metal detector installation

[UncleMike101]

Constitutionally, by Federal Statute, I am required to carry my firearm everywhere in the United States. Disney, as a private entity, tells me I cannot carry in their parks. That is their rule. If I don't like it, I either don't go, or I don't carry.

I carry nationwide under HR 218 but not inside Disney.
It's their park, their rules, and I'm just there to have fun.

As I like to say, "He who lives by the sword gets shot by those who don't".

Amen brother.........

 

[EOD K9]

I carry nationwide under HR 218 but not inside Disney.
It's their park, their rules, and I'm just there to have fun.


Amen brother.........

I like 218, but I am under Title 2.

 

[ElvisMickey]

I mentioned this in another thread, but every time I hit the parks solo, they nail me to walk through. Random...right.

 

[UncleMike101]

I like 218, but I am under Title 2.

HR 218 is good for me.
Sort of like, "It's OK to, but you don't have to".

 

[halltd]

I mentioned this in another thread, but every time I hit the parks solo, they nail me to walk through. Random...right.

My family visits from out of state semi-regularly and I meet up with them every day they're in the parks after I finish work. Both weeks they've visited this year I've been randomly selected to be checked when I walked into the parks by myself around 6:00pm. Ten days, ten random checks. When I went with them on weekends as a group, none of us were ever selected. Eight days, zero checks. Random, indeed! Didn't matter what park.

 

[UncleMike101]

My family visits from out of state semi-regularly and I meet up with them every day they're in the parks after I finish work. Both weeks they've visited this year I've been randomly selected to be checked when I walked into the parks by myself around 6:00pm. Ten days, ten random checks. When I went with them on weekends as a group, none of us were ever selected. Eight days, zero checks. Random, indeed! Didn't matter what park.

Apparently when you're alone you have that, "I've got a bomb in my underwear" look.

 

[ElvisMickey]

My family visits from out of state semi-regularly and I meet up with them every day they're in the parks after I finish work. Both weeks they've visited this year I've been randomly selected to be checked when I walked into the parks by myself around 6:00pm. Ten days, ten random checks. When I went with them on weekends as a group, none of us were ever selected. Eight days, zero checks. Random, indeed! Didn't matter what park.

Exactly! First I thought it was my imagination because how could they tell that I'm solo with a zillion people around? But it's happened enough that it's no longer a coincidence.

 

[draybook]

I agree with this. I was selected twice last week and my wife was selected once. You don't have to take off your shoes or belt...just pull out keys and cell phone and walk right on in. By the time my wife got her bag and the diaper bag put back on the stroller...I was already through.

When you guys get to the point that you're always "randomly" selected, maybe you'll understand why some folks(including me) get ticked about it. I already get selected for enhanced screening both ways when we fly there.

Besides, the attitude of "just go with it" can be a dangerous thing. Oh yeah, I remember someone here saying that this screening is comparable to the TSA in keeping us safe. Am I the only one that saw the news bit about the lady completely bypassing the TSA without so much as an ID? Yup, makes me feel all fuzzy and warm inside.....

 

[NelleBelle]

I think that if they are going to go the trouble of having metal detectors, they should have the X-ray machines for the bags (like on the ships--it didn't take any more time to go through security to reboard the cruise ship)...then everyone goes through and then no one is "randomly" selected or "profiled".

 

[DManRightHere]

These so-called security measures are not stopping any acts of violence. All they do is deprive US Citizens of their Constitutional Rights. And that's probably as far as I can comment without breaching the no-politics rule.

I didn't realize there were so many violent attacks at Disney World.

I'm guessing you were being sarcastic, and not serious. If not, ask a different question: how many violent attacks happened at WDW before these measures were put in place and how have these measures reduced that number?

And, don't try to quote numbers like the silly TSA stats about how many "weapons" they confiscated. That stat does not tell the real story. Carrying a weapon is not equal to using that weapon in an attack. For example: I was given a gold pocket knife / cash clip as a gift. I used to be able to carry my cash onto a plane with that. Now, I cannot. Did the new restrictions prevent any violent acts? No. It just means I now have a valuable gift that sits in a drawer, largely forgotten, instead of being used and enjoyed, and reminding me of why it was given.

You said "These so-called security measures are not stopping any acts of violence". What acts of violence have happened on Disney property? Is the security measures you speak of the metal detectors, or any type of security measure (bag searches, security)?

I was hoping you would provide proof. What would you use for statistics? If carrying a weapon is not equal to using a weapon (which makes perfect sense) there is nothing to prove there was a potential act of violence unless there is proof of premeditated violence. Wouldn't the only info available be how many weapons were prevented from entering an area?

 

[DManRightHere]

OK... since you want to nit-pick, I will rephrase. These so-called security measures (all inclusive) are not able to prevent an act of violence by someone who is determined to commit such an act. There are too many ways to thwart this system for it to be effective, many of which have already been shared on this board, so I won't repeat those. Happy?

I am just making discussion here. I'll go back to my original phrase. I guess it's better than nothing.

 

[UncleMike101]

You said "These so-called security measures are not stopping any acts of violence". What acts of violence have happened on Disney property? Is the security measures you speak of the metal detectors, or any type of security measure (bag searches, security)?

I was hoping you would provide proof. What would you use for statistics? If carrying a weapon is not equal to using a weapon (which makes perfect sense) there is nothing to prove there was a potential act of violence unless there is proof of premeditated violence. Wouldn't the only info available be how many weapons were prevented from entering an area?

Laws and measures restricting the presence of weapons are wholly ineffective against criminals.
You should look up the numbers and types of weapons confiscated in prisons every year.
Only law abiding people give up their weapons when told to do so.
Witness that two European nations with very limited allowable ownership of firearms and explosives, France and Belgium, have recently suffered mass murders by means of firearms and illegal explosive devices, at the hands of determined terrorists.
I can assure you that a determined criminal will totally, and with confidence that those targeted are unarmed, disregard all weapon prohibitions in order to carry out their plans.
I can also say from personal experience that Law Enforcement will do everything in their power to protect you.
The problem is that they can't stand on every street corner waiting on a call for help.

 

[DManRightHere]

Laws and measures restricting the presence of weapons are wholly ineffective against criminals.
You should look up the numbers and types of weapons confiscated in prisons every year.
Only law abiding people give up their weapons when told to do so.
Witness that two European nations with very limited allowable ownership of firearms and explosives, France and Belgium, have recently suffered mass murders by means of firearms and illegal explosive devices, at the hands of determined terrorists.
I can assure you that a determined criminal will totally, and with confidence that those targeted are unarmed, disregard all weapon prohibitions in order to carry out their plans.
I can also say from personal experience that Law Enforcement will do everything in their power to protect you.
The problem is that they can't stand on every street corner waiting on a call for help.

People can have their guns, but private and government entities should have a right to prohibit them if they want to.

I agree with you to an extent. Criminals will not give up their weapons, but the US can not say the heck with it, let everyone have their guns (and I'm not saying no one should have guns) and open the borders and not worry about it.

Tragic as the Paris incident was, Europe does seem to have a bit less violent crimes than the US. Is it gun control? No idea, could be a whole slew of factors, or skewed numbers.

 

[DisneyFans4Life]

When you guys get to the point that you're always "randomly" selected, maybe you'll understand why some folks(including me) get ticked about it. I already get selected for enhanced screening both ways when we fly there.

Besides, the attitude of "just go with it" can be a dangerous thing. Oh yeah, I remember someone here saying that this screening is comparable to the TSA in keeping us safe. Am I the only one that saw the news bit about the lady completely bypassing the TSA without so much as an ID? Yup, makes me feel all fuzzy and warm inside.....

I would gladly walk through it everytime I go and not complain. To me...it's not a big deal to take a couple things out of my pocket, walk through, and then be on my way. Random or not...being selected to walk through is not something I would let bother me while at Disney.

 

[draybook]

I would gladly walk through it everytime I go and not complain. To me...it's not a big deal to take a couple things out of my pocket, walk through, and then be on my way. Random or not...being selected to walk through is not something I would let bother me while at Disney.

It's not just Disney. Like I said, if you ever join us in the "Profile Club", you'll get tired of it.

 

[UncleMike101]

People can have their guns, but private and government entities should have a right to prohibit them if they want to.

I agree with you to an extent. Criminals will not give up their weapons, but the US can not say the heck with it, let everyone have their guns (and I'm not saying no one should have guns) and open the borders and not worry about it.

Tragic as the Paris incident was, Europe does seem to have a bit less violent crimes than the US. Is it gun control? No idea, could be a whole slew of factors, or skewed numbers.

They do.
And I, for one, obey those restrictions to the extent that I am required to do so under the Law.
My issue is that while good, law abiding Citizens disarm them selves whenever told to do so, criminals not only don't disarm, but they take advantage of the fact that their victims are unarmed.
The Founding Fathers were big on letting Americans have personal control of their lives.
That's still a good idea.

 

[Matt_Black]

That is one very slippery slope you're heading towards, stating that private and government entities should be able to prohibit something that is guaranteed in the US Constitution. Forum rules prohibit us from really going any further in this discussion, but I would ask you to consider (offline - not in this forum) how this would apply to some of the hot social topics of the day.

No, no. Technically, the Constitution allows me to swear like a sailor. However, if I did that at work, my employers can fire me if they don't like it. Or to put it a different way- are restaurants that require a dress code infringing on your First Amendment rights? No, they are not.

 

[Matt_Black]

The Founding Fathers were big on letting Americans have personal control of their lives.

Yeah, if you were a white, land-owning male.

 

[UncleMike101]

Yeah, if you were a white, land-owning male.

Such inequities have long since been addressed and corrected by Lawmakers and referring to them now is throwing stones at people who've been dead for centuries.
Lets try to be a little more up to date with our criticisms.

 

[DisneyFans4Life]

It's not just Disney. Like I said, if you ever join us in the "Profile Club", you'll get tired of it.

Will your views change once it becomes mandatory for everyone to walk through before entering the park?