metal detector installation

[EOD K9]

Will your views change once it becomes mandatory for everyone to walk through before entering the park?

I for one, would have no problems with everyone getting screened at the parks. If all guests were screened properly, I say bring it.

 

[Texas84]

Agree, just screen everyone. Get it over with.

Any word on more permanent screening?

 

[DisneyFans4Life]

I for one, would have no problems with everyone getting screened at the parks. If all guests were screened properly, I say bring it.

This is a tough one because people's definition of "properly" vary greatly across the board. No matter what the process turns into, there will always be people who don't agree with it, feel like their privacy is being invaded, etc. There are things that bother me, but walking through a metal detector at Disney just doesn't make the list for me.

 

[Matt_Black]

Such inequities have long since been addressed and corrected by Lawmakers and referring to them now is throwing stones at people who've been dead for centuries.
Lets try to be a little more up to date with our criticisms.

If you're throwing out lines from the Founding Fathers, don't just pick and choose. Jefferson suggested that it was forty years, TOPS, before a Constitution should be changed.

 

[EOD K9]

This is a tough one because people's definition of "properly" vary greatly across the board. No matter what the process turns into, there will always be people who don't agree with it, feel like their privacy is being invaded, etc. There are things that bother me, but walking through a metal detector at Disney just doesn't make the list for me.

Good point. However, with everyone being screened, there is less of a chance of something getting in coupled with the fact there is no randomness anymore. That should mitigate the "why me" crowd. The "why me" crowd spans all different types. As mentioned, I was "selected" last week. Why me? I don't look like a terrorist. Why someone else?...because he does? If everyone gets screened it is fairer.

 

[draybook]

Will your views change once it becomes mandatory for everyone to walk through before entering the park?

No, it will still be a waste and non productive.

 

[DisneyFans4Life]

Good point. However, with everyone being screened, there is less of a chance of something getting in coupled with the fact there is no randomness anymore. That should mitigate the "why me" crowd. The "why me" crowd spans all different types. As mentioned, I was "selected" last week. Why me? I don't look like a terrorist. Why someone else?...because he does? If everyone gets screened it is fairer.

Totally agree with you.

 

[DisneyFans4Life]

No, it will still be a waste and non productive.

That is your opinion. If the process catches just one person trying to sneak something in, or prevents a tragedy...I'm for it.

 

[skimbob]

Our safety bubble has popped. Since 9/11 our safe little world is no longer safe. I welcome being checked as long as everyone is checked. I welcome being checked when I run Disney races as well. We all need to keep a sharp eye out because as long as there are those who wish to kill and or injure we need to be vigilant.

 

[Matt_Black]

Sneaking something in does not equate to wanting to use said item against others.

It's not a question of want; accidents happen. Guns can be lost or stolen. Or, God help us, sometimes things happen before all the details are clear.

 

[Vaughn4380]

Just to throw some fuel on this fire: For the pro-metal detector crowd, how do you expect Disney to stop these from coming in?

That would be a knife made out of Zytel (think hard plastic used to make M16 stocks). Completely undetectable by metal detectors. Should we start strip searches for everyone entering the park? I mean, if it saves just one person from being stabbed it is worth it right?

 

[UncleMike101]

If you're throwing out lines from the Founding Fathers, don't just pick and choose. Jefferson suggested that it was forty years, TOPS, before a Constitution should be changed.

I didn't throw out any lines.
I stated a fact concerning the Founding Fathers.
The issue today, as I see it. is that the Constitution was written in such a manner that it is, for all intents and purposes, as applicable even today as it was when written.
The Preamble says it very well:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America
It doesn't exclude any group, race, or ethnicity from it's benefits.
It simply says "We the People".
As I stated quite clearly, inadequacies in the Constitution have been addressed and corrected and I'm sure that more changes will be made in the future.
History is a marvelous tool but we should not become so fixated by the mores of another time that we forget that we've overcome a great deal of those outdated thoughts and practices.

 

[UncleMike101]

Just to throw some fuel on this fire: For the pro-metal detector crowd, how do you expect Disney to stop these from coming in?

That would be a knife made out of Zytel (think hard plastic used to make M16 stocks). Completely undetectable by metal detectors. Should we start strip searches for everyone entering the park? I mean, if it saves just one person from being stabbed it is worth it right?

The problem is, that in order to be certain that people are disarmed, the Government, or whomever insists on disarmament, will have to remove both of our arms.
People are murdered every day by beating, kicking, and strangulation.
Any person on the planet can be killed with a Bic pen, a pencil, a glass bottle, a rock, a stick, or almost anything that can be picked up by human hands.
I'm never unarmed as long as I have at least one of them attached to my torso.

 

[Vaughn4380]

The problem is, that in order to be certain that people are disarmed, the Government, or whomever insists on disarmament, will have to remove both of our arms.

Well I think they are allowed to do that if they wanted to, the Bill of Rights only protects bear arms.

 

[EOD K9]

For the crowd of people that say, what happens if something happens in the pre-screening area? Well, let us look at the incident at the US Capitol on Monday. The subject brandished his weapon in the Visitor's Center, away from the building. It could have been much worse right there, but the instruments in place kept the threat away and out. I see it similar at the mags. Somebody does something dastardly at the screening site, but said evil doer doesn't get in to the parks. That's the idea behind the screening. While I agree you can only push screening back so far, the point is to keep the threat out of the physical boundaries. There is no perfect situation unfortunately.

 

[UncleMike101]

Well I think they are allowed to do that if they wanted to, the Bill of Rights only protects bear arms.

Ahaaa!!!!
Another inadequacy that needs to be addressed.
However.
I've wondered many times if Jefferson may not have been dyslexic and actually meant to protect the right to "Keep and arm bears".

 

[UncleMike101]

For the crowd of people that say, what happens if something happens in the pre-screening area? Well, let us look at the incident at the US Capitol on Monday. The subject brandished his weapon in the Visitor's Center, away from the building. It could have been much worse right there, but the instruments in place kept the threat away and out. I see it similar at the mags. Somebody does something dastardly at the screening site, but said evil doer doesn't get in to the parks. That's the idea behind the screening. While I agree you can only push screening back so far, the point is to keep the threat out of the physical boundaries. There is no perfect situation unfortunately.

Personally I'd like to see more armed Law Enforcement personnel at the bag check areas.
To use a LEO analogy.
Nothing protects a donut shop better than a dozen Officers inside.

 

[EOD K9]

You can have all the x-rays and magnetometers you want, you still need the trained people there to quickly deal with a problem once encountered.

 

[UncleMike101]

There not enough trained people in the world to protect all of the people and public places just in the USA, let alone the rest of the world. And, I have no desire to live in a world where everywhere I go I feel like I am in a militarized zone. That level of "protection" would definitely keep me from going to WDW, sporting events, etc. It would be time to get out of the city and go live off the land. When we feel we need that type of protection, the terrorists have won - we have lost our freedom.

I'm sorry to say it but the terrorists have won.
Otherwise entering Disney would be as easy as it was when the parks first opened.
We can only be rid of their influence when we are totally rid of them.
And I mean totally and with all finality.

 

[dstrawn9889]

I'm sorry to say it but the terrorists have won.
Otherwise entering Disney would be as easy as it was when the parks first opened.
We can only be rid of their influence when we are totally rid of them.
And I mean totally and with all finality.

no such thing, totally rid... anytime someone has an absolute belief that they have to push onto someone else, there will be someone that disagrees, and the more that disagree the more likely one or more from that number will turn to violence to remove the instigator.