But it's not going to have any huge impact on WDW. It's one new E Ticket, some new shops, and a rethemed section of an 11 year old theme park that has never done anything quite as good as Disney does. I just don't get what all the fuss is about. :confused:

Basically everything you said in this post could be said about the FLE. It's just some meet and greets, 1 E-tickets, and some new restaurants. Anything can be dropped down to it's lowest common denominator while ignoring it's strong suits.

The level of detail and immersion in this place will be Disney quality or better, and the Forbidden Journey will be the best ride in Orlando.

I never said it was going to empty Disney, and I don't think anyone with half a brain would think that. But it will draw more people to Uni than FLE will to Disney.

As for your bolded, that's an opinion.;)
 

KevinFlynn

New Member
Yeah, I think Disney should be cautious. The movie could be a huge stink bomb and sweep the razzies for all we know (I hope not, but that could be the case) and the ride would be very awkward.

Oh I wouldn't say that. The first two mummy movies are generally well liked (the first one is one of my all time favourites) but the third one is bad though. But the first two justify the ride.

Nobody knows what Song of the South is, and those that do probably know it's "racist", does that make it an awkward ride? No. It doesn't matter what a ride is based on as long as it's quality.

And yea...all the Mummys stunk.:lol:
 

plutoismyhero

Active Member
I don't think either one of them will make "Pirates" money, but I think they will both be in the $500+ million range (worldwide) which is more than enough to be considered the start of a blockbuster franchise.

I'll bet my week's paycheck both films make more money than MI2 ... and, unlike MI2, they will appeal to kids and adults (particularly teenagers).

I completely agree which in my eyes justifies a tron lightcycle ride. But where would it go. Either in TL, not much room though, OR how about where the WOL pavilion is in EPCOT.....but i dont think they need any more movie based rides in EPCOT
Now PoP im not so sure about.
 

Lee

Adventurer
But it will draw more people to Uni than FLE will to Disney.
Fact. But try to avoid mentioning Wizarding World and FLE in the same post. No need to sully the good name of Potter by bringing up that folly at the MK.

Oh...and a Tron ride? I'll take a differently themed one of these, please.:D
Either one will do, but I prefer the Vekoma...looks a little more intense. Have it zip around Tomorrowland. Thank you.
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_Scar

Active Member
I just don't get it. People talk about Wizarding World as if it's going to totally turn the American theme park industry on its ear and rewrite the book on how people spend time in Orlando. I just don't see that happening.

It's a new E Ticket with some new shops, restaurants and snack bars, and a couple of rethemed existing coasters. It might give a noticeable bump to Islands of Adventure's attendance. But it's not going to empty out Epcot or cause tumbleweeds to blow across the pool deck at the Contemporary Resort. If anything, it will slightly impact Sea World, Universal Studios, and smaller I-Drive attractions and dinner theaters as people divide up their non-Disney Orlando days and dollars to devote a day to Islands of Adventure they may not have otherwise.

But it's not going to have any huge impact on WDW. It's one new E Ticket, some new shops, and a rethemed section of an 11 year old theme park that has never done anything quite as good as Disney does. I just don't get what all the fuss is about. :confused:

Everything thre public has heard about so far from the 'insiders', whatever you might call them, implies this will very well revolutionize theme park attractions. At least how we may judge an "E" ride in the future- at the very least.

On paper it sounds like not much, but it's just so epic on all proportions.

And I really think your Disney fan-dom is getting in the way of your judgement. UC produces Disney-level quality in IoA, a lot of WDW is actually below IoA standards today imo. :/

And as I've said before, Orlando can only benefit from Potter moving in.

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That monstrosity is the so called "Hippogriff" that visitors to the Wizarding World of Harry Potter will have to deal with. I already have an issue with the continuity of the area(Ollivander's in Hogsmede/Triwizard tournament and Hippogriff training happening at the same time) I don't think that 3 rides(Dragon Challenge/Flight of the Hippogriff/Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey) and a few shops that will no doubt be filled with as many Harry Potter logos as they can fit within the confines of the area will hold up to the hype.


It takes some imagination on the guests' part too.

Does it make sense a castle is at the end of a main street in America?

Why is Mickey not proportional to a normal mouse?

I thought they killed Maleficent...?

Why does Tinkerbell fly with a zipline and not with her wings?

Why is that rabbit hopping with a metal stick up its butt?

Everest isn't 200 feet tall!

Just use your imagination!!
 

kingdaniel97

New Member
Everything thre public has heard about so far from the 'insiders', whatever you might call them, implies this will very well revolutionize theme park attractions. At least how we may judge an "E" ride in the future- at the very least.

On paper it sounds like not much, but it's just so epic on all proportions.

And I really think your Disney fan-dom is getting in the way of your judgement. UC produces Disney-level quality in IoA, a lot of WDW is actually below IoA standards today imo. :/

And as I've said before, Orlando can only benefit from Potter moving in.

I'm not saying in terms of WDW to IoA, I mean within the universe it's just disappointing. So many inaccuracies in that little space, I just can't stand that.
Does it make sense a castle is at the end of a main street in America?

That's a transition point, I'm not calling out the giant Jurassic Park gates either, they've explained that well enough.
Why is Mickey not proportional to a normal mouse?

He's a cartoon character, that's a moot point, I'm talking within the story of it's own universe, you can't just stretch out a Hippogriff when it's a one man flyer, two tops.
I thought they killed Maleficent...?

They didn't state what time period it's in, it could easily be before she had died.
Why does Tinkerbell fly with a zipline and not with her wings?

I have 2 reasons for this:
1. It's dark when she goes down the zipline so no one sees it.
2. They explain it away with it being "The line Peter left so Wendy could find her way back to Neverland.
Why is that rabbit hopping with a metal stick up its butt?

It's an animatronic, it's also just one show element as where the Hippogriff is the ride vehicle and the entire point of the ride.
Everest isn't 200 feet tall!

I don't even feel the need to justify this, let's just say that most people will never see the real Everest so they have nothing for scale but their own imaginations. Also, it's made to look off in the distance in comparison to the path you walk by it on, hence why the small "Mountain Village/Shrine" isn't the size of a real building, it's made to look comparable, to scale or whatever.
Just use your imagination!!

I have, and that's because it fits with the story elements. A stretched out Hippogriff doesn't fit with any lore in the Harry Potter universe and considering they can't even pin down a specific time period in which the ride takes place while at the same time including two rides that the content of only existed in separate movies/books. In addition to the Forbidden Journey in which there are scenes from several movies.
 

_Scar

Active Member
I'm not saying in terms of WDW to IoA, I mean within the universe it's just disappointing. So many inaccuracies in that little space, I just can't stand that.

... it's actually very accurate for a themed land.


That's a transition point, I'm not calling out the giant Jurassic Park gates either, they've explained that well enough.

You don't go from MSUSA directly into FLand, do you? I mean, cmon'! WDI clearly messed the MK up with this big castle!


He's a cartoon character, that's a moot point, I'm talking within the story of it's own universe, you can't just stretch out a Hippogriff when it's a one man flyer, two tops.

So is Lotso, but you think he must be proportional too.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're supposed to be riding a test Hippogriff. Hence, the AA hippogriff in queue.


They didn't state what time period it's in, it could easily be before she had died.

Then why is Aurora with the prince 10 feet away doing a meet and greet?! :eek: Time travel?!


I have 2 reasons for this:
1. It's dark when she goes down the zipline so no one sees it.
2. They explain it away with it being "The line Peter left so Wendy could find her way back to Neverland.

I see it perfectly in daylight though and I can see it from certain perspectives when the brightly lit castle is in background.

And why does Tink need to follow a line to get to TLand?

And why is Tinkerbell so large compared to the top of the castle?!

It's an animatronic, it's also just one show element as where the Hippogriff is the ride vehicle and the entire point of the ride.

The entire point of Splash Mountain is the story... and the rabbit is just a robot on a stick?! :eek: OMG


I don't even feel the need to justify this, let's just say that most people will never see the real Everest so they have nothing for scale but their own imaginations. Also, it's made to look off in the distance in comparison to the path you walk by it on, hence why the small "Mountain Village/Shrine" isn't the size of a real building, it's made to look comparable, to scale or whatever.

What is this imagination you speak of?!!?!


I have, and that's because it fits with the story elements. A stretched out Hippogriff doesn't fit with any lore in the Harry Potter universe and considering they can't even pin down a specific time period in which the ride takes place while at the same time including two rides that the content of only existed in separate movies/books. In addition to the Forbidden Journey in which there are scenes from several movies.


Explained the hippogriff above. And you travel by, what is it, floo powder? in the actual ride from scene to scene. Perfectly explained.
 

kingdaniel97

New Member
Okay, there's obviously a lot of sarcasm within this so I'll just answer the serious ones.

... it's actually very accurate for a themed land.
That's a personal scale IMO, most Disney locations don't presume that you're out of the Magic Kingdom, just in different areas where they've teleported different things from varying time periods into their parks.

The guys at IoA are putting you in at a specific place, near Hogsmede village right outside of Hogwarts(which actually requires a cart ride to get to in the books but for access reasons/novelty wearing off I can easily see why they wouldn't do that) and then they smack a location from a completely different place inside of Hogsmede. They also have 3 rides that conflict with each other timeline wise, and one conflicting with itself multiple times.

You don't go from MSUSA directly into FLand, do you? I mean, cmon'! WDI clearly messed the MK up with this big castle!
Obviously sarcasm, doesn't really warrant a response.

So is Lotso, but you think he must be proportional too.
I think Lotso should be proportional to his character, not a real teddy bear, Mickey's size in comparison to a normal mouse has nothing to do with a cartoon to costume scale of proportions.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're supposed to be riding a test Hippogriff. Hence, the AA hippogriff in queue.
I don't know how the heck you could make a "test" hippogriff as wizards can't make living creatures and don't really work with technology, this is also the first I've heard of the "test" idea, they certainly haven't made it clear enough considering the ride vehicle looks like it's made of straw from the concept art.




Then why is Aurora with the prince 10 feet away doing a meet and greet?! :eek: Time travel?!
Am I saying my standards are perfect? No, I'm just saying that there's plenty of ways they can explain it away by being within the Disney metaverse(Kingdom Keepers/Hearts, she could've escaped from her world) the movie ends with just her robe, not her. Either way Disney doesn't claim to be factually accurate in regards to their franchises on everything anywhere in the park. IoA is claiming to put you at a specific place and are failing to place things where they belong.




I see it perfectly in daylight though and I can see it from certain perspectives when the brightly lit castle is in background.
During the daylight is when they say it's the line, they basically have that covered for the full day.

And why does Tink need to follow a line to get to TLand?
She isn't following it to TL, it's to Neverland, but if the line leads to Neverland then it would make sense that she goes the same way as it.

And why is Tinkerbell so large compared to the top of the castle?!
Sarcasm, forced perspective can only do so much.



The entire point of Splash Mountain is the story... and the rabbit is just a robot on a stick?! :eek: OMG
Sarcasm but this will get an answer anyway because I feel you're missing my point. That one Brer Rabbit animatronic is in no way the major focus of the entire ride, the character it represents is but it's not just the same animatronic across the whole ride, it's different ones. It was also the only way short of real magic to have a character float.




What is this imagination you speak of?!!?!
Obviously sarcasm.





Explained the hippogriff above. And you travel by, what is it, floo powder? in the actual ride from scene to scene. Perfectly explained.
Floo powder travels across space, not time. I've yet to see how they explain it but unless you travel in and out of the pensive between memories I don't see it being a smooth factual transition.
 

_Scar

Active Member
Practically my whole post was sarcasm. Obviously nothing perfectly fits. It takes your imagination to make it work- and maybe that just does not work for you.

I can only do so much as to make you realize how overcritical you're being. :brick:

And I don't read Potter, but I've yet to hear the ride does not make sense from anybody so far working on the ride. I'd have high hopes rather than worrying about it.
 

mastif

New Member
Work would have to start really soon for the coaster to be open by 2012. I really hope you're right, but I think it's more wishful thinking than anything...

Good news about Monsters, Inc. 2, though!

not really. Depends on how lazy they are. Disney land opened in less than a year.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
not really. Depends on how lazy they are. Disney land opened in less than a year.
Yeah, at a fraction of what it is today and with around 50% of the park not fully running. Some would say it took another 4 years to complete it.

Better to think of EPCOT Center for how long things take. 3 years from ground breaking to opening and it was still partially complete.
 

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